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DON'T[I. ROLL CALL]
UH, MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? CHAIRPERSON.BOARD MEMBER KATE STARR IS ABSENT.
VILLAGE ATTORNEY LINDA WHITEHEAD.
HERE BUILDING INSPECTOR CHARLES MOZZI HERE.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
YOU.UM, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A QUORUM FOR THE NOVEMBER UH MINUTES, DO I HAVE A MOTION OR ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE NOVEMBER MINUTES? YES, MA'AM.
ACTUALLY READ THE ENTIRE MINUTES ON, UH, PAGE 22.
IT SAYS THAT I SAID THAT I LIVE AT 7 25 BROADWAY.
SO I THINK IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOMEONE ELSE THAT SAID THAT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE THERE?
SO OTHER THAN THAT CHANGE, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED.
AND I'LL ABSTAIN FROM THAT VOTE 'CAUSE I WASN'T ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME.
UH, WE CAN'T DO THE DECEMBER, UH, MINUTES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM.
[III. OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS]
UH, JUST FOR A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE THREE ITEMS LISTED ON OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, THE, UH, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, ONE, UH, NUMBER ONE WASHINGTON, UH, STREET IS BEING DEFERRED, AND, UH, TWO FULTON WILL BE DEFERRED.UM, SO THE ONLY THING WE HAVE ON TONIGHT IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UH, VIEW PRESERVATION AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
NO, JUST SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST SUBDIVISION.
JUST SUBDIVISION FOR, UM, FOR SHELDON.
I'M SORRY, I'M READING, I'M, MY MOUTH IS MOVING AND I'M READING THE WRONG THING.
UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? AND, UM, SORRY, RICHARD, I HAVE BEEN RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS, SO OKAY.
FOR REASONS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
SO I'LL MOVE THERE WHILE THIS IS GOING ON, AND JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW BOARD MEMBER AND WE ARE DOWN TO A MINIMUM QUORUM, COULD YOU JUST GIVE A REAL BRIEF SUMMARY? YOU BE OF WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US? I WASN'T SURE I'D BE PLUGGING IN TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS NEW INFORMATION SUBMITTED, SO YES.
DO I NEED TO READ THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, BLOCK AND LOT AND, OKAY, GOOD.
UH, I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH JACOBS CHANG ARCHITECTURE.
UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT, UM, SOME FOLLOW UP, UM, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE, BY THE VILLAGE ENGINEER AND PLANNING CONSULTANT.
AND, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO MAYBE TAKE A BRIEF STEP BACK FOR THE NEW MEMBERS.
UM, THE PROPERTY, THIS IS A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT A BUILDING APPLICATION.
UM, AND WE'RE REQUESTING THE SUBDIVISION OF A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY IN AN R 10.
THE CURRENT DIMENSIONS OF THE PROPERTY ARE 160 FEET BY 125 FEET, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SUBDIVIDED IN HALF TO HAVE 80 FEET AND 80 FEET BY 1 25 FOR TWO PARCELS.
SO THIS IS AN, THIS, UH, SITE PLAN SHOWS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, MIN TURN, WHICH IS AN UPHILL STREET, UH, RUNNING EAST, WEST AND SHELDON PLACE, WHICH IS A, UH, A DEAD END STREET, UH, RUNNING, UH, SOUTH, UH, NORTH SOUTH.
THE HOUSE SITS, UH, BUILT IN 1920S WAS, UH, OR 1920S MAYBE, MAYBE EARLIER.
UH, AND ANYWAY, SITS SITS ON THE HILLSIDE THERE.
UH, THERE'S A, THIS IS THE, THE HOUSE HERE.
THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT'S CUT IN A LONG MID TURN, AND THEN AN, UH, SINGLE CAR GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT'S SORT OF UP ON THE, UH, THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH A SMALL DRIVEWAY HERE AS WELL.
OTHERWISE, THE, THE PARCEL THAT IS, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATION IS DOWN ON THE SOUTH END.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE AREA THAT WE ARE HOPING TO SUBDIVIDE, UM, WITH A PROPOSAL THAT LOOKS SOMEWHAT LIKE THIS.
SO, UH, EXISTING PROPERTY WOULD HAVE, UH, AN 80 FOOT WIDTH, 125 EAST WEST, 80 FEET, UH, TO THE NORTH SOUTH.
AND THEN THE NEW PROPERTY WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO THAT, UH, JUST TO
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THE SOUTH OF IT.UH, SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE CREATED WITH THIS SUBDIVISION, UM, WE HAVE TWO NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS BEING CREATED ON THE EXISTING LOT.
UH, ONE IS, UH, EXISTING NON-CON WELL, NOW IT'S COME, THAT'S COMING OFF.
SO THEN, THEN THE, THE, THE NON-CONFORMING CONDITION THAT'S BEING CREATED IS THIS PORTION OF AN ADDITION THAT WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES.
UH, IT WAS A LITTLE TWO STORY ADDITION OFF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT IS NOW, THE, THE CURRENT, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENT WOULD BE 12 FEET, UH, FROM, FROM THE SIDE YARD.
AND THIS ONE IS CURRENTLY AT ABOUT SEVEN FOOT ONE INCH, SO JUST UNDER FIVE FEET OF NONCONFORMANCE.
AND THEN THE NEW PROPOSAL, WHICH IS THIS KIND OF DARKER GRAY, IS, UH, WITHIN THIS PROPERTY SETBACKS, IT MAXES OUT THE FAR.
UH, SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY PROBLEM WITH BUILDING ON THE LOT, UH, AND, UH, A DRIVEWAY COMING IN FROM THE STREET UNDER THE HOUSE, UH, AND A TWO STORY, UH, HOUSE ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE PROPERTY THERE WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING FOR THE, THE QUOTE UNQUOTE NEW PROPERTY IS NOT A SITE PLAN, BUT JUST A, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
UH, THAT CAN BE THEN EVALUATED.
SO IN, IN EVALUATING, UH, THE, UH, THE MERITS OF A SUBDIVISION, THE VILLAGE ASKS FOR, UM, TO, FOR US TO SORT OF PROPOSE A, A HYPOTHETICAL OR A SPECULATIVE BUILDING THAT, THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THE ZONING CODE TO MAKE SURE IT'S BUILDABLE.
SO WE OF COURSE MAXED IT OUT TO, UH, TO SHOW THAT COMPLIANCE.
UM, PATRICK, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, SUMMARIZE THE, UM, UH, THE ENGINEERS AND YOUR COMMENTS SO THE, THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND? MIKE, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES YOU MADE? UH, YEAH, I HAPPY TO.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW LITTLE, UM, REQUESTS FROM, UH, HAN ENGINEERING.
UM, WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE ON OUR REVISION SHEETS WITH BUBBLES.
MOST OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH JUST CLARIFYING SOME OF THE STORM, UH, STORMWATER ELEVATION SPOTS, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR CLEAN OUTS ALONG THE, THE PIPES.
UH, I THINK THERE WAS AN ENTRYWAY INTO THE SITE FOR A POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT'S NOT BEING APPLIED FOR, UH, AND A STAGING AREA FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THAT IS NOT BEING UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THE MOMENT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ROOM FOR ALL OF THAT, UM, WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS, THE NEW SUBDIVISION.
SO THE PROJECT, AS YOU KNOW, HAS EVOLVED.
UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ISSUES RELATED TO THE THEORETICAL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU MENTIONED BEFORE OF THE SECOND LOT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS DOCUMENTED HOW HE WOULD ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE DRIVEWAY ACCESS GRADING AND SO FORTH.
SO ALL OF THAT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
YOU GOT A MEMO, UH, THIS AFTERNOON FROM, FROM DOUG HAHN, WHICH SUMMARIZED WHAT MIKE JUST INDICATED.
THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, NOTHING OF WHICH WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM TAKING THE NEXT STEP IN THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IS REFERRING IT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE VARIANCE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT DESCRIBED A FEW MINUTES AGO.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE HAN MEMO WAS IT SAID THAT BASED ON THE PERKS AND THE INFORMATION PROVIDED THAT THE DRAINAGE WORKED CAN RIGHT, AND THAT THE, THE OTHER ITEMS WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT, UH, SITE PLAN BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT OF BUILDINGS CORRECT.
SO THE WAY IT WORKS, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT DO SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY GET A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IN FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, THEY REVIEW THE DRAINAGE, THE ACTUAL DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THE ACTUAL HOUSE, UM, TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS IN THIS CASE.
UM, THERE IS STEEP SLOPES, EXCUSE ME.
SO, UM, TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE THE STEEP SLOPES APPLICATION.
NOW FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, THE WORST CASE HOUSE, UM, IT'S POSSIBLE WHEN AN ACTUAL HOUSE COMES IN, IT MIGHT HAVE LESS STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE.
UM, BUT WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND THAT IT'S, YOU'RE CREATING THIS LOT, SO YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THE IMPACTS COULD BE OF BUILDING ON THIS LOT.
SO BY THEM SHOWING US, AND THE HOUSE IS THE MAXIMUM BECAUSE IT, UM, MAXIMIZES THE FAR, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT DRIVES THE, THE SIZE AND ALSO THE SETBACKS.
SO THIS, THIS IS SORT OF THE BIGGEST THING THAT COULD BE BUILT RIGHT ON THAT LOT.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT IS REMEMBER, YOU HAVE TWO APPROVALS TO CONSIDER.
NOT ONLY THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, BUT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH SEEKER.
SO THAT SEEKER APPROVAL REQUIRES YOU TO ASSESS WHETHER THERE'LL BE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THOSE ISSUES.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE PRESSED TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE ENGINEERING ISSUES THEORETICALLY ADDRESSED.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT IT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE PROPERTY, LINDA, IS THE STEEP SLOPES ADDRESSED AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE AS WELL.
SO IF, IF THE, UM, WE CAN DO THIS A COUPLE OF WAYS.
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CAN GRANT A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT FOR WHAT'S BEING SHOWN MM-HMMUM, YOU COULD ASK THEM TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING A LITTLE SMALLER THAT MIGHT REDUCE IT.
AND, AND THEN, BUT IF THEY COME IN WITH A HOUSE, ULTIMATELY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT THAT HAS DIFFERENT STEEP SLOPES, DISTURBANCE, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT.
THE BUILD, THE BUILD, THE STEEP SLOPES PERMIT IS NOT ADMINISTRATIVE, IT'S THROUGH THIS BOARD.
MY ADVICE TO THE APPLICANT IS WHEN, YOU KNOW IF AND WHEN YOU HAVE A REAL BUILDING, THAT'S THE TIME TO COME BACK FOR, UH, THIS BOARD AND, AND THE VILLAGE TO REVIEW IT.
IS THAT OKAY? I I THINK WE WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY SAY, IF YOU WANNA GRANT THE WORST CASE, STEEP SLOPES PERMIT, YOU CAN, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK ANYHOW.
UH, IF NOT, IF IT'S LESS, IF IT'S WITHIN, IF IT SHRINK WRAPPED, RIGHT.
WELL PUT, IF IT'S SHRINK WRAPPED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO.
YOU KNOW, OR THE OTHER TERMINOLOGY, IT'S WITHIN SCOPE.
I MEAN, ON THE, ON THE UPSIDE, THERE'S, THERE'S ALMOST NO OTHER WAY TO BUILD ON THIS WITHOUT, UM, THIS STEEP SLOPES DISTURBANCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION MAYBE OF A LITTLE BIT OF A, WE, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK ON OUR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
SO IF THE HOUSE, A FUTURE HOUSE WERE TO MEET THAT SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, THE BANDING OF THE HILLSIDE, JUST THE OUTCOME WOULD BE MORE STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE.
THIS IS JUST FROM LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GIVEN US ALL THE INFORMATION NOW ON WHERE THE STEEP SLOPES ARE IN THE AREAS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU SEE IT SORT OF RUNS ACROSS THE WHOLE LOT.
SO YOU REALLY CAN'T BUILD ON THIS LOT WITHOUT, YOU CAN'T AVOID THE STEEP SLOPED DISTURBANCE.
HAS THE ZONING BOARD OPINED ON THIS YET? NO, NOT YET.
UM, I THINK THE PLAN IS TO GO IN FEBRUARY.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET A REFERRAL YEAH.
UH, MR. JACOBS, WOULD YOU MIND, SINCE I'M JUST KIND OF PLAYING CATCH UP A BIT, JUST TO DESCRIBE THE STEEP SLOPES ISSUE OR, OR HOW YOU SEE THE IMPACT? SURE, YEAH.
UM, JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE REFERENCE, JUST RUN THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK, UH, AN EARLY PHOTOGRAPH FROM SHELDON STREET, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE, THE, THE HILLSIDE JUST SORT OF TERRACES UP FROM THE STREET.
UH, THIS IS ON THE MID TURN SIDE, SO NOT, THIS IS THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN THIS IS ACROSS THAT SOUTH END.
AND YOU CAN SEE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT STREET KIND OF PITCHES UP, IT FLATTENS OUT, IT PITCHES UP, IT FLATTENS OUT.
IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN MANIPULATED SINCE AT SOME POINT IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO HAVE THESE LEVEL TERRACES.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S REMAINING TODAY.
SO THAT'S THE SLOPES WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH.
UM, AND THOSE LITTLE SORT OF PITCHED AREAS, THE SLOPED AREAS ARE THE AREAS OF CONSIDERATION.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THE, UM, THE BANDING HERE, THE, THE DARK GRAY AREAS ARE THOSE SLOPES, AND THE WHITE AREAS ARE THE FLAT AREA, UH, OR FLAT-ISH AREA.
UM, AND IF I ZOOM IN HERE A LITTLE BIT, SORRY.
UH, IF WE LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING SORT OF EVALUATED, UH, FOR SLOPES THAT ARE IN EXCESS OF 25%, WHICH IS OUR STEEPEST GRADE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT MAP, UM, THE DISTURBANCE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL PROPOSAL WOULD BE ABOUT 40.9%, UM, UH, WHICH IS 1,330 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT IS ROUGHLY 517 SQUARE FEET OVER THE ALLOWABLE DISTURBANCE.
SO, SO IN TERMS OF SCALE, MAYBE ABOUT THE SIZE, THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM FROM SORT OF WHERE I'M STANDING PERHAPS, AND THE OTHER TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY IS EITHER IN THAT, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S NOTHING IN THE 15 TO 25% BAND AND THE REST IS SUB 15.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT IN BETWEEN ZONE THAT WAS MAPPED.
AND, AND JUST FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS, UH, EDIFICATION, WHAT ARE THE VARIANCES THAT YOU WOULD BE SEEKING? I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHETHER STEEP SLOPES IS AN ACTUAL VARIANCE REQUEST.
NOT DISCRETIONARY, NOT THE STEEP, BUT THE, THE, UH, UH, LOT SIZE IN THE YARD AND, AND THE UNITS.
SO THE VARIANCES THAT, THAT, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING ARE WHEN THE NEW PROPERTY IS BEING CREATED, IT CREATES THE ORIGINAL QUOTE UNQUOTE ORIGINAL PROPERTY OR NORTH PROPERTY.
IT CREATES A NON-CONFORMING SETBACK.
THAT IS THE, THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
WAIT FOR BOTH BLOCKS? CORRECT.
SO THE STREET FRONTAGE IS, I THINK, UH, 100 FEET, UH, ON THE ZONING CODE, 10,000 SQUARE FEET WE HAVE, WE MEET THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, MINIMUM, BUT WE DON'T MEET THE 100, UH, LINEAR FEET OF LOT WIDTH FOR THE FRONT LOT.
FOR EITHER LOT, FOR EITHER LOT.
WE CAN ALSO GO INTO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, THAT WAS A GOOD, EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
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SO LINDA, WHAT ARE THE ACTIONS THAT WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT? SO, I, I THINK FOR TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE REALLY WAITING FOR THE HAN MEMO TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WAS COMFORTABLE ON THE, UM, DRAINAGE.UM, I THINK HE'S, WE'VE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SINCE LAST MONTH ON DRAINAGE AND ON THE STEEP SLOPES, THE INFORMATION THAT, UM, WAS JUST PRESENTED TO YOU.
UM, I THINK IF THE BOARD HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATING TO ANY OF THAT, UM, THE ACTION YOU'RE GONNA TAKE TONIGHT, THE ONLY ACTION WOULD BE TO REFER THEM, UM, TO THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK HERE NEXT MONTH BEFORE YOU GO TO THE ZONING BOARD SO THAT WE CAN FINISH UP CCRA.
UM, AND SO THE BOARD, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, UM, DIRECTING YOUR PLANNER TO PREPARE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER CCRA, UM, THAT YOU CAN ADOPT NEXT MONTH, UM, BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD CAN MAKE A DECISION.
SO BEFORE I OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, DO ANY OF THE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I GUESS JUST TO CONFIRM, THE INTENT IS, ONCE SUBDIVISION HAPPENS, THE INTENT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IS THAT CORRECT OR ARE YOU STILL SPECULATING AS THE ARCHITECT? I DON'T.
IT'S NOT REALLY UP TO ME, BUT I THINK THE OWNER'S INTENTION IS TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
AND IT'S STILL FOR ACCOUNT, IT'S OWNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
SO AT THIS POINT, YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND I'LL
UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, UH, AND YOUR ADDRESS.
AND I THINK THERE'S A SIGN IN SHEET.
AND IF YOU'VE, DO YOU WANNA SAY SECOND? IF YOU'VE SPOKEN BEFORE, AND IF YOU'VE SPOKEN BEFORE AND, UH, THIS IS YOUR TURN, SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH TIME SPEAKING, YOU COULD SAY, I SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY AND I'LL, THIS IS MY, AND I'LL KEEP MY MY COMMENTS, SO IT WON'T BE TOO REDUNDANT.
UM, I'M, UH, OWNER OF, UM, SIX SHELDON PLACE, WHICH IS A PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND I, YOU MUST FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I AM, UH, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS.
UM, ME, UH, BUT, SO IF MY QUESTIONS ARE, UM, UH, INAPPROPRIATE, WRONG WORD, MS. UH, I'M NOT CLEAR.
UM, I, AS THE PLANNING BOARD, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR.
THE TWO OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS ARE, UH, AS I'VE EXPLAINED PREVIOUSLY, ARE THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING NOT, AND I APPRECIATE, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION CONCERNS WERE ADDRESSED, AND THANK YOU.
UM, UM, BUT GOING FORWARD, UH, PEOPLE MOVE WHATEVER THE, THE PARKING WHERE, UH, MIN THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF MIN, UM, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND US HAVE NO DRIVEWAY AND USED THIS AREA OF SHELDON PLACE.
WE, WE BOTH HAVE ELDERLY, UH, RESIDENTS USE THIS, THIS AREA OF SHELDON PLACE AS PARKING.
AND, UM, UH, UM, THE, AND WE'VE HAD, UH, VARIOUS PROBLEMS WITH THE PARKING AND ACCIDENTS BECAUSE OF NON-ADHERENCE TO THIS KIND OF UNSPOKEN RULE ABOUT, UH, ONE LIEN FOR MOVEMENT AND ONE LIEN FOR PARKING, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT, UH, I, I, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHETHER THIS BOARD TAKES THAT CONCERN INTO ACCOUNT AS PLANNING, PARKING TR UH, TRAFFIC IN FUTURE.
IS THAT THIS OR IS THAT NO, THAT'S HERE.
SO HAS THAT, UH, I, I, I SAW THE PLANS, I SAW THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DAKOTA OR NOT.
UH, BUT HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? HAS THAT BEEN, HAS, HAS THAT, HAVE YOU GUYS GONE AND LOOKED AT THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE STREET AND SEEN HOW THE PRO THE PROPOSED PLAN MEETS THE VILLAGE'S REQUIREMENT FOR OFF STREET PARKING? I, I, I GET THAT RIGHT.
THE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TONIGHT IS TO SET UP NEXT HEARING.
WE WILL REVIEW THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE HOUSE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HAS OFF STREET PARKING.
SO, UM, ACTUALLY I THINK IT HAS BOTH A GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY.
SO, UM, IT PROBABLY HAS MORE THAN IS REQUIRED FOR THE OFF STREET PARKING.
SO YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT THIS BOARD WILL CONSIDER IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND PARKING, YOU'RE ADDING ONE HOUSE.
NO, I KNOW, BUT IT'S A LIMITED, IT'S, IT'S ONLY, BUT, BUT YOUR ISSUE IS ON STREET PARKING AND THE, AND THE
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EXISTING AND FUTURE PROBLEMS. YEAH.AND SITE SIGHT LINES FOR THE EXHIBIT, THE SITE WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED WITH THE SIGHT LINE DRAWING, I BELIEVE, UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE.
UM, A PLAN SHOWING THE SIGHT LINE FROM THE, IN THE SITE DISTANCE FROM THE NEW DRIVEWAY OUT TO THE CORNER AT MIDTERM MM-HMM
SO SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WE WILL ADDRESS IN OTHER HEARINGS.
IF, IF AN ISSUE IS RAISED THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR OUR TRANSPORTATION, UH, YOU KNOW, UNIT CAN DEAL WITH, WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT WHEN, OKAY.
IN OUR PURVIEW, WE CAN ONLY ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR THE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE ALWAYS SOME ISSUES THAT AREN'T PART OF OUR REVIEW, BUT WE, THIS IS A SMALL VILLAGE.
SO JUST FOR THE FUTURE, I WILL JUST SAY WHEN YOU DO THAT, THAT THE SIGHT LINE, THAT THE PARK, I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE TO DO THE DETAIL, THAT, THAT AS IT'S OFTEN FULL, THAT SIGHT LINE IS NOT TO THE CORNER, IT IS TO A CAR THAT'S PARKED AT THAT CORNER.
I'D JUST LIKE TO DROP THAT IN FOR FUTURE REVIEW.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED, UH, UH, UH, JUST TO ADDRESS, WHICH IS, UM, WE DO, WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM AND WE DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH, UM, THE STORM AS IT WORKS.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ADDITIONAL STORM.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE, THE WATER CONTAINMENT, UH, THAT WILL BE IN THE NEW, THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE LANDSCAPING MAY CHANGE TREES MAY BE REMOVED.
DOES, DOES THIS BOARD HAVE, DO YOU RECOMMEND, OH, WELL, IF YOU CUT DOWN THESE TREES OR YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS KIND OF LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR IS THAT ANOTHER, AM I, I'M SORRY, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.
NO, YOU'RE, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION IS VALID.
UM, BUT PATRICK, THERE, THERE'S A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DEVELOPED WHICH DEALS WITH THE IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
OUR LAW REQUIRES THAT THEY ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THEY'RE CREATING.
AND AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, THEY'RE SHOWING US A WORST CASE CONDITION.
SO YOU'VE HEARD EARLIER REFERRING TO THE HAN MEMO.
THE VILLAGES ENGINEER HAS BEEN REVIEWING THAT AND WILL ENSURE THAT THE EXIST, THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT INCREASE THE STORMWATER CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WILL NOT FIX AN EXISTING CONDITION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MOST PEOPLE WANT TO SORT OF, CAN YOU ALSO FIX MY PROBLEM? SO SOMETIMES THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED CAN IMPROVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT AN APPLICANT'S OBLIGATION TO GO ON YOUR PROPERTY AND FIX YOUR CONDITION.
SO THEY WON'T CREATE A PROBLEM, THE EXISTING CONDITION THAT MAY BE A PROBLEM.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THAT CONDITION, AND TYPICALLY ARE VILLAGE ENGINEER STRIVES TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
BUT THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN MAKE ONE PERSON DO ON ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY.
I'M JUST DROPPING IN THE DETAIL FOR
UM, IT'S NOT LOT LAST, UH, MONTH.
UM, AND I, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED AND I, AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT TO PROCESS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
UM, OUR NEIGHBOR MENTIONED THAT, UH, ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN OF A PROPOSED HOUSE, THAT HER VIEW OF THE HUDSON WOULD BE, UH, BLOCKED.
AND THEN, UM, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE, UM, THE MULTIFAMILY, UM, THE RULE NOT FOR, UH, THE SIGHT LINE.
WHAT'S IT CALLED? I'M SORRY? YOUR PRESERVATION? THE RE PRESERVATION.
AND THEN SOMEONE ON THE BOARD CORRECTLY, I THINK SAID THAT'S NOT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
NO, IT'S NOT IN THIS DISTRICT.
THIS, THIS AREA OF THE VILLAGE IS NOT WITHIN, AH, THE VIEW PRESERVATION DISTRICT.
SO THE VIEW PRESERVATION LAW DOES NOT APPLY IN THIS AREA.
IT'S NOT WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR I SEE.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE LOCATION.
SO IS THERE, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO THE PLANNING BOARD AGAIN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSIDER OR IS THAT ZONING OR SOME OTHER, SO, SO IF THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED A THREE STORY BUILDING OR A BUILDING TALLER THAN WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES, FAIR GAME.
THE FACT THAT THIS IS A COMPLIANT BUILDING, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO SAY, BUT WE'D REALLY LIKE THE NEIGHBOR TO HAVE A BETTER VIEW, LOWER YOUR HOUSE BELOW WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH DISCRETION TO MITIGATE SOMETHING THAT'S FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW IF WE WERE IN A VIEW PRESERVATION DISTRICT.
DIFFERENT STORY, DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A VENUE, UH, A PROCESS OR IS IT ZONING WHERE, UH, THE RESIDENTS OR THAT RESIDENT WOULD SAY, HEY, THIS IS, SO YOU ARE THE, THE ARGUMENTS YOU'RE MAKING TONIGHT REALLY ARE
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ARGUMENTS BEST SUITED FOR THE ZONING BOARD DEALS? OKAY.WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE TELLING YOU IS YEAH, THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING MEET OUR RULES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S HARD FOR US TO SAY NO TO SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE RULES.
THEY DON'T MEET CERTAIN ZONING CRITERIA.
THAT'S A DISCRETIONARY DECISION THAT THE ZONING BOARD'S GONNA SAY EITHER YES OR NO.
YOU HAVE MORE PERSUASIVE POWER BEFORE THAT BOARD TO ARGUE THE VARIANCES BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT MEETING A RULE.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING EXCEPT THAT THOSE VARIANCES DON'T RELATE TO THE HEIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA AFFECT ANY, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA ADDRESS ANY EFFECT ON FIELD OR, OR THEY'RE PARKING OR I'M SORRY, I'M, UH, YEAH, OR, OR THEY'RE PARKING.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR PARKING.
SO THERE'S NO, SO THERE IS NO MECHANISM REALLY FOR THOSE TWO, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO PARKING AND TRAFFIC ARE THINGS THAT THIS, THAT WILL BE REVIEWED, THIS BOARD WOULD, WOULD CONSIDER IF THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
SO TYP THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, I MENTIONED EARLIER IMPACTS OR SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER TYPICALLY THE, WE HAVE GUIDANCE FROM THE DEC WHO ESTABLISHED THIS LAW.
AND THEIR POSITION TYPICALLY IS WHEN YOU BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT GENERATES TWO CARS DURING A PEAK HOUR, THAT'S REALLY NOT AN IMPACT.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO YOU RAISED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE NARROWNESS OF THE ROAD AND THE LOSS OF PARKING BECAUSE OF THE NEW CURB CUT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT, WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE PERSUASIVE OR NOT, IT'S TOUGH WHEN IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, IF THIS WERE A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR LOTS OF HOMES, A VERY DIFFERENT STORY.
AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE RAISING, YOU MAY WANNA HAVE A WALKTHROUGH WITH, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, BOY, UH, TRUSTEES OR DPW.
THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR SIGNAGE, UH, OR, OR WHATEVER THAT MAY HELP ADDRESS.
AND SOME OF THE PLACES IN THE VILLAGE, IT JUST, IT'S A PROBLEM.
I LIVE ON A BLOCK THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T GET TWO CARS PASSING EACH OTHER ON THE SAME TIME.
AND THEN THE RESIDENTS JUST KIND OF WORK IT OUT OVER TIME.
AND IN EFFECT, FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, THAT SLOWS DOWN TRAFFIC SO PEOPLE CAN'T SPEED.
UH, SO THAT'S A TRAFFIC CALMING A GOOD THING SOMETIMES.
UM, FROM PLANNING, I TH I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ANSWER, BUT, SO THE, THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS THAT THIS PROJECT, PROPOSED PROJECT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ON THE SURROUNDING OR THREE OR FOUR OR TWO NEIGHBORS, VERSUS THE BENEFIT FOR THE LANDOWNER WHO, WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOING FOR A SALE IS IMMATERIAL.
SO THIS BOARD, AGAIN, AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, THE SEEKER REVIEW WILL LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT THAT IS PART OF WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT.
ENVIRONMENTAL MEANING AND NOT, BUT NOT, YOU'RE, YOU, WHEN YOU SAY ENVIRONMENTALLY, YOU MEAN LITERALLY, UH, UM, WATER EARTH, IT'S A BIG NET.
IT'S TRAFFIC, IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S SEWER AND WATER.
I'VE, AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE TUTORIAL.
YOU, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC IN THAT CASE? I'LL CLOSE THE, THE DISCUSSION.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK? YEAH, I JUST GONNA SAY REALLY QUICKLY IF I CAN JUST, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK TO US, NOT TO THEM.
YOUR NAME AND WRITE IT DOWN ON THE
UM, AND UM, JUST TO SAY HOW MUCH AS OWNERS, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE INCREDIBLE WORK, THIS DISCUSSION, WHICH WE CONSIDER VERY DEMOCRATIC.
UM, WE ARE VERY HAPPY AND WORK WITH NEIGHBORS ON ALL THESE ISSUES.
AND WE, WE REALLY CONSIDER THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE RECEIVED PO POSSIBLY OVER 15 LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AROUND US.
AND I THINK THE, IT'S BEEN AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANNA BE IN HASTINGS, HOW WE WANNA BE A WELCOMING PLACE, A PLACE THAT, UM, YEAH, IS, IS IS WELCOMING AND OPEN AND, AND GROWING.
AND, UM, YEAH, JUST TO SAY THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO WALK ANYONE EVER ON THE LOT OR LOOK AT ANY OF THESE ISSUES, UM, GOING FORWARD.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT CLOSING IT.
I'M JUST CLOSING THE DISCUSSION.
CAN I COME UP FOR A SECOND PLEASE? IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE, AND YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, STEVEN JUST MENTIONED 1 21
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EDGARS, WE ARE THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY, UH, EAST OF THEIR PROPERTY PROPOSED AND PROBABLY THE ONES MOST AFFECTED BY THE VIEW SHED.LEMME JUST WRITE MY NAME HERE AND IF I CAN JUST, UH, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE PURVIEW OF YOUR PLANNING BOARD, BUT THE VIEW IS AN IMPORTANT THING AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND IT DOES HAVE IMPACT ON BOTH THE ENJOYMENT OF OUR PROPERTY AND THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND IF I CAN SHOW A PICTURE MY HAVE RE IN HERE IS KILLING MY EYES.
OH, IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? YEAH.
OPEN THE WINDOW SHOWED UP ON THAT ONE ON THE LEFT.
WELL I'LL REFERENCE THAT ONE THERE.
UH, THAT WAS YESTERDAY MORNING,
AND UH, JUST TO SHOW YOU, THAT IS THE VIEW WE WOULD HAVE AND OR HAD DO HAVE, AND THE PROPOSED HOUSE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FINAL DIMENSIONS OF IT ARE, WE WILL LARGELY BE COMPLETELY BLOCKING OF THAT VIEW OF THE PALISADE AND THE RIVER THAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND, UH, THAT WAS THE MOON THE OTHER DAY, THE OTHER MORNING.
AND THIS WAS AS IT GETS MORE WHEN IT GOT BRIGHTER, THERE'S STILL A LITTLE MOON UP THERE.
AND THAT'S THE PALISADES BEING HIT BY THE MORNING SUN.
AND THAT IS THE VIEW WE HAVE AND THAT IS THE VIEW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOST.
AND THOUGH I DO APPRECIATE OUR NEIGHBORS WANTING TO MAXIMIZE THEIR VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY,
HE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD FEEL THIS WOULD BE, UH, ADVERSE TO OUR IMPACT ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SHOW.
SO MADAM ATTORNEY, PLEASE ADVISE JUST IF THE BOARD HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, UM, DIRECTING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE COMFORTABLE AT THIS POINT, THAT YOU WOULD, UH, CONSIDER A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT THE NEXT MEETING AND REFER AND DO THE REFERRAL TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR THE REQUIRED VARIANCES.
SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON YOU DO DO A MOTION ON THE REFERRAL.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO REFER TO THIS? TO, TO REFER TO THE PLANNING BOARD ZONING BOARD ZONING ZONING BOARD.
SO IT'LL BE FORMALLY REFERRED, IT WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.
AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE BACK HERE BEFORE RIGHT? THE WEEK BEFORE THAT.
YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THE NECK DECK.
AND LINDA AND I AND, AND WE WILL REVIEW THAT NEXT MEETING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I THINK OUR BUSINESS FOR THE EVENING IS DONE.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.