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WHAT DIDN'T YOU[I. ROLL CALL ]
IN 2025? MARY ELLEN, WOULD YOU DO ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRPERSON.BOARD MEMBER RICHARD BASS HERE.
BOARD MEMBER ANJALI CHEN HERE.
BOARD MEMBER DAVID GUNTON IS ABSENT.
ALTERNATE BOARD MEMBER THOMAS SPIRE HERE.
VILLAGE ATTORNEY LINDA WHITEHEAD.
HERE BUILDING INSPECTOR CHARLES MOZZI HERE.
[II. ELECTION OF PLANNING BOARD CHAIRPERSON ]
ORDER OF BUSINESS, UM, THIS EVENING IS THE ELECTION OF A PLANNING BOARD CHAIR PERSON.THIS HAPPENS EVERY CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, LINDA, DO YOU WANNA JUST WALK US THROUGH THE PROTOCOLS SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW? UM, SO PRETTY SIMPLY, UM, I THINK EVA HAS LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT SHE IS WILLING TO SERVE ANOTHER YEAR OR SO.
I GUESS THE FORMAL WAY WE SHOULD GO ABOUT IT IS SOMEBODY CAN NOMINATE HER.
SOMEBODY CAN SECOND THAT NOMINATION AND THEN YOU CAN VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO CONGRATULATE YOU OR APOLOGIZE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COLLABORATION.
[III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
UM, OUR, OUR NEXT ITEM IS TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS.WE HAVE ANY, WE HAVE MINUTES FROM OUR MEETING FROM JANUARY 16TH, WHICH I DO BELIEVE WE COULD APPROVE TONIGHT.
THANK YOU RICHARD, FOR CHAIRING IN MY PLACE.
UM, AND WE HAD RICHARD, ERNESTO, ANGEL AND, NO, I DON'T THINK I WAS ON THE DECEMBER, JANUARY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE, UM, WHO WAS THERE ANY COMMENTS? NO, NO COMMENTS.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? YEAH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THAT RIGHT? WE CAN'T DO DECEMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAD ALTERNATES.
WE HAVE TO, THAT WAS THE MEETING.
AND WE HAD, WAS IT TWO ALTERNATES? SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE HAVE BOTH DICK AND TOM.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON THOSE.
CAN YOU DO THAT BY EMAIL? I DON'T KNOW, LINDA, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT MINUTES BE APPROVED.
SO THEY CAN BE ON THE WEBSITE.
WE PUT THEM UP, WE MARKED THEM DRAFT.
I THINK THE KEY IS THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE, JUST THEY GET APPROVED REALLY.
SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY, IF ANYBODY SEES CORRECTIONS OR ANYTHING.
YEAH, I NOTICED THAT AN CAUGHT THIS, SO SOMEHOW SHE WAS RECORDING.
SO IT'S GOOD TO READ THEM WHEN YOU HAVE THE TIME.
CATCH THOSE KIND OF THINGS ALL I SEE.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA, UM, THIS EVENING.
AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, SEVERAL OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE A NEW PUBLIC HEARING, I'M GONNA SAY.
AND OF COURSE WITH ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE WELCOME, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO YOU'RE HERE, I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE FOR THAT.
WE JUST ASK THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR, UM, ONGOING APPLICATIONS WHERE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST VIA JUST, UM, KIND OF REITERATE VERY BRIEFLY WHAT YOUR COMMENTS WERE OR, OR, UM, AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, EMPHASIZE ANYTHING YOU'VE HEARD, JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH, UM, GIVE ADEQUATE TIME FOR THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE COMING LATER IN THE EVENING.
WE TRY TO BE FAIR ABOUT THAT TO EVERYONE.
[IV. OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ]
SO LET'S START WITH THE FIRST OLD PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS, UH, FOR THE VIEW PRESERVATION ADVISORY AND SITE PLAN.APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION OF RTV WASHINGTON LLC, WHICH IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, CREATING ONE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH 21 PARKING SPACES AND A PUBLIC ACCESS MUSE ON TWO EXISTING BUILDING LOTS LOCATED AT NINE DASH 17 WASHINGTON AVENUE.
SAID, PROPERTY IS IN THE MRC ZONING DISTRICT.
IT IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.70 DASH 48, DASH 37 AND 38 ON THE VILLAGE TAX MAPS.
NOW JUST TO REVIEW, BEFORE I SEE SOMEBODY'S
SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED REVISED PLANS AND UM, ALSO AS, UM, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT AND, UM, COMING TO THESE HEARINGS KNOWS THAT WE REQUESTED
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A MOCK-UP OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHTS ON THE SITE.UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE APPLICATION HAS TO DO WITH VIEW PRESERVATION AND REQUESTS FOR, UM, ZONING VARIANCES WHERE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SEE IN LIVE FORM WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT IS GONNA BE.
SO I WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE THE MOCK-UP OF THOSE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND, UM, MOST PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, UH, CAME IN.
SMALL GROUPS WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ALL BE THERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A MEETING, BUT WE, UM, WENT IN SMALLER GROUPS AND, UM, SO THAT WAS, WE ALSO WANT TO THANK THE NEIGHBORS ON WAR BURTON AVENUE, WHO GRANTED US ACCESS TO VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THEIR BUILDING SO THAT WE COULD REALLY ASSESS THE VIEW PRESERVATION ISSUES, UM, THAT IMPACT, UH, THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT AND MASSING.
AND, UM, WE COULD GET A SENSE OF THE BULK AND THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT, LIKE THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
SO, BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, PROJECT, OTHER MEETINGS WHERE WE REVIEW THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, UM, SINCE WE DID ALL MOST OF US GO ON SITE, I THOUGHT, UM, WE SHOULD FIRST GIVE OUR COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, AND I CAN START IN A MINUTE.
I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT WE ALSO RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL MEMO ON THE PROJECT FROM OUR VILLAGE ENGINEER.
AND I WANNA NOTE THAT ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS, WHICH HAS BEEN RAISED PREVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S NOT RESOLVED YET, IS, UM, THE DRAINAGE ISSUES WHICH REMAIN.
UM, WE CAN GET TO THOSE SHORTLY.
UH, JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, DRAINAGE ISSUES ARE CONSIDERABLE.
UM, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO START TONIGHT WITH JUST, UH, COMMENTS ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
AND I'LL JUST KICK IT OFF AND SAY THAT IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO SEE THE MOCKUP, UM, AND THAT, UH, AS CURRENTLY CONFIGURED, I THINK THE PROJECT HAS TOO MUCH OF A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBOR'S VIEW OF THE HUDSON RIVER AND THE PALISADES.
UM, AND IN MY VIEW, THE HEIGHT VARIANCE IS REQUESTED BY THE OWNER.
EXCESSIVE ARE EXCESSIVE AND DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF OUR VIEW PRESERVATION CODE, WHICH REQUIRES NOT THAT THERE BE ZERO IMPACT, BUT, UM, THE PROPOSALS CAUSED THE LEAST POSSIBLE OBSTRUCTION OF THE VIEW OF THE HUDSON RIVER AND THE PALISADES FOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND ADJACENT PUBLIC PROPERTY AND RIGHTS OF WAY.
SO, UM, BASED ON THE MOCKUP, JUST ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, UM, I THINK THE EVIDENCE SHOWED THAT THAT STANDARD HAS NOT BEEN MET AND THAT THE APPLICANT COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF REVISING THE PROPOSAL, UM, TO, UH, TO HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
BUT THAT'S MY OPENING STATEMENT AND I WANNA OPEN IT UP TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE OR ADD TO, UM, THAT, AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS.
SO I'LL START ON THIS END AND MAYBE IT LOOKS LIKE TOM RAISED HIS HAND.
UH, I MOSTLY AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT.
I, I HAVING BEEN THROUGH, UM, A NUMBER OF APARTMENTS, I THINK THE IMPACT ON VIEWS, PARTICULARLY ON, UM, APARTMENTS ON IN THE WAR BURTON BUILDINGS ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS SIGNIFICANT.
UM, AND THAT, UM, THAT IMPACT IS CAUSED BY THE TOP STORY OF THE PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'LL NOTE ALSO THAT WE WERE, WE HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH, BUT WE WERE THERE TO ASSESS THE IMPACT ON VIEW.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE OTHER IMPACTS THAT WERE MENTIONED TO US DIDN'T MAKE THAT MUCH OF AN IMPRESSION ON ME, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE IMPACT ON VIEWS IS MORE THAN OUR CODE ALLOWS FOR AND AS IS, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT THE PROJECT PROCEED AS CONFIGURED THE WAY IT IS.
UM, DID TAKE THOROUGH VIEWS OF THE, UH, OF THE, SOME OF THE APARTMENTS.
UH, I WOULD SAY THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR DEFINITELY AFFECTED, UH, THIRD FLOOR AND UP.
YOU DEFINITELY HAVE SOME, SOME VISIBILITY.
I THINK SOME KIND OF AN ADJUSTMENT OF SOME SORT WOULD, WOULD HELP PRESERVE THE, THE VIEWS, UH, IN, IN THAT PLACE.
I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WE ALSO DID RECEIVE LETTERS FROM SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL, WHICH HELPED INFORM OUR DECISION.
LENGTHY, THOROUGH, DESCRIPTIVE LETTERS,
WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS WELL, UM, AS PART OF THE, THE OVERALL ANALYSIS.
YEAH, I MEAN, MY IMPRESSIONS WERE, I'M
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GLAD THAT THE OWNER IS THINKING ABOUT REDEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY.LIKE CERTAINLY HAVING THE ABANDONED BUILDING THERE IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO NEIGHBORLYNESS OR, UM, SO THERE COULD BE SOME WELCOME COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THERE.
UM, I AGREE THAT THE, I DID NOT THINK THAT THE VIEWS WERE PRESERVED.
UH, I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RENTAL BUILDINGS THAT'S ON THE CORNER IN ADDITION TO THE TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE FARTHER DOWN THE BLOCK.
THE, THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THAT, WHO ENJOY, UH, FROM THEIR RENTAL UNITS, UM, SOME VIEW THAT PALISADES WOULD HAVE THAT COMPLETELY ELIMINATED.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE OTHER STORIES, THAT'S JUST THEIR STORY.
UM, SO, UM, I, WE, UH, ANGELIE AND I DID GO INTO THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER.
UM, SO THANKS TO THE TENANTS THERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, UM, THAT SEEMS TO ME IS KIND OF THE CONGESTION, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, RIGHT ON THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK IS A HIGHLY CONGESTED BLOCK.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE JUST THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE THAT I WOULD BRING UP.
UM, YEAH, I, I AGREE AS WELL, UH, WITH EVERYTHING ALL OF YOU SAID.
AND I WOULD EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT I WISH THERE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE A THIRD, THIRD STORY AT ALL IN THIS, UH, BUILDING.
THERE SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF UNITS, SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S UP TO THE ARCHITECTS AND THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, BUT IT WOULD BE HARD TO ENVISION IT BEING ACCEPTABLE, I THINK, GIVEN HOW MUCH IT IMPACTS THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.
WE ALSO HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS, TOM, UM, AND WHICH ALSO HELPED INFORM SOME OF OUR OPINIONS.
BUT I ALSO LIKE KATE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT DEVELOP AND HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND A GOOD, UM, SOLUTION.
I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE RHETORIC AROUND THE PROJECT ON THE WHOLE HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE, A LITTLE LOFTY FOR WHAT IT IS.
I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE THE PROJECT GO FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S A BLIGHTED SPOT AND I THINK EVERYONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT.
AND THE TOWN WOULD BENEFIT FROM, OR VILLAGE, EXCUSE ME, WOULD BENEFIT FROM, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I FOUND MYSELF THINKING AS I WAS IN ALL OF YOUR APARTMENTS, THANK YOU BY THE WAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 16 OTHER UNITS, DO WE REALLY NEED THE FOUR ADDITIONAL? DOES, ARE THOSE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? AND I, I, I DON'T THINK A COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR WHY THOSE ADDITIONAL FOUR ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY HAS BEEN MADE.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE, UM, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE TO THE PROJECT IF THAT THIRD STORY WAS REMOVED.
UM, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, THE APPLICANT TEAM TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE, WE HAVE PRETTY CONSISTENT FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD, UM, ON THAT VERY PARTICULAR, UM, ISSUE OF THE HEIGHT, UM, AND VIEW, LACK OF VIEW PRESERVATION.
UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND OR MAKE THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION YOU CAME TO MAKE ON THAT? GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND STAFF.
MY NAME IS JACOB AMIR FROM Z AND STEINITZ.
UM, PLEASED TO APPEAR ON BEHALF OF RTB WASHINGTON.
THE APPLICANT WITH ME IS NEIL DELUCA ON BEHALF OF RTB AND KAREN ICK AND SUZANNE LEVINE AT CGA STUDIO ARCHITECTS.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S COMMENTS AND IT'S, IT WAS EXPECTED AND, AND ANTICIPATED THAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING THAT ISSUE.
THAT IS, THAT IS THE CENTRAL ISSUE.
I'M GONNA TURN IT TO, UM, TO NEIL INTO THE DESIGN TEAM.
AND AFTER THEY MAKE THE PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO COME BACK UP HERE AND JUST AS A PREVIEW, ASK THE BOARD THAT IT, THAT THE MATTER BE REFERRED TO THE ZONING BOARD TO ADDRESS THE VARIANCES.
THERE ARE SEVERAL VARIANCES AT ISSUE, NOT JUST HEIGHT, BUT SETBACK.
SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, WE CAN DEAL WITH HEIGHT IF WE HAVE TO, AND SETBACKS, UM, AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS BOARD TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT.
I'LL RESPOND TO THAT REQUEST RIGHT HERE IN THAT OUR PROCESS IS TYPICALLY WE, WE REFER THINGS OVER ONCE WE'RE COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING THE VARIANCES.
SO IF WE, IF WE AT THIS POINT WERE TO REFER TO THE ZONING BOARD, WE WOULD BE SAYING THAT WE DON'T RECOMMEND THEM, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS PROBABLY THAT WHAT YOU WOULD WANT.
UM, SO WE, I DON'T, UNLESS OTHER FELLOW PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WANNA REFER IT, I'M NOT READY TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR PROCESS THAT WE, WE REFER IT WHEN WE
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FEEL LIKE WE, WE'VE GOTTEN ENOUGH RESPONSE, UM, OF THE BACK AND FORTH AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE RAISED THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING, OKAY, ZONING BOARD, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S BEING ASKED? FAIR ENOUGH.SO LET ME TURN IT TO NEIL TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.
CAN I JUST, JUST TO SUPPLEMENT THAT? YEAH.
UM, THE ZONING BOARD WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS UNTIL THIS BOARD COMPLETES ITS SECRET REVIEW.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW OUR PROCESS AND, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO YEAH, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT, THAT ONCE WE REFER SOMETHING TO THE ZONING BOARD, WE, WE TYPICALLY, WE, WE MAKE SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION.
TOM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND OR LINDA AND YOU PROBABLY MM-HMM
IS IT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO RECOMMEND TRADE OFFS? IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE EMPHASIZED OUR CONCERNS ABOUT VIEW PRESERVATION.
UM, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO SAY, IF YOU CAN MITIGATE THE, THE IMPACTS TO VIEW, BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF, UH, NEEDING MORE VARIANCES IN SETBACKS FOR EX, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, BASICALLY, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD NEED MUCH MORE.
TAKE THE STUFF ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, MOVE IT DOWN, MOVE IT TO A LOWER PLACE WHERE IT MIGHT CAUSE SETBACK PROBLEMS. YEAH.
SO, SO I'M GONNA RESPOND TO THAT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, FAIR ENOUGH FOR THE QUESTION.
I'LL JUST TELL YOU MY PHILOSOPHY ON THAT.
I THINK, UM, I THINK WITH A, WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I REALLY PUT IT IN MY VIEW, IT'S ON THE APPLICANT TEAM, WHICH INCLUDES THE ARCHITECTS, THE LAWYERS, THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER HIMSELF, HERSELF.
UM, IT'S FOR THEM TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS, THEY THINK THAT ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES I THINK WE'VE GONE DOWN A RABBITS HOLE WHERE WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S HELP YOU THINK ABOUT HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM OR NOT THAT I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S A GOOD USE OF OUR TIME.
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE OR THERE MM-HMM
BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY TO, TO LAY OUT THE, THE ISSUES AND LET THEM COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS AND ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS.
THAT, THAT'S MY PHILOSOPHY, UM, ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE THEN WE GET INTO SORT OF, WE GO OUTSIDE OUR LANE A BIT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO, IF YOU THINK IT'S
YEAH, I, I CERTAINLY, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO LEAVE AN OPENING OR, OR GIVE US A WAY OF LEAVING THE APPLICANT AN OPENING KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO.
SAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO YOU DOING BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.
I THINK THIS FORUM USUALLY IS A PLACE WHERE APPLICANTS CAN TEST, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF US DOING THIS OR THAT? AND WE, WE TRY TO BE VERY HELPFUL IN, IN, IN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
I JUST THINK THAT, UM, SOMETIMES AN APPLICATION COMES TO US, AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE 'CAUSE WE HAVE UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT IT.
THE APPLICANT IS, IT'S ALMOST CREATING A SELF-IMPOSED, UM, HARDSHIP BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS OF GREAT AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH.
SO IT'S ON THEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ASK FOR LESS OR ASK FOR THINGS THAT, THAT ARE GONNA ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.
AND, UM, I, I JUST FEEL THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO APPROACH IT.
ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY.
LET, LET ME, LET ME JUST ADD ONE, ONE POINT IF I CAN.
AND I APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S COMMENT.
I ACTUALLY THINK IT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE HEARD FROM THE BOARD.
'CAUSE IT IS, DOES SEEM UNIFIED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY INSTRUCTIVE.
JUST, JUST I GUESS FOR THE, FOR THE AUDIENCE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, EVEN IF THIS BOARD FINDS THAT THERE IS MINIMAL IMPACT OR LESSENED IMPACT, AND IT GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD, THE ZONING BOARD STILL HAS THE, THE JURISDICTION TO FIND SEPARATELY.
SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A TWO-PRONGED PROCESS.
AND I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY HEAR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO KNOW FOR THE PROCESS, NOT FOREGONE, WHATEVER HAPPENS AT THE ZONING BOARD.
LEMME TURN IT OVER TO, UH, NEIL, MADAM CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE AS PART OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM TONIGHT.
I'M HERE AS PART OF THE OWNERSHIP TEAM, EXCEPT AFTER THESE COMMENTS, I'M NOT SURE, UM, I COULDN'T HEAR EVERYTHING YOU SAID, BUT, BUT AM AM I CORRECT IN THINKING THAT OVERWHELMINGLY EACH BOARD MEMBER WAS AGAINST THE CURRENT HEIGHT AS WE HAVE IT? IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? YES.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
SOME OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS THOUGH.
UH, YOU MENTIONED A LETTER, UH, I THINK IT'S DECEMBER 7TH FROM THE INDEPENDENT ENGINEER, UH, HA ENGINEERING.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
SO WE DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TAKE UP THE BOARD'S TIME TONIGHT.
WE THINK ALL OF THOSE WILL BE SETTLED, ESPECIALLY AS YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, STORMWATER WE'RE IN BETWEEN, UH, WASHINGTON AVENUE AND THE ZZA PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO DUMP OUR WATER.
UM, WANNA SHOW YOU SOME OF THE CHANGES WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST FEW MEETINGS, BUT
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DIDN'T ACTUALLY SHOW YOU THE PARAPET CHANGES.AND AS WELL, UM, AS MR. CLEARY HAD MENTIONED IN HIS FIRST LETTER, UM, THE BUCKHEADS THAT HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT, WE, WE TOLD YOU WE TOOK THEM OUT.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT BRIEFLY TONIGHT.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOU TO ALL OF THE, UH, PRESENTATION WE HAD ON WHAT THE, UH, UM, VIEW CARD HAS LOOKED LIKE, UM, BECAUSE WE KIND OF ALREADY HEARD YOUR DECISION.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT WAS NOT EASY TO DO, WHICH IS WHY WE TRIED TO PUT IT OFF.
WE HAD TO, THANKS TO CHARLES FOR HELPING US FIGURE IT OUT.
WE HAD TO FINALLY PUT, AS YOU SAW, A CONSTRUCTION SCAFFOLDING TO HOLD DOWN THE TWO BY FOURS ON THE LOWER ROOF BECAUSE 18, 19 FEET OF TWO BY FOUR IN THAT LOCATION IS JUST SCARY.
SO WE'RE GLAD AT LEAST WE GAVE YOU, UH, OR YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
LEMME SAY ONE OTHER THING BECAUSE WE HEARD, UH, IN SOME OF OUR TALKS, AS YOU DID MRS. BYER, SOME OTHER COMMENTS.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD WAS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BREWING A LONG, LONG TIME, AND THAT'S THE GROWING OF THE TREES ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I'LL SAY AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHETHER PEOPLE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THOSE TREES WERE IMPLANTED, BUT THEY ARE BLACK LOCUSTS.
AND AS YOU ALL PROBABLY HAVE COME ACROSS THIS MANY TIMES, IF THERE'S A WAY FOR A BLACK LOCUST TO GO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DOES.
SO I HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT KIND OF, UH, PUT AN END TO SOME OF THE ILL WILL.
THAT'S BEEN I FERMENTING FOR YEARS.
AND AS WELL GIVE YOU A GUARANTEE, UH, IN, IN, IN A WEEK OR TWO, AS TIME WILL ALLOW, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT SOMETHING TO MR. MENZI, WHICH WILL BE A TREE REDUCTION PLAN.
I'M USED TO A PLANTING PLAN, A TREE REDUCTION PLAN BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, MR. QUIGLEY, WHO LIVES IN TOWN, UH, AND A LICENSED ARBORIST WHO'S WORKED IN THIS TOWN.
AS ALSO, WE WILL GIVE THAT TO MR. MENZI, UH, SUBJECT TO YOUR APPROVAL.
WE, WE'LL AGREE TO MAKE THAT PART OF OUR, UH, FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, ONCE THAT HAPPENS, I CAN'T GET A CO UNTIL ONE OF THE BOXES I HAVE TO CHECK OFF.
MR. OZZI HAS TO CHECK OFF UNTIL I DID IT.
WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU, MODIFY IT AS YOU WANT.
WALK, TALK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE I'M GOING TO ASK FOR ALMOST EVERY TREE POSSIBLE TO BE TAKEN OUTTA THERE, EXCEPT THERE IS AT LEAST ONE TREE.
WE WANNA DO WHAT WE CAN TO SAVE, IT'S A MAJESTIC OAK ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE THINK IF AND WHEN WE GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR WHATEVER DESIGN WE COME UP WITH THAT, THAT YOU APPROVE, THE FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PUT UP A S
THE SECOND THING WE'LL DO IS DEMO SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
THE THIRD THING WE'LL AGREE TO NOW, AND AS PART OF OUR SITE PLAN IS TO TAKE DOWN EVERY TREE ON THAT TREE REMOVAL PLAN.
SO IF YOU'RE A NEIGHBOR WHO'S BEEN THINKING OF FOR 10 YEARS, THOSE BLACK LOCUST SHOULD COME DOWN.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHY THEY DIDN'T.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU AS AN OWNER NOW, THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN WHEN WE START OUR CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AS TO THE, UH, AS TO THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, UM, WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US.
UM, MR. VAIO WRIGHT, THERE IS A, UM, UH, AN IMPACT.
JUST ONE THING I WANT YOU TO BE, BE SURE OF AND, AND, AND YOU'LL SEE IT WHEN KAREN COMES UP.
THE THIRD STORY IS NOT JUST AN APARTMENT.
THOSE ARE THREE STORY UNITS BECAUSE THE FIRST FLOOR OF THOSE UNITS, HE'S REALLY KIND OF THE BASEMENT.
IT'S KIND OF A FAMILY ROOM WHERE THE BATHROOM'S THE WAY UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THIRD FLOOR.
UH, I, I DON'T WANNA DO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PRODUCT TO DO, UM, STUDIO APARTMENTS OR SMALL ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS IN THAT LOCATION.
BUT I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ADDRESS IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A MAJOR POINT AND WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN.
WE HOPE WE CAN HAVE THAT A DIFFERENT SCENARIO FOR YOU.
UM, BY THE MARCH MEETING, WE MAY NOT.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF, UH, THINKING, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A FINANCIAL SITUATION.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT SITE SHOULD HAVE SMALL ONE BEDROOMS AND, AND, AND, UM, STUDIO.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO OUR PLAN.
BUT WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU NOW, UM, ASK A QUESTION.
UM, JUST WANTED TO, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THE MUSE WOULD WORK, UH, OPERATIONALLY.
UM, THERE'S A PASSAGEWAY, IS IT 24 HOURS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
20, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THE HEIGHTS APART FROM THE HEIGHT.
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
UM, I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
MAYBE MAYBE KAREN OR SUZANNE WILL KNOW IT'S, NO, IT'S NOT, UH, 24 7.
I, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE 6:30 AM TO MAYBE NINE 30 KIND OF WHEN THE TRAINS STOP.
SO WILL THE ACCESS, THERE'LL BE AN ACCESS GATE, OBVIOUSLY TO THE ENTRANCE TO OUR MUSE, WHICH IS RIGHT BY THE COFFEE
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HOUSE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'LL CALL IT.AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER GATE, UH, AT THE, UH, NORTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE STAIRWAY DOWN TO ZZA.
AND THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATIC LOCK.
THERE WERE SOME, WE HAD IN OUR VISITS, WE HAD HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE AND, AND, AND AGAIN, THAT I, WE WERE ASKED A PART OF, I GUESS, UH, PAT LEARY'S REVIEW WAS, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THIS? RIGHT.
UM, THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE THOUGH.
WE, WE COULD, WE COULD CHANGE.
WE JUST FIGURED THAT WE WANNA BE CATCH THE MORNING TRAINS, UH, AND THEN CATCH OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AFTER 9 30, 10 O'CLOCK.
THERE REALLY AREN'T THAT MANY.
I THINK THEY CAN WALK AROUND IF THEY'RE LATE.
WE DON'T WANNA JUST KEEP IT OPEN.
SO AT THIS POINT, I WANNA TURN IT OVER TO, UM, UM, I'M KAREN CHACK AND SUZANNE LEVINE FROM CGA.
I'M KAREN CHACK HERE WITH SUZANNE LEVINE, THE OWNERSHIP TEAM AND THE REST OF THE TEAM.
UM, I CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WE HAD TO SHOW YOU THIS EVENING, GIVEN THAT WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN DISCUSSED.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME FOR NO REASON.
UM, WE HAVE THE, UH, FRONT ELEVATION AND I CAN GO THROUGH THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE DID THERE.
AND THEN, UH, IN TERMS OF THE MOCKUP, YOU'LL TELL ME HOW MUCH WE SHOULD GO THROUGH, UM, FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION, BASED ON BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS, WE HAD MODIFIED THE DESIGN OF THE RAILINGS, UM, ON THE FRONT PORCHES TO OPEN THEM UP MORE.
UM, IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE CONTEXT THAT WE STUDIED OF HOW, UM, SUCH OPEN SPACES ARE TREATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AS NEIL MENTIONED, UM, WE HAVE REMOVED ALL OF THE BULKHEADS ON THE SOUTH UNITS, UM, AND HAVE, UH, OPERABLE ROOF ACCESS SKYLIGHTS INSTEAD.
UM, AND THIS LAST ITEM WAS NOT IN RESPONSE TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.
THIS IS JUST WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS.
WE MODIFIED THE PARAPET DETAIL FOR THE, UM, THREE UNITS, UM, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT ELEVATION, UM, ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, SO THAT THOSE UNITS ARE NOW FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE HEIGHT LIMITS.
SO THE S UNITS ARE NOW FULLY BELOW THE, UH, HEIGHT LIMIT FOR THAT AREA.
UM, WE NO LONGER ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT FOR THAT BLOCK OF UNITS.
UM, I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH HOW THE MOCKUP WAS DEVELOPED, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW CRITICAL THAT IS AT THE MOMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE POINTS TO THE SURVEY OR THE SURVEYOR LOCATED THE HEIGHTS OF THOSE POINTS AND, UM, LOCATED, UH, AND THEN WENT TO SURVEY WHETHER THE, UH, ONE INCH DIAMETER HOLES THAT THE MESH IS HUNG FROM ARE AT THE CORRECT HEIGHTS AND CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE AT THE CORRECT HEIGHTS.
UM, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, THANKS TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR THEIR COURTESY IN LETTING US IN.
WE VIEWED THE MOCKUP FROM 43, 45, 47, 4 91, 4 93, AND 4 93 A.
UM, AND I HAVE PHOTOS FROM THOSE UNITS FROM ALL OF THE FLOORS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE THEM FOR YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT HAVING LAID OUT THE PHOTOS IN SOME CASES, UM, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS AN IMPACT ON VIEWS ON ALL LEVELS.
WE FOUND WHEN LAYING OUT THE PHOTOS THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE HIGHER LEVELS, THERE IS NOT AN IMPACT ON VIEWS.
UM, AND I WILL JUST JUMP TO THE HIGHLIGHTS AND SAY THAT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, IN CASES, EVEN WHEN THERE IS AN IMPACT ON VIEWS, AND I'M GOING TO ONE THAT'S, UM, UH, THE SECOND FLOOR HERE, UM, THE IMPACT ON VIEWS FOR THE MOST PART IS HAPPENS TO BE ALIGNED WITH THAT FIVE STORY BUILDING IN THE DISTANCE.
YOU SEE THERE IS AN IMPACT ON VIEWS TO THE, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT BUILDING, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT IS, UH, CONCENTRATED WHERE THERE IS ALREADY OBSTRUCTION IN THE VIEW.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO FLIP THROUGH THESE IN MORE DETAIL, BUT I I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP YOUR TIME UNLESS IT'S HELPFUL.
UM, WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE PICTURES AND YOU MEETING US, UH, FOR THE WALKTHROUGH.
UM, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE, THE DESIGN EXERCISE OF REMOVING ALL A PART OF THAT THIRD FLOOR, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE, UH, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THAT THIRD FLOOR, UH, AND POSSIBLY, UH, KEEPING SOME OF THE THIRD FLOOR ON THE FURTHER WEST, UH, STRUCTURES.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ANSWER, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
UH, IN, IN DESIGN FORM, YOU MEAN THE FURTHER WEST STRUCTURES OF THE SOUTH UNITS? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? LIKE AS YOU GO DOWN THE HILL? RIGHT.
THERE COULD BE A, IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE WE HAD A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, OR YOU KNOW, ALSO BECAUSE IT GOES DOWN THE HILL, BUT INTERESTINGLY YOU SEE HERE THAT, UM, ACTUALLY THE FURTHER EAST PORTION OF THE S BUILDING IS ALREADY OBSTRUCTED BY THE FIVE STORY, UH, BUILDING BEYOND, RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S, IF YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTHWEST, RIGHT? UH, IF I AM, UH, IN THE BUILDINGS LOOKING DO WEST, UH, THAT THIRD FLOOR REALLY IS THE OBSTRUCTION, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND I THINK THE, THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IN, IN TERMS OF AN ITERATION OF REMOVING PART OF THAT THIRD FLOOR.
IT MAY RESULT THAT ALL THE THIRD FLOOR IS, UH, REMOVAL IS THE SOLUTION, BUT
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SHOW US, RIGHT.UM, DO, DOES THE BOARD FEEL AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BEFORE THE MOCKUP WAS PUT UP, WE SHOWED THE BOARD, UM, 3D YOU KNOW, UM, UH, VIEW PRESERVATION STUDIES SHOWING THE BULK OF THE PROPOSED BULK OF THE BUILDING.
UM, DOES THE BOARD FEEL COM IF THE BOARD IS, IF THE BOARD IS ABLE POTENTIALLY TO REVIEW PICTURES OF THE MOCKUP RELATIVE TO OUR RENDERINGS, WOULD THE BOARD FEEL COMFORTABLE REVIEWING THE MASSING IN FUTURE ITERATIONS BY LOOKING AT SUCH RENDERINGS RATHER THAN HAVING TO PUT UP A PHYSICAL MOCKUP? OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU, I I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE BOARD.
I THOUGHT THE MOCKUP WAS, WAS REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I REVIEW PLANS ALL DAY LONG.
UH, JUST IT WAS MUCH EASIER SEEING THE MOCKUP.
SO AGAIN, HOW, HOW YOU TELL THE STORY, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU.
UM, BUT WHETHER IT'S A COMBINATION OF, UH, UM, A REVISED MOCKUP OR A COMBINATION OF A MOCKUP IN YOUR, UH, YOUR 3D, IT'S YOUR STORY TO TELL.
I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF, YOU KNOW, A D AND, AND TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS, I I WOULD SAY STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOMS NEAR A TRAIN STATION IS A PRETTY VIABLE OPTION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT TWO BEDROOM AND WANTING A BIGGER APARTMENT UNIT, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, I I WORK IN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION AND STUDIOS AND ONE BEDROOMS ARE VERY VIABLE NEXT TO TRAIN STATIONS.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, ERNESTO.
AND I THINK, UM, THE DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS IN WESTCHESTER ARE SHOWING THAT WHAT'S DRIVING SOME OF THE HOUSING NEED IS THE HOUSEHOLD FORMATION BEING SMALLER THAN A TRADITIONAL HAS BEEN.
THERE MAY BE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS THE APPLICANT HAS, BUT IN TERMS OF DEMAND, I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.
I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD ALSO ADD, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, UH, THE VILLAGE HAS A, A SEVERE SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, AND, AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PATTERNS SHOW THAT WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME MOVING YOUNG PEOPLE IN AND OLDER PEOPLE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME MOVING INTO, OUT OF THEIR HOMES, INTO DWELLINGS THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR FIXED INCOME.
AND SO, AND MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SIZE SIZE.
MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SIZE.
SO I, I THINK A ONE BEDROOM, SMALL, ONE BEDROOM WOULD BE VERY VIABLE.
ALTHOUGH IF THERE'S ECONOMIC DATA TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE, I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING IT.
ANY OTHER THANK KAREN COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR QUESTIONS FOR? OKAY.
WE'LL COME BACK, TAKE A LOOK AND COME BACK IN MARCH.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT UM, PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING IS A, EXCUSE ME.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I'M SORRY, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WE AS SOON AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT DOING HERE? UM, BRIAN ALLEN 47, UH, OR BURDEN.
UH, I WAS QUITE IN A POSITION ACTUALLY.
UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU RECEIVED MY LETTER? YES.
MY OPUS, I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER IT AGAIN.
UM, THIS NOTION THAT, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR BASEMENTS ARE NOT APARTMENTS IS ABSURD.
UH, THESE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER BEEN INTO EIGHT WASHINGTON OR 1 0 1 SOUTH SIDE.
THERE ARE STUDIO APARTMENTS THERE, THERE ARE SOME VERY SMALL STRANGE APARTMENTS IN THIS LOWER BLOCK.
OBVIOUSLY THIS COULD BE MADE SMALLER UNITS.
SO I DUNNO WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
THEIR FIRST FLOOR BASEMENTS ARE REALLY NOT APARTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO NOW ADMITTED THAT THE PUBLIC WALKWAY IS FOR THE TRAIN COMMUTERS.
WHEN THE TRAIN STOPPED, THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE THE GATE.
THEY'RE GONNA BRING THE ENTIRE COMMUTING POPULATION TO MY BACKYARD.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC SPACE, THEY JUST ADMITTED IT.
UM, ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION IN, IN MY LETTER IS THE NOTICE PROBLEM.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW DUAL NOTICE WORKS HERE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET NOTICE OF THE ZONING BOARD MEETING AS WELL.
THE VIEW PRESERVATION DISTRICT HAS A DUAL NOTICE PROVISION.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THE DATE OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, HEARING AND THE ZONING BOARD MEETING.
THE ZONING BOARD HEARING IS NOT SET YET.
BUT THEY CAN'T, THEREFORE THERE CANNOT BE PROPER NOTICE UNDER THE STATUTE.
THIS WILL BECOME A PROBLEM IF WE GET, IF, IF, IF, IF THIS CONTINUES ON.
YOU CAN'T GIVE NOTICE UNDER THE STATUTE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE OF THE ZONING BOARD MEETING DUAL NOTICE THAT CAN'T BE DONE.
SO I'LL JUST BRING THAT UP NOW.
I DIDN'T PUT THAT IN MY LETTER.
UM, AND THEN I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN WILL THIS BOARD MAKE A DETERMINATION? UH, A DECLARATION UNDER A SECRET? WE DON'T KNOW YET, SO WE DON'T KNOW.
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THE PROJECT, SO, SO THERE'S MORE INFORMATION TO COME, COME.WE ALREADY, WE TONIGHT WE GAVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK TO THIS APPLICATION.
BUT SECRET, SECRET, WE CANNOT TELL YOU SECRET WAIT OUT IN THE FUTURE.
WE CANNOT TELL YOU BECAUSE WE, WE NEED TO GET THE INFORMATION.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS PROCESS PLAY OUT BEFORE.
WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS AND WE'LL WAIT FOR THE ANSWERS AND THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK? PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
HI, HOW YOU DOING? HI, IT'S MICHAEL WILSON.
YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA CUT THE TREAT.
YOU GOTTA SPEAK TO US AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, CAN WE ASK HIM TO CLARIFY? I YOU CAN ASK US AND THEN THEY CAN COME UP AND SPEAK LATER.
IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS SAYING AT FIRST THAT THEY WERE GONNA CUT THE TREES DOWN IMMEDIATELY, BUT THEN TOWARDS THE END IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS SAYING WE'RE GONNA CUT THE TREES DOWN WHEN WE START BUILDING.
YEAH, I, I, THE WHAT HE SAID? YES.
SO BECAUSE THE TREES, UM, THIS IS A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, ALEX HAS NOT BEEN NICE, FRANKLY.
AND I HAVE SOME EMAILS THAT I SAVED.
UM, ZACH UMOFF WAS THE OWNER OF 4 9 1.
I JUST WANNA SAY WE, IT'S, I, I KNOW THERE BEEN ISSUES ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT IS FOR THE VILLAGE.
IT'S JUST NOT AN, IT'S NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW, BUT IT, IT, WE UNDER, WE, WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO ESTABLISH THAT, THAT ZACH OOFF, I HAVE EMAILS HERE OR HE WROTE TO ALEX, UH, MAY 28TH, 2019.
UH, THE TREES ARE BECOMING A CONCERN FOR MY TENANTS.
THE TENANTS WERE THE HADDOCKS WHO NOW OWN THE PLACE.
UH, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF WE BROUGHT IN A LANDSCAPER TO TAKE CARE OF THIS MM-HMM
AND, UM, THEY DID GET A RESPONSE AND FINALLY SAID, ALEX SAID, I'M BUSY THESE DAYS.
AND THEN, UM, HE WROTE BACK TO ALEX ON JUNE 1ST, 2019.
UH, THE PASTURE RESPONDED QUICKLY.
I'M WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON? COULD I HAVE YOUR PERMISSION TO BRING IN A LANDSCAPER TO HELP WITH THE, WITH THE SITUATION? YEAH.
I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU'D HAVE ANY OBJECTION IF I'M WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
SO HE OFFERED TO PAY TO TAKE THE TREES DOWN ON JUNE.
UH, I THINK WE'RE AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN DISPUTES BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS.
CAN I JUST READ ALEX'S RESPONSE, WHICH IS I DECIDED TO SHELL THIS PROJECT.
MY POSITION IS DEFINITELY NOT TO CUT DOWN THESE TREES.
I'M NOT GOING TO COMPROMISE AT THIS TIME.
IT IS MY RIGHT TO PLANT ANYTHING ON MY PROPERTY.
AND IN THIS SAME EMAIL, HE HAS THIS FICTION THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WE DIDN'T HAVE A VIEW, WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE RIVER AND HE HAS TAKEN IT AWAY AND IT'S, AND IT WOULD BEHOOVE HIM TO CUT THESE TREES DOWN RIGHT AWAY AND WE'D BE A LOT MORE AMENABLE.
AGAIN, I, I FEEL, I FEEL FOR YOU ALL THE FRUSTRATION AND THE LACK OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE OWNER AND YOU ALL, I FEEL FOR YOU.
BUT THAT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT.
WELL, WHO DO WE TALK TO? WE, WE'VE VILLAGE TALKED TO HIM.
YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE VILLAGE.
THEY SAID THERE'S NOTHING, THERE IS NO LAW THAT, THAT SAYS THAT HE HAS TO CUT THE TREES.
I THINK IF IT WAS UP ON VILLARD THEN MAYBE THAT THE TREES WOULD BE CUT DOWN.
I'M JUST, WOULD WOULD THIS HAPPEN? THE VILLAGE CANNOT FORCE HIM TO TAKE THOSE TREES DOWN.
WELL I'M TELLING YOU, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BEHOOVE HIM.
FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE PROJECT IS SO BIG, UH, IN TERMS OF THE VIEW.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THINGS.
MY CONCERN IS THEY HAVE A ROOF.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA PUT SOME SOMETHING ON THE ROOF THAT'S GOING TO BE TAUGHT LIKE A TREE OR A BIG PLANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ROOF'S THINGS.
BUT, UH, I GOTTA TELL YOU, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT REALLY, HE HAS NOT BEEN VERY NEIGHBORLY.
HE HAS, HE HAS THIS FICTION THAT HE GAVE US THE VIEW AND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A VIEW BEFORE.
WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE RIVER YEAR ROUND.
AND IT, IT AFFECTS OUR PROPERTY VALUES BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN'T SELL A, YOU KNOW, HERE, WHERE'S THE RIVERVIEW? OH, ONCE THESE ARE CUT DOWN, WHEN'S THAT GONNA BE? I MEAN, THIS IS 2019.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE, WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
WELL, IT JUST SEEMS WRONG TO ME.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK? NO.
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAD THEIR CHANCE, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE MEETINGS.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OPEN HEARING FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK UP.
DID YOU WANNA, DID THE APPLICANT WANNA COME BACK AND SAY ANYTHING? NO.
WE'LL COME BACK IN MARCH AND YEAH.
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ISSUES.OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UM, OLD PUB, UM, OLD APPLICATION, UM, PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS A SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION OF CASSANDRA SUITE AND DOUG BOROVIC FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW BUILDING LOT LOCATED AT 16.
SHELDON PLACE SAID PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL FOUR POINT 20 DASH 18 DASH FOUR ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS.
AND BEFORE WE LAUNCH IN, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, OUR PLANNING BOARD MEMBER
AND WITH THAT, UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE THE APPLICANT, UM, PROVIDES ANY INFORMATION, UM, COULD WE, COULD THE PUBLIC PLEASE KNOW WHY ANGELIE HAS TO BECAUSE SHE LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I JUST SAID THAT SHE SAID IT.
OH, I DIDN'T EVEN HEAR YOU SAY IT.
I SAID SHE, SHE RECUSED HERSELF.
SHE HAS BEEN WITH EVERY MEETING BECAUSE SHE LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, WE, WE REFERRED THIS MATTER TO THE ZONING BOARD BOARD OF APPEALS, UM, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE ZBA.
SO WHEN YOU HEAR ME SAY THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS, UM, FOR THEM TO CONSIDER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR VARIANCES AT THEIR MEETING LAST MONTH, UM, THIS MONTH.
THIS MONTH WE REFERRED IT LAST MONTH.
IT WON'T BE ON UNTIL LATER THIS MONTH.
WE'VE ALSO, UM, BEEN ESTABLISHED AS THE LEAD AGENCY FOR A SR REVIEW AND, UM, BEFORE THE ZBA CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE VARIANCES AS THE LEAD AGENCY, WE NEED TO COMPLETE THE SR REVIEW.
AND THAT WILL BE THE FOCUS, UM, FOR US THIS EVENING.
UM, ALSO, I JUST WANNA SAY OUR PLANNER, UM, PATRICK CLEARY WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, HE PROVIDED US WITH DRAFTS OF THE SECRET OF PART TWO AND THE DRAFT NEG NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
UM, AND PATRICK CAN'T BE HERE.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH AS BEST AS WE CAN WITH OUR VILLAGE ATTORNEY'S HELP, UM, TO WALK THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
UM, DID THE, I GUESS IT LOOKS LIKE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION BEFORE WE DO THAT.
ARE YOU, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT THE FORMS HERE, SO.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOMETHING RIGHT.
SO, UM, WE, WE'VE MADE SURE WE HAVE A PROCESS WHERE JUST SO EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC KNOWS WE GET A DRAFT, UM, WITH EVERYTHING WRITTEN UP IN ADVANCE AS A BOARD SO THAT WE HAVE SOME TIME TO REALLY DIGEST IT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES TO IT.
WHAT IT DOES IS PULL TOGETHER A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, MATTERS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, UM, UP UNTIL NOW.
AND, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, THAT MEANS THAT WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, UM, IN ANY OF THE AREAS, UM, TO BE CONSIDERED.
BUT I WANNA GIVE, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS, UM, GENERATED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND IT'S BEEN UNDER REVIEW FOR A WHILE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, REALLY WALK THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS OUR, UM, DELIBERATION AND DECISIONS ON THESE VARIOUS MATTERS IN, IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
SO WITH THAT, LINDA, WOULD YOU LIKE I HAPPY TO DO IT.
SO WE ALL HAVE, SOME OF, SOME OF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT ON YOUR COMPUTERS.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM PART ONE AS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, THIS IS ALL UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
UM, THAT IS THE START OF SORT OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU FOR YOU TO DO YOUR ANALYSIS OF POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UM, AS DEFINED BY THE REGULATIONS, STATE REGULATIONS.
UM, SO YOU CONSIDER THE INFORMATION ON THAT FORM AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER DOCUMENTATION INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED YOU TO YOU DURING THE COURSE OF THIS REVIEW.
UM, THE NEXT STEP FOR YOU IS TO, UM, ASSESS THE IMPACTS AND ULTIMATELY MAKE WHAT'S CALLED A DETERMINATION OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IS A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THE PROJECT, UH, WILL RESULT IN ANY POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
SO THE, THE NEXT STEP FOR YOU TO DO IS LOOK AT WHAT'S CALLED THE PART TWO.
UM, SO, UM, PATRICK HAS FILLED OUT A DRAFT OF THE PART TWO.
THIS IS A SORT OF SIMPLE, WELL, BETTER THAN THE PRIOR VERSION.
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IT, IT LISTS OUT 11 AREAS THAT THE STATE HAS IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.AND FOR EACH ONE YOU DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS NO, OR A SMALL IMPACT OR A MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA READ THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMPLE.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE'VE ALSO GOT, WHICH WE'LL GO THROUGH, UM, AND WHAT PAT CLEARY WROTE UP FOR YOU IS ACTUALLY SORT OF A WRITTEN ANALYSIS GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE AREAS OF IMPACT AND WHY, UM, THE PROJECT WILL OR WON'T RESULT IN ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
SO FIRST IS, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CREATE A MATERIAL CONFLICT WITH AN ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN OR ZONING REGULATIONS? NOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE ARE VARIANCES, THERE'S THREE VARIANCES REQUIRED HERE.
UM, SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NO IMPACT, BUT I, I DO THINK, UM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE OF THE REQUIRED SIZE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IT'S PROBABLY A SMALL IMPACT, BUT THAT'S FOR YOU TO, I THINK, LINDA, WHAT I SUGGEST AS A PROCESS HERE IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL, UM, CONCUR OR, OR ARE ABLE, IF WE DON'T CONCUR, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO, WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT A LOT, SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF SURPRISES, BUT I DO WANNA GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, ARE YOU GOOD WITH, UM, SAYING IT'S NO OR SMALL IMPACT OR DO YOU FEEL THAT WE NEED TO SELECT MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT? SO LET'S, LET'S DO IT THAT WAY.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, WILL A PROPOSED ACTION CREATE A MATERIAL CONFLICT WITH AN ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN OR ZONING REGULATIONS? AND AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER DOCUMENT, UM, THERE'S SOME, SOME TEXT RELATING TO THAT.
MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS THEN, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A BACKUP, A RATIONALE FOR WHY WE WOULD SAY, UH, THE DEFAULT IS WE'RE GONNA SAY THE DEFAULT RIGHT NOW IS THAT NO SMALL IMPACT.
MAY NO OR SMALL IMPACT MAY OCCUR, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE FLAG, LIKE IF SOMEBODY FEELS THAT MM-HMM
ALRIGHT, SO WHY DON'T WE POINT TO WHAT'S IN, BECAUSE PATRICK DID A GREAT JOB OF SUMMARIZING A VERY, LIKE WE, WE HAD A LOT OF IN DEPTH CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO LET'S PULL OUT FROM THE MEMO LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHY WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION OR WHY WE AGREED THAT IT'S NO OR SMALL IMPACT 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE MEMO.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM
AND THAT'S NUMBER ONE IN HIS, UM, ATTACHMENT.
YEAH, THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION ATTACHMENT.
SO, UM, I CAN TAKE A STAB AT SUMMARIZING OR IF ANYBODY WANT LIKE WE, MAYBE WE DO TAKE ONE, EACH ONE AND JUST SUMMARIZE THE RATIONALE FOR WHY WE'RE SAYING IT'S NO OR SMALL IMPACT.
TIME TO BE COLLABORATIVE, BUT I'LL JUST, I'M HAPPY TO HELP SHARING, BUT OKAY, GO AHEAD.
ALRIGHT, SO FOR ONE, UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE, THE PROPOSED ACTION INVOLVES A SUBDIVISION OF A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL OF LAND.
UM, AND IT WOULD CREATE TWO NEW LOTS OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET EACH, BOTH NEW LOTS COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM LOT AREA REQUIREMENTS OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, NOW THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ON LA LOT A FACING MIDTERM IS LEGALLY A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION AND NO CHANGES PROPOSED.
UM, AND THE SETBACK FOR THE DETACHED GARAGE LOT A IS ALSO LEGALLY PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION AND NO CHANGES PROPOSED.
UM, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR LOT A IS NOT MET.
UM, AND A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED.
UH, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO THE, THE ZONING BOARD, UM, THIS MONTH,
UM, THE, WHAT WE'VE CONCLUDED IN OUR MEMO IS THAT THE LEAD AGENCY FINDS THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOTS CANNOT BE PRACTICALLY IMPROVED.
AS A RESULT, THE PLANNING BOARD FINDS THAT SUBJECT TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE TWO AREA VARIANCES THAT I JUST DESCRIBED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE LAND USE OR ZONING IMPACTS.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
DOES ANYBODY NO PROBLEM HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT? I'M GOOD.
UM, SO NUMBER TWO IS, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN A CHANGE IN THE USE OR INTENSITY OF USE OF LAND? UM, I KNOW AND IT RESULTS IN A TEMPORARY CHANGE IN THE EXISTING AIR QUALITY.
CAN I JUST JUMP IN FOR ONE SECOND? YEAH.
JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO GO LOOK AT NUMBER TWO AND IT'S NOT, NOT NUMBER TWO.
SO IT'S NOT NUMBER TWO, WHAT PAT DID IS IN HIS ONE THROUGH
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20 IS ACTUALLY THE NUMBERED ITEMS OUT OF THE REGULATIONS.UM, SO THEY DON'T ALL LINE UP WITH THE PART TWO.
SO 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY 11 QUESTIONS IN THE PART TWO.
SO, UM, NUMBER TWO REALLY IS SIMILAR, UM, TO NUMBER ONE.
UM, SO I THINK YOU CAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGE IN THE USE OR INTENSITY OF USE OF THE LAND.
IT'S HOUSING, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT'S ADDING ONE TO, UM, AND WITH, WITH MOST OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING BEING MET.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S A MODERATE OR LARGE IMPACT ON THE USE OR INTENSITY OF THE LAND.
UM, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPAIR THE CHARACTER OR QUALITY OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY? WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS.
I THINK THE, UM, IN THE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE APPLICANT, THE ARCHITECT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A GOOD CASE TO BE MADE THAT THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH QUITE A FEW OF THE LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, IT'S IN CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THAT IT'S NO OR SMALL IMPACT.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS THAT CAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA? SO THERE IS A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA HERE.
AND IF I COULD READ, UM,
SO THE, THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS THAT WERE DESIGNATED HERE BY WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND THE STATE RELATE TO THE HUDSON RIVER.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, THE, UH, THE STATE PARK, WHICH IS THE AQUEDUCT.
SO, UM, THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT CAUSE THOSE TO BE NAMED AS A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA, THE RIVER, OBVIOUSLY THE PRESERVATION OF, OF THE RIVER MM-HMM
UM, THE AQUEDUCT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A PARK.
SO ARE YOU AFFECTING THE PARK? UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SORT OF WHERE THE NEXT QUESTION IS.
DOES THAT, WOULD THIS HAVE AN IMPACT ON THOSE CHARACTERISTICS? NO, I, I, I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, NOW THIS NEXT ONE, I KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING THAT I MISSED.
UM, SO THAT, SO THIS ONE I DO WANT TO, WE HAVE SOME BACKUP INFORMATION HERE, BUT THIS ONE IS, UM, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN AN ADVERSE CHANGE IN THE EXISTING LEVEL OF TRAFFIC OR EFFECT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MASS TRANSIT BIKING OR WALKWAY? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY I THINK FOR THE MASS TRANSIT BIKING OR WALKWAY, THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT, BUT I THINK, UM, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE RAISED THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, IS THIS, UM, GOING TO CREATE, UH, AN ADVERSE CHANGE IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING LEVEL OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL DEAD END STREET.
UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA READ, I AM GONNA READ FROM THE MAP HERE 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, SO HERE, UH, THE PROJECT WILL ADD ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
IN TOTAL, THE SITE WILL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY TWO PEAK HOUR VEHICLE TRIPS.
THIS VOLUME OF TRAFFIC WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ROADWAY OPERATING CONDITIONS OF SHELDON PLACE OR MINTER STREET, NOR WILL IT RESULT IN ANY DISCERNIBLE CHANGE TO NEARBY INTERSECTIONS, LEVEL INTERSECTION LEVELS OF SERVICE.
AS A RESULT IS IT ANTICIPATED THE PROJECT WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY ADVERSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
UM, AND ALSO IN THE MEMO, IT STATES THAT THE CREATION OF A NEW DRIVEWAY CURB CUT ON SHELDON PLACE COULD HAVE THE APP POTENTIAL OF REDUCING THE AVAILABILITY OF VON STREET PARKING.
HOWEVER, IT IS NOTED THAT ALL ON STREET PARKING OCCURS ON THE WEST SIDE OF SHELDON PLACE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM WHERE THE CURB CUT IS PROPOSED.
THEREFORE NO ON STREET PARKING WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED ACTION.
THE PROPOSED DWELLING ON LOT B PROVIDES FOR A TWO CAR GARAGE AS WELL AS A DOUBLE WIDTH DRIVEWAY THAT MEETS THE APPLICABLE SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE TWO CARS.
IT CAN THEREFORE BE CONCLUDED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT TO PARKING.
AND I, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, THAT THIS BE LAID OUT BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A CONCERN THAT'S BEEN RAISED AND IT DOES, IT DOES, UM, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR CODE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, TO GO BEYOND THAT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR TO ME, UM, AS EVERYONE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THAT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IF I RECALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS CORRECTLY, THEY, THEY MOSTLY HAD TO DO WITH PARKING AS OPPOSED TO TRAFFIC.
AND I WOULD SAY THE COMMENTS WERE KIND OF OF AN IDIOSYNCRATIC NATURE.
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UH, AN OVERLY LARGE VOLUME OF PARKING SPACES WILL BE TAKEN UP.IT WAS MORE OF THE NATURE OF WE LIKE TO PARK HERE MM-HMM
AND THIS WOULD IMPACT WHAT WE DO TODAY.
BUT, SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT AND, AND FACT THE IMPACT IS MINIMAL OR SMALL.
AND, AND WHEN A, WHEN A PROJECT IS PROVIDING ONSITE PARKING, I MEAN, THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO.
YOU CAN'T LIKE REGULATE WHETHER SOMEBODY CHOOSES TO PARK ON THE STREET.
BUT THE, THE ISSUE IS TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, NOT ON STREET PARKINGS, RIGHT.
SO YOU, THE, THE RESPONSE TO PATRICK AND YOUR EXPLANATION, UH, ADDRESSES COMMUNITY CONCERNS, BUT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THE FINDING THAT IT'S A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION QUESTION.
RIGHT? ADDING ONE HOME IS NOT GOING TO, UH, IMPACT TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.
THAT'S THE KEY TERM IN THIS QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, WILL THE PROPOSED, THAT'S NUMBER SIX.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CAUSE AN INCREASE IN THE USE OF ENERGY AND IT FAILS TO INCORPORATE REASONABLY AVAILABLE ENERGY CONSERVATION OR RENEWABLE ENERGY OPPORTUNITIES? THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW GREEN BUILDING CODE.
SO, UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S ONLY ONE HOUSE.
I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE THAT POINT TOO.
UM, SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF MICROWAVES.
SO NUMBER SEVEN, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPACT EXISTING PUBLIC PRIVATE WATER SUPPLIES? UM, THAT'S A AND B, PUBLIC-PRIVATE WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UTILITIES, AGAIN, UM, MINIMAL, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE HOOKED UP LIKE ANY OTHER HOME.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPAIR THE CHARACTER OR QUALITY OF IMPORTANT HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC RESOURCES? UM, AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, WE'VE TALKED THIS ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
I THINK IT'S VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE WAY THE DEVELOP THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S DEVELOPED OVER TIME.
UM, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A HUGE DEPARTURE FROM THE CHARACTER, UM, HISTORIC OR OTHERWISE OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DOES ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK UP NOW? 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE COVERED THIS, BUT JUST TO PUT IT ON RECORD.
UM, THE, AND THE, BY THE WAY, THE STATE REGULATIONS, SECRET REGULATIONS ALSO DEFINE AESTHETIC RESOURCES AND IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, DESIGNATED SCENIC RESOURCES AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, UM, IT'S NOT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK OF AS NECESSARILY AN AESTHETIC OR CENIC RESOURCE.
UM, WILL THE, SO NUMBER NINE, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN ADVERSE CHANGE TO NATURAL RESOURCES, EG, WETLANDS, WATER BODIES, GROUNDWATER, AIR QUALITY, FLORA AND FAUNA? UM, I THINK THERE'S NO, NO, NO.
IT'S NUMBER, UH, 14, 12, 13 FLOOR.
I WAS GONNA SAY, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS, I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH ALL THIS IN THE MEMO, BUT THERE, THEY'RE, YEAH.
PATRICK GOES THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THESE, THE CRITERIA FOR THE DETERMINATION THAT IT'S MINIMAL, BUT I I, I DON'T THINK ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A SMALL LOT IS GONNA HAVE MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT.
AND LET'S SAY EVERYONE'S AGREEING.
NUMBER 10 IS, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN THE POTENTIAL FOR EROSION, FLOODING, OR DRAINAGE PROBLEMS? THIS ONE, I WANNA SAY, UM, AND THIS HAS COME UP, UM, MANY TIMES IN OTHER PROJECTS TOO.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT, THAT THE PROJECT CANNOT BE APPROVED IF IT DOESN'T ADDRESS, UM, RUNOFF AND HAVE PROPER DRAINAGE AND ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT NO ADDITIONAL RUNOFF.
DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING?
AND THEY'VE SHOWN HOW THEY WILL BE DOING THAT.
AND, AND OUR, AND OUR ENGINEER HAS LOOKED AT A PER A SAMPLE HOUSE THAT COULD, THAT COULD LEGALLY FIT ON THIS LOT MM-HMM
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE THIS, I WANNA SAY THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE THIS COMES UP AGAIN AND AGAIN.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HILLY.
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IS HILLY.WE NOW, WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, WE HAVE MORE AND MORE FLOOD EVENTS.
AND SO PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS WHENEVER THEY SEE SOMETHING BEING BUILT.
BUT THIS REALLY IMPORTANT POINT THAT OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR IS MAKING IS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW, IN FACT, THE APPLICANT HAD TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND ADDRESS A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM OUR VILLAGE ENGINEER ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE.
UM, BECAUSE WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
AND, UM, IN FACT, IN SOME CASES THE, THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT'S, THERE ACTUALLY WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S GONNA BE COVERING THIS LOT NOW THAT WATER IS GOING TO BE SUBTERRANEAN, IS NOT GONNA BE SHEATHING OVER THE GROUND, SHEATHING OVER THE GROUND GOING, RUNNING DOWN THE HILL.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA REDUCE BE CAPTURED.
AND IT WILL BE ACTUALLY A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN THE SURROUNDING HOUSES THAT ARE THERE NOW.
THEY, THEY CAN ONLY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON THEIR PROPERTY, NOT WHAT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION ON A STREET.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVING THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THEY CAN'T MAKE IT WORSE.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY HIGH STANDARD.
SO, AND, AND, UM, WITH A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CREATE A HAZARD TO ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES OR HUMAN HEALTH? UH, NO.
SO LINDA, WE JUST GOT THROUGH ALL OF IT, RIGHT? SO, UM, ON THE NEXT PAGE IT TALKS ABOUT THAT IF YOU HAD INDICATED ANY OF THOSE AS MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS THEM FURTHER MM-HMM
UM, BUT YOU HAVEN'T, SO, UM, GIVEN THAT, UM, THAT SORT OF LEADS TO THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU'VE DETERMINED BASED ON THAT INFORMATION AND ANALYSIS THAT YOU'VE UNDERTAKEN AND THE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS THAT, UM, PATRICK HAS PUT IN HIS MEMO, UM, THAT YOUR DECISION IS, CAN YOU MAKE THE DETERMINATION BASED ON ALL OF THIS AND THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS? YES.
WE, WE'VE MADE THAT DETERMINATION.
SO WE, WE ARE READY TO MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT? YES.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED TO ADOPT, TO ADOPT NEGATIVE.
SO SECOND TO ADOPT NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN THE FORM AS PROVIDED.
WE HAVE ONE MORE THING WE WANTED TO DISCUSS HERE.
UM, SO AT THIS ZONING BOARD MEETING, UM, LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS, UM, THEY HAVE NOW ASKED THAT WHEN YOU ARE REFERRING PROJECTS TO THEM, THAT YOU ACTUALLY PROVIDE A MEMO OR SOME INDICATION, UM, THAT, THAT YOU SUPPORT THE VARIANCES OR WHERE YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS.
THEY, THEY DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WELL WHEN DO THEY SEND IT TO US AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT? SO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, SINCE THIS WILL BE ON THE ZONING BOARD AGENDA LATER THIS MONTH, UM, HAVING, UH, THIS BOARD DO, UM, SOME SORT OF A MEMO.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A RECAP OF WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH.
'CAUSE THESE ARE ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND WITH THE PROJECT AND THINGS THAT WERE ADDRESSED OVER TIME WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
UM, SO, AND I THINK THE POINT IS TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT YES, WHEN YOU REFER IT YES.
YOU, YOU SUPPORT THE VARIANCE.
AND I SAID THAT EARLIER IN THIS MEETING MM-HMM
UNDER ANOTHER WITH ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE DON'T JUST REFER OVER TO SEE, OH, HOW, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? LIKE BY THE TIME WE REFERRED OVER, WE'RE AFFIRMATIVELY, UM, RECOMMENDING, BUT IN THIS CASE, I WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION HAS GONE IN HERE THAT, UM, IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR THOUGHT PROCESS, THEY MIGHT NOT BE UP TO SPEED ON OUR THINKING.
UM, SO IS THAT SOMETHING MAYBE YOU WOULD, PATRICK? YEP.
PATRICK AND I CAN DRAFT A MEMO AND, AND WE CAN SEND IT TO YOU FOR YOU TO OKAY.
AND I THINK IT'S BASICALLY SOME OF THE MAJOR POINTS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE ZONING BOARD TO RECEIVE THAT.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, COULD YOU CIRCULATE THAT TO THE PLANNING BOARD EMAIL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, AND, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS A
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CHANCE TO SPEAK, SPEAK ON THIS.DOES ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANNA MAKE A COMMENT? IF SO, PLEASE COME UP.
DON'T WORRY, YOU HAVE THE ZONING.
UM, I DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING UP TO THE PODIUM, SO I THINK, UM, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC OTHER THAN WHAT WE RECEIVED, UM, PREVIOUSLY AND LETTERS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY, UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ARE YOU READY TO GO
UH, CAN I GET A COPY OF THE EAF REPORT FROM CLEAR? YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING.
WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SOME LITTLE TWEAKS TO IT, BUT YEAH.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL SEE YOU, UM, AFTER THE ZONING BOARD COMPLETES THIS PROCESS.
SO MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT, UM, OLD PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S FOR A NEW ACCESSORY APARTMENT APPROVAL APPLICATION OF ANTONIO YOUNG FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW ACCESSORY APARTMENT IN AN EXISTING DETACH GARAGE LOCATED AT THREE WHITMAN STREET.
SAID PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R DASH 7.5 ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.30 DASH 24.8 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAP.
AND, UM, ACTUALLY WITH THIS ONE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, AT THE LAST, LAST ZBA MEETING, THE BOARD HAS GRANTED THE NECESSARY VARIANCES FOR THIS APPLICATION.
UM, AND WE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION PREVIOUSLY A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES OR CONCERNS.
SO DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA ADD ANYTHING OR MAKE A STATEMENT? UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ASIDE FROM WHAT I SAID LAST TIME.
UM, SO GIVEN THIS, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CREATION OF MOTION TO APPROVE? JUST WANNA ASK IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC, SORRY.
IS THERE ANY FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? NO.
SO NOW MOTION GIVEN THIS, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CREATION OF A NEW ACCESSORY APARTMENT IN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE LOCATED AT THREE WHITMAN STREET? YES, YOU DO.
ERNESTO SECOND AND PATRICK SECONDS IN IT.
ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE, IT'S UNANIMOUS.
THE EASIEST
I WAS ON THE, MY ONLY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE.
I THOUGHT WE HAD APPROVED THIS BEFORE, SO NOW IT HAD TO GO TO THE, COULD YOU JUST REITERATE WHAT HAPPENED? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
AND YOU COULDN'T DO THE FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL THEY HAD THE VARIANCE? I DON'T KNOW.
WE RE WE WE'VE, WE SENT IT THERE, WE SENT IT OVER TO ZONING.
THEY SENT IT BACK IN THE OKAY.
AND THE VARIANCE WAS FOR AN EXISTING NON-COMPLIANT, UH, SITUATION AND, AND THE, UM, NEW PATIO, THE PAVING AND THE YARD.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE CONSTRUCTION
UM, SO WE HAVE ANOTHER OLD PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S, THIS IS FOR THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION OF TWO FULTON STREET LLC TO TWO FULTON, LLC FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW BUILDING LOT LOCATED AT TWO FULTON STREET.
SAID PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE R DASH 7.5 ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.1 40 DASH 1 46 DASH 16 AND 17 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED RESPONSES TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
AND DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION REALLY QUICKLY? IF YOU WANTED TO CONNECT YOUR LAPTOP? SHE HAS CONVERTERS.
YEAH, 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T FIT AND YEAH.
YOU HAVE A CONVERTER FOR THE YEAH, WE DID.
NO, WE DEFINITELY THANK YOU GUYS.
THEN I COULD START WITH SOME OF THE SURE.
YOUR, UM, WE, UM, BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY ENGINEER, WE RESPONDED TO ALL OF THE ENGINEER'S COMMENTS.
UM, HIS FINAL COMMENT LETTER POINTS OUT TWO ISSUES.
THE FIRST ONE I DON'T AGREE WITH.
THE FIRST ONE IS NOT CORRECT, YOU CAN SKIP IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD THE LAST
HE'S HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS. HE'S AN ENGINEER WITH ZONING ISSUES,
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I HAD TWO FRONT YARDS, BUT WELL, YOU DO.SO I, I'M GONNA ADDRESS THAT IN A SECOND.
YES, YOU, YOU, YOU ARE REQUIRED.
THE CODE REQUIRES THAT, UM, IT, SO YOU DESIGN, YOU PICK A FRONT YARD.
AND WHAT THAT, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S A REAR AND WHAT'S A SIDE.
SO YOU'VE DESIGNATED PINE STREET IS THE FRONT THAT MAKES THE NEW LOT LINE THE SIDE AND THE OPPOSITE LINE THE REAR.
HOWEVER, FOR PURPOSE OF SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE 25 FOOT FRONT YARD ON BOTH STREET FRONTAGES.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
SO ANYWHERE YOU'RE ON A STREET FRONTAGE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
IT'S NOT YOUR FRONT YARD, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FRONT YARD SETBACK.
IN THIS CASE IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY.
SO IT DOESN'T, YOUR FRONT YARD SETBACK ON FULTON STREET, UM, IT REQUIRES 25 FEET THERE.
IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, BUT YOU ARE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ALSO HAVE THAT 25 FOOT ON THE PINE STREET SIDE.
DO I GO TO THE ZONING BOARD? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, YOU DO NOT, YOU HAVE IT'S EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES THAT ARE NOT IMPACTED BY THE SUBDIVISION.
THE CHAPTER ON SUBDIVISION OF A LOT.
CI HAD FOUR PEOPLE READ IT 10 TIMES.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE RELEVANT ONE.
IT'S THE FRONT YARD, IT'S THE YARDS.
I DIDN'T FIND THAT ONE, BUT THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS CONCERNING ME.
SO, UM, I, I DON'T, THE THE THING ON THE DRAINAGE IS THAT'LL COME UP WHEN WE GO TO BILL SOMETHING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE DRAINAGE, BUT WE HAD OUR ENGINEER UPDATE THE DRAINAGE PLAN TO A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS UNLESS PAT CAME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, WELL WE HAVE A MEMO FROM OUR ENGINEERING INDICATING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT TWO STORM WATER SYSTEMS ARE FEASIBLE, BUT FINAL REVIEW WILL BE REQUIRED.
SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEER ON THE FINAL DESIGN.
AND THEN DOES, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, NO, NO.
WELL, I WOULD THINK THE FINAL DESIGN WILL COME WITH CONSTRUCTION.
I MEAN, THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION.
WELL, BUT YOU'RE ALSO CHANGING THE DRIVEWAY ON THE EXISTING, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HANDLE, ACCOMMODATE THAT.
WE ARE, THERE'S THREE CAL TECHS FOR THE NEW PAVEMENT AND WE'RE RE REDUCING A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
AND THE NEW HOUSE HAS FOUR CALTECH.
HAS DOUG REVIEWED THE CALL TEXT? HE'S, BECAUSE HE SAYS FINE, HE SAYS THAT IT'S FEASIBLE, BUT HE DIDN'T COMMENT ON ANY SPECIFIC DESIGN.
HE SENT, I I BELIEVE THAT DOUG IS SAYING THE SPIRIT OF, OF WHAT HE'S SAYING HERE IS THAT DESIGN RIGHT.
WHAT THE, THE APPLICANT IS HAS JUST SAID THAT WE WILL DO THE FINAL REVIEW WHEN WE GET PLANS FOR THE HOUSE.
UH, HE'S SAYING THAT THE STORM WATER SYSTEM, THEY ARE LOOKING, THEY ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS HOUSE THAT'S CONFORMING IS FEASIBLE.
IF IT'S, I MEAN, IF IT'S FEASIBLE, I, AND IF IT'S FEASIBLE, I'M COMFORTABLE.
WE DON'T NEED A FINAL DESIGN NOW.
BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A LOT SUBDIVISION.
WE CAN'T GET A FINAL DESIGN NOW 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE HOUSE IS GONNA GO.
EXACTLY WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ROOF IS GONNA BE.
WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA.
WE KNOW WHAT CONFORMS, WE KNOW WHAT WORKS, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT FITS ZONING.
SO I I I THINK THAT THE BOARD, OF COURSE, UP TO THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY, I THINK THE BOARD COULD MOVE FORWARD.
SO, SO THE THE NEXT STEP IS WE'LL NEED TO MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION ON THIS MATTER.
UM, AND SO I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS THAT WE HAVE OUR, OUR VILLAGE PLANNER PREPARE THAT DOCUMENT FOR NEXT MONTH AND, UM, AS HE'S BEEN DOING ON OTHER APPLICATIONS AND HE COULD ALSO PREPARE A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION RESOLUTION IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO MOVE TO YEAH.
WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THIS FOR A WHILE.
WE DON'T, THOSE RESOLUTIONS FOR NEXT MONTH.
THIS IS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO RE-NOTICE FOR THE
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FINAL NO.AND WE WILL BE OPENING IT UP FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC IN A MINUTE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLOSE OUT THE PROCESS HERE.
YOU DO FINAL AT THE SAME TIME? UM, NO.
WE DO A TWO STEP, BECAUSE YOU GOTTA GO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WE DO A PRELIMINARY, THEN YOU GET EVERYTHING FINALIZED, GET YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THEN JUST BRING IT BACK.
WE CAN'T START THE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS OUT HERE.
YOU CAN START THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS SOON AS WE GIVE YOU PRELIMINARY AND AN EGG DECK BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THEY WANT.
AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
BECAUSE WE LIKE TO HAVE THOSE AS YOU SEE WE JUST DID ON THE LAST HALF.
SO NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE DOING THAT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK OR MAKE COMMENTS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE.
WE'VE RUN OUT OF PUBLIC TONIGHT.
UM, SO ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT?
MOVING ON TO OUR FINAL OLD PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING.
IT'S SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION OF 5 5 5 WAR BURTON AVENUE, LLC FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING CREATING THREE COMMERCIAL SPACES AND 15 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TWO EXISTING BUILDING LOTS LOCATED AT 5 5 5 WAR BURTON AVENUE AND 15 SPRING STREET SAID PROPERTIES IN THE CC ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.30 DASH 22 DASH ONE AND 34 ON THE VILLAGE TAX MAPS.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS OBTAINED THE NECESSARY VARIANCES FROM THE ZBA AND VIEW PRESERVATION APPROVAL AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
SO, AND A RB APPROVAL AND A RB APPROVAL.
THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF SMALL THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO TWEAK, BUT THEY'VE GOT APPROVAL WITH, UM, THE CAVEAT THAT GOES A COUPLE OF SMALL TWEAKS ARE MADE.
SO AT THIS POINT WE JUST NEED TO PROCEED WITH THE CYRAN APPROVAL.
UM, DO UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THIS ONE FOR A WHILE FOREVER.
YEAH, THIS IS, WE'RE EXCITED THAT IT GOT ALL THE APPROVALS.
UM, LET ME, YOU MADE THE DISPATCH.
REALLY? UM, SO I ASSUME YOU SAID NO COMMENT
WELL LET'S FIRST SEE IF THE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? NO.
UM, SO DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA SAY ANYTHING
UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.
WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU HERE AND KNOW THAT YOU GOT ALL YOUR APPROVALS.
SO, UM, SO AT THIS POINT I THINK WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS AN APPROVAL RESOLUTION AND ASK OUR PLANNER TO PREPARE A DRAFT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, WE'LL NEED TO PREPARE A LIST OF CONDITIONS, INCLUDING ANY OPEN ITEMS FROM OUR ENGINEERS MEMOS.
UM, TYPICALLY WHAT OUR VILLAGE PLANNER DOES IS GO THROUGH ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND PULL OUT THE THINGS.
'CAUSE OVER TIME WE, WE'VE MENTIONED THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A GOOD USE OF OUR TIME TONIGHT TO TRY TO REMEMBER THEM.
HE DOES A GOOD JOB OF PULLING ALL THOSE TOGETHER.
SO WE'LL GET A DRAFT AND IF ONCE WE READ THE DRAFT, IF WE NOTICE SOMETHING'S MISSING, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD IT.
BUT, UM, IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH ASKING OUR VILLAGE PLANNER TO DRAFT THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING? YES.
I DON'T THINK THERE WERE A LOT HERE.
I KNOW THERE WAS, UM, SOME THINGS ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE ROOF DECKS.
YEAH, I THINK, I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING, SOMETIMES WE HAVE A LONG LIST, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE LOCATION OF GARBAGE
THERE'S CONDITIONS ARE ONLY THINGS THAT LIKE, AREN'T SHOWN EXACTLY.
LIKE OPENING HOURS TO CERTAIN THINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL LET, WE'LL LET HIM TAKE A LOOK.
THIS ONE HAD A, THIS ONE HAD A LIVE WORK APARTMENT.
THE ONLY THING THAT THE, THE, UM, A RB ADDED WAS A GUARD, A GUARDRAIL TO PROTECT THE FENCE FROM THE TRAFFIC IN THE PARKING LOT.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF A TIGHT TURN.
THEY DON'T NEED A CAR GOING THROUGH THE FENCE.
UM, AND THEY PROVIDED STRETCHES TO
IS THAT GUARDRAIL SHOWING ON, ON THESE PLANS YET? IS IT SOMETHING YOU CAN SHOW? UM, I HAVE THE A RB PRESENTATION.
DO YOU WANNA SEE IT? I MEAN, IT, IT'S A SITE PLAN CHANGE SO IT SHOULD GET SUBMITTED.
I MEAN 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE BE MY QUESTION TO, UH, TO CHARLES AFTERWARDS WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO SUBMIT IN TERMS OF MR I THINK IF THERE'S ANY BOARDS THERE, JUST SUBMIT IT TO US.
SO FOR THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE IT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED TO GO OVER IN DETAIL TONIGHT, BUT JUST SO THERE'S A PROPER FINAL SITE PLAN SET.
THAT IS WHAT THIS BOARD WILL BE APPROVING THAT.
SO YOU COULD, THEY COULD SHOW 'EM NOW OR DO YOU WANT, DO
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YOU WANT TO SEE IT? DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE GUARDRAIL NOW, OR? I IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.BUT JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FINAL, THIS BOARD GETS THE FINAL SET WITH THE A RB CHANGES.
SO SIMILAR TO THE A RB SET IS WHAT YOU'LL BE SUBMITTING.
AND I WILL SAY SOME OF THE A RB CONDITIONS MIGHT STILL BE OUTSTANDING, LIKE WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT DRINK AND WHATNOT.
WE, BUT THAT'S THAT ALL GO INTO THE FINAL MORE THE PLAN.
ALRIGHT, SO THE GUARDRAIL IS THE SITE PLAN ELEMENT.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE FINAL STEP AT THE NEXT MEETING.
[V. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS ]
HAVE ONE, UH, NEW PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND VIEW PRESERVATION ADVISORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF 5 68 WAR BURTON HASTINGS, LLC FOR THE RENOVATION TO AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO INCLUDE FOUR APARTMENTS, TWO LIVE WORK, AND A ROOFTOP DECK WITH A BULKHEAD, UH, AT 5 66 5 66 DASH 5 68 WAR BURTON AVENUE.SAID, PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE CC ZONING DISTRICT, IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.302426, AND 27 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS.
AND, UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED PROJECT? HI, GOOD EVENING.
UM, SUZANNE LEVINE, PROJECT ARCHITECT WITH CGA STUDIO.
UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING 5 68 WARBURTON HASTINGS, LLC, THE MANAGING DIRECTOR, LARRY MICHAEL EY IS HERE AS WELL.
UM, AND, UH, I'M GONNA BE TAKING YOU THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
UM, I THINK YOU ALL MAY RECOGNIZE THIS BUILDING, UH, AN EXISTING TWO STORY BRICK BUILDING, THE, UM, WHICH CURRENTLY HOUSES THE OFFICES OF GISI ARCHITECTS.
UM, IT'S IN THE CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UM, THE PROPOSAL, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING YOU THROUGH TONIGHT IS, IS NOT A CHANGE TO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IT IS, IT IS A CHANGE OF, UH, THE USE OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
UH, GI ARCHITECTS HAS BOTH FLOORS AT SOME POINT.
THEY, UH, CONVERTED TWO APARTMENTS IN THE BACK ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND FOUR APARTMENTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR INTO OFFICE SPACE.
SO THIS, THIS WHOLE BUILDING IS USED AS OFFICE SPACE.
UM, UH, AT SOME POINT THE FIRM WAS ABOUT 50 PEOPLE, SO THEY, THEY REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, USED EVERY CORNER OF THE SPACE.
UH, THIS IS AN AERIAL JUST TO SHOW YOU, THAT'S TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE A PART OF 10 BUILDINGS CONNECTED.
UM, AND IT'S THERE, IT'S ADJACENT TO AN ALLEYWAY THAT SEPARATES, UH, THE PROPERTY AND, UM, UH, THE BUILDING 4 64, WHICH IS THE OLDEST ORIA BANK BUILDING.
AND THIS IS OUR LOCATION MAP, UM, UH, BUILDING FACES WAR BURTON, AND IT BACKS, UH, ONTO PROPERTIES ON WHITMAN.
UM, THE, UH, SORRY, MY LASER IS NOT WORKING, BUT I CAN SHOW YOU HERE.
THIS IS THE ALLEY THAT, THAT SEPARATES 5 66 AND 5 64.
IT GOES TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WHERE THERE IS A, A FIVE FOOT PATH, CONCRETE PATH, UH, AND AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, WIDE, UH, GREEN SPACE.
AND THEN A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SHEER TALL, UH, UH, ROCK OUTCROP.
UM, AGAIN, THIS, THE, THE, UH, THE BUILDING IN ORANGE IS THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT.
UM, THIS IS THAT CONCRETE PATH IN THE BACK AND A CONCRETE PLATFORM AND THE GREEN SPACE.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, UH, CHANGING THE, WELL CHANGING THE, THE ALL COMMERCIAL SPACE TO FOUR UNIT RESIDENTIAL UNITS, TWO RESIDENTIAL AT THE SECOND FLOOR, AND TWO LIVE WORK UNITS AT THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE OPEN SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING A ROOF DECK, UH, WITH A BULKHEAD THAT WOULD HAVE A STAIR LEADING, UH, LEADING TO THE BULKHEAD.
WE ARE NOT BRINGING THE ELEVATOR UP, WE'RE JUST A STAIR.
UM, I, I WILL SAY THAT AS PART OF THIS RENOVATION, WE'RE REMOVING TWO NONCOM NON CODE COMPLIANT STAIR STAIRCASES.
AND WE ARE, UH, PUTTING IN A CODE COMPLIANCE STAIR AND AN ELEVATOR TO IMPROVE ACCESS IN THE BUILDING.
UM, I, I, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH DTS PROVEN THEY'RE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, AFTER OUR SUBMISSION TO YOU, THEY, UH, THEY HAD TO DO SOME TESTING TO SEE IF THE EXISTING, UH, STORM WATER SYSTEM TIED INTO THE VILLAGE STORM SYSTEM OR THE SEWER SYSTEM.
THEY'VE DONE THAT TESTING, THEY'VE DETERMINED THAT IT GOES INTO THE VILLAGE STORM SYSTEM.
UM, AND, UH, AS WELL, THEY'VE DONE A SCHOOL IMPACT STUDY AND A PARKING,
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UH, AND TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, WHICH WE WILL BE SUBMITTING TO YOU FORMALLY AS PART OF OUR NEXT PLANNING BOARD SUBMISSION.UM, I, THEY WERE ALSO ASKED TO, TO EXPLORE SOME IDEAS FOR STORM WATER RETAINAGE ON SITE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THE, OF THE, THE SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THAT WE COULD HELP IMPROVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RUNOFF INTO IN THE, IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
THEY'VE COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR A STORM WATER PLANTER THAT TIES INTO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
AND, UH, UM, I WILL GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF THAT, BUT WE'LL ALSO BE SUBMITTING THAT AS PART OF OUR NEXT ROUND OF DRAWINGS.
UM, THE BUILDING IS CODE-COMPLIANT IN ALL RESPECTS.
UM, UH, EXCEPT, UM, THE BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE ANY PARKING CURRENTLY.
UH, AND THERE'S NO SPACE FOR PARKING.
AND SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER OR A VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING WAIVER, THE FOUR UNITS AND THE, THE TWO LIVE WORK UNITS AND THE TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS REQUIRE SEVEN PARKING SPACES PER THE ZONING CODE.
UM, AND WE, UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR ZERO PARKING SPACES.
UM, I'M SORRY, HOW MANY? IT'S A WAIVER.
UM, HOW MANY, UH, BEDROOMS IN EACH UNIT? SO WE HAVE, UM, THE LIVE WORK UNIT, UH, THE, ON THE, ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WE HAVE A LIVE WORK UNIT THAT'S A, A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH, AND A LIVE WORK UNIT THAT'S A TWO BEDROOM, UH, TWO BATH.
ACTUALLY, LET ME, I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE PLANTS HERE.
UH, SO ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WE HAVE A ONE BEDROOM, ONE AND A HALF BATH, UH, AND, AND A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH.
AND THEN UPSTAIRS THEY'RE BOTH TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHS IN THE, OKAY.
THEY ENTER OFF THE STREET INTO A LOBBY.
SO THEY ENTER OFF THE STREET INTO THE, INTO A LOBBY.
UM, THIS IS REALLY THE PUBLIC SPACE WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN ENTER STOREFRONT STOREFRONT AREA.
AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MORE, UH, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THERE'S A, AN ELEVATOR, A STAIR, AND THIS IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE UNITS.
SO TO PUT THE PARKING INTO CONTEXT, AT THE HEIGHT OF SAL'S BUSINESS, THERE WAS ABOUT 30 EMPLOYEES.
OUR CODE REQUIRES ONE SPOT PER EMPLOYEE, PLUS ONE SPOT FOR EVERY 250 FOOT SQUARE FOOT OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
SO WE FIGURED IT'S ABOUT, THEY REQUIRE, AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR BUSINESS, THEY REQUIRE ABOUT 40 PARKING SPACES ROUGHLY.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE, IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS.
NOW, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT AND, AND BUDDY, WHEN IT, WHILE IT WAS ACTUALLY NEEDING 40 PARKING SPACES, IT WAS STILL PROVIDING ZERO PARKING SPACE.
AND THAT'S THE WAIVER PROVISION IN YOUR CODE.
ALLOWS YOU TO GIVE A WAIVER WHERE THE CHANGE OF USE IS GONNA RESULT IN A LOWER PARKING DEMAND THAN THE PRIOR USE.
YOU KNOW, UM, UH, DTS DID A PARKING AND TRAFFIC STUDY.
THE WAY THEY LOOKED AT IT, THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.
THEY LOOKED AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DETERMINED, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, THERE'S 4,614 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.
UM, THEY, THEY DETERMINED THAT THE ON STREET DEMAND FOR PARKING WOULD BE FOR NINE CARS BASED ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT THE ON STREET PARKING DEMAND FOR OUR FOUR UNITS, INCLUDING THE COM ALLOW, ALLOWING ONE FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND, UH, IT, IT, IT ENDED UP BEING, UH, A DIFFERENCE OF, OF MINUS TWO, SO THAT THE PROJECT, UH, IS ACTUALLY HAVING LESS DEMAND ON THE, ON STREET PARKING THAN THE CURRENT USE.
UM, JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
I WILL ALSO POINT OUT, AS YOU'VE, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, IT'S ABOUT A TWO MINUTE WALK TO THE TRAIN STATION.
UH, IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CONSIDER, UH, IT A, A, A GREAT WAY TO BRING HOUSING, UH, HOUSING UNITS TO THE DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN LIVE THERE WITHOUT HAVING A CAR OR THEY COULD USE, UM, UH, UTILIZE THE RESIDENT PARKING PERMITS, UH, WHEN AVAILABLE AT THE, AT THE VILLAGE LOTS.
SO WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER A WAIVER FOR PARKING FOR THIS PROJECT.
CURRENTLY, YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL SPACE, UM, DESK SPACE.
AND, UM, THIS IS JUST OUR DEMOLITION PLAN SHOWING, TAKING THOSE TWO STAIRCASES DOWN AND REPLACING, UH, AND TAKING SOME, YOU KNOW, THE INTERIOR PARTITIONS DOWN AND REPLACING ALL THE WINDOWS WITH, UM, UH, MORE, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS.
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND, AND REALLY EVERYTHING AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING STAYING THE SAME.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE LOOK OF
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THE BUILDING, THE, UM, QUESTION.SO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, WILL BE COMMERCIAL.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE YOU TO OUR FIRST FLOOR LAYOUTS.
LET'S, WITH THAT AND PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THAT, UH, WHICH IS IS MY CONCERN, UM, HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR AIR AND LIGHT INTO THE APARTMENT UNITS IF THE FRONT STOREFRONT IS BLOCKED OFF, RIGHT.
FOR OPERATIONAL? OR IS THE INTENT TO KEEP THE LIVING UNIT OPEN TO THE STOREFRONT AT ALL TIMES TO ALLOW FOR AIR AND LIGHT? YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO CREATE FLEXIBLE SPACE, UH, WITH THESE UNITS.
SO IF SOMEBODY LIVED HERE AND, AND USED THIS AS AN ART GALLERY OR AS AN ACCOUNTANT'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, TWO LARGE, UH, GLASS POCKET DOORS THAT CAN, WHEN CLOSED, WILL LET LIGHT IN FROM THE FRONT, UM, AND, UH, OR CAN BE LEFT OPEN FOR THE, FOR TO THE UNIT.
THIS, THIS IS, UM, THIS UNIT, WHEN WE GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE, THERE ARE LIGHT WELLS, UM, BUILT INTO TO ALL THE, THE CONNECTED BUILDINGS.
SO THERE'S A, A BIG SKYLIGHT HERE THAT GIVES LIGHT TO THIS PART OF THE, THE UNIT.
AND WE ARE, UM, AND THIS IS THE REASON THIS UNIT ONLY HAS ONE BEDROOM BECAUSE WE, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO GET A WINDOW, UH, SPACE INTO THIS BEDROOM.
WE'RE TAKING OUT A SMALL WINDOW AND WE'RE CREATING A DOOR OPENING HERE, UM, TO CONNECT THE, UH, THE UNIT TO THE, THE OUTDOOR AREA IN THE BACK.
UH, HERE WE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR GLASS.
WE HAVE THIS ALLEYWAY HERE, AND THERE'S EXISTING WINDOWS, UM, ALL ALONG THIS WALL AS WELL AS, UH, IN THE BACK.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE LIVE WORK, UM, THE LIVE WORK SPACE WE IS, IS CONNECTED BY A LARGE OPENING.
IT SEEMS LIKE THESE DAYS WE ALL, MANY OF US HAVE LIVED WORK SPACES.
UM, SO IS THERE A, A STANDARD THAT WE NEED TO MEET FOR THIS TO BE, WHAT KIND OF OF WORK HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE LIVE WORK SPACE? DO WE HAVE A THERE IS NO STANDARD A DEFINITION STANDARD.
THE CODE SAYS IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE LIVING SPACE ON THE STREET SCAPE.
IT HAS TO BE YOUR COMMERCIAL, A COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ISSUE YOUR PURVIEW IS TO ISSUE, AS LONG AS THE APARTMENT IS NOT IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IT CAN BE APPROVED BY THIS BOARD TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL IN THE REAR OF THE FIRST FLOOR.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST SHARE THAT.
I THINK, I THINK THIS IS TRICKY BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE THAT THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED HERE, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY A COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND WHILE I LOVE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF LIVE WORK IN CERTAIN PLACES, I, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ONE BEING WHERE IT IS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE DOWNTOWN, THAT PART OF THE DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK IT'LL CREATE A DEAD SPACE THAT IS REALLY DETRIMENTAL TO OUR DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK HAVING IT BE ACROSS FROM THE FIRE STATION, IT'S JUST, JUST THE WRONG PLACE, I THINK FOR, I'M JUST MM-HMM
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT RIGHT ALONG THE STRIP WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SMALL, A A LOT OF THE, THE STOREFRONTS ARE, ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN TOWN.
SMALL, SMALL ART, STU, ART, ART GALLERIES, UH, WOODWORKERS.
UM, SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UH, UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME EMPTY STOREFRONTS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK AS IT DOES TODAY WITH ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AND, AND STILL PROVIDE THE, UM, THE, THE SENSE OF HAVING THAT BUSINESS THERE, BUT BEING CONNECTED TO SOMEBODY WHO LIVES THERE.
I THINK THAT, IN MY OPINION, UM, THAT IF IT GETS, UM, DEVELOPED THIS WAY MOST, I THINK PEOPLE WILL END UP USING THAT AS LIVING SPACE.
'CAUSE I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE ARE VIABLE COMMERCIAL SPACES.
I, I THINK IF YOU KEEP THEM REALLY SEPARATE, UM, YEAH, I THINK OUR DOWNTOWN IS FULL OF GREAT EXAMPLES OF LITTLE SPACES FOR SERVICES AND ART GALLERIES AND NEW THINGS ARE POPPING UP ALL THE TIME.
BUT I, I JUST, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ONE.
I WANT US TO HAVE MORE HOUSING IN THE DOWNTOWN, BUT THIS ONE REALLY JUST, ANYWAY, NO, IT'S JUST THE FIRST FLOOR.
I THINK THE INK, THE CONCEPT OVERALL, IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT FOR THAT FIRST FLOOR, IT'S AN IMPORTANT BUILDING.
IT'S THE MAIN CORRIDOR, HASTING, CO COMMERCIAL, UH, CORRIDOR.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, FOR US, IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING THE STATUS QUO, EMPTY STOREFRONTS AS MUCH AS IT IS ABOUT TRYING TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND TRYING TO MORE PROMOTE A MORE VIBRANT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
UM, AT LEAST FOR THIS BUILDING, IT IS AN IMPORTANT BUILDING AESTHETICALLY, AND WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS AS WELL FROM OUR NEIGHBORS MM-HMM
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ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF, OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.SO TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PROSPECT FOR FUTURE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY ALONG OUR MAIN COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR BESIDES MAIN STREET.
OF COURSE, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THIS IS A VIABLE PLAN, UH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT RELIES HEAVILY ON THE AIR AND LIGHT COMING IN FROM THAT STOREFRONT, WHICH PRESUMES THAT THAT DOOR WOULD BE OPEN PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE TIME AND EVENTUALLY WOULD BECOME A LIVING SPACE MORE THAN A COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT.
AND, AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW WE STRUCTURE THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, UH, THAT THE SPACE HAS TO MAINTAIN, UH, UH, AESTHETICALLY, UH, THE FEEL OF A COMMERCIAL SPACE, UM, WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURS IN THERE.
I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE THAN, THAN MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ARE, BUT WHEN I WALK DOWN THE STREET, I DON'T WANT TO SEE, UH, RESIDENTIAL CURTAINS, UH, BLOCKING IT.
IT, UH, SO IF WE CAN CONTROL THAT FROM A SITE PLAN REVIEW, UH, THAT IF THAT WAS TO OCCUR, IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE SITE PLAN.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING FOR, FOR YOU TO ADDRESS.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS MORE ON THE ALLEYWAYS AND THE LIGHT WELLS.
UH, HOW DO THEY REALLY COMPLY WITH MULTIPLE DWELLING LAW? UH, BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE IN NEW YORK CITY IS VERY COMPLEX WITH CONVERSIONS WHERE THERE'S, UH, DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDING, UH, AND THE LOT LINE AND THE BUILDING, AND THE NEXT BUILDING.
HOW DOES THIS PROJECT, UH, COMPLY WITH, UH, M-M-M-D-L? UM, SO THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS HERE.
UM, I GUESS, UH, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT I THINK THIS IS NOT AN, UH, I THINK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING INTO THE RECORDS, THERE WAS NOT AN OFFICIAL CHANGE OF USE TO COMMERCIAL.
THERE WAS NO, UM, UH, THE FIRM DID NOT COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND SAY, WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.
THERE WAS NO RECORD OF, UH, UH, AND THERE, AND AT, SO AT SOME POINT THERE WAS RESI TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, WHAT DOES THE C OF O SAY NOW? IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT I, AND I, IN, IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS, WE ARE NOT ADDING, UM, ANY NEW WINDOWS, UH, AT THE, AT THE LOT LINE, UH, THIS IS, UM, EXISTING.
WE'RE NOT ADDING, WE'RE NOT ADDING, UM, ANY MORE.
UM, WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO ADD ANY MORE WINDOWS INSIDE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT MY QUESTION.
WHEN I'M DOING CONVERSIONS IN MIDTOWN, UH, UH, IF MY BUILDING, WHICH HAS WINDOWS IS TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, OR TOO CLOSE TO THE NEXT BUILDING, UH, IT'S NOT A LEGAL LIGHT AND AIR, UH, WINDOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO IT'S NOT THE ADDITION OF ADDING WINDOWS, IT'S WHERE THE WINDOW IS IN RELATION TO THE LOT LINE IN THE NEXT BUILDING.
UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN SPEAK TO IT.
THE WINDOWS NOT BEING, UM, ALLOWABLE BY FOR EGRESS.
I'VE, I'VE, I'VE HAD PROJECTS WHERE I'VE HAD TO SHAVE OFF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE MY WINDOWS WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE LOT LINE OR THE NEXT BUILDING.
THESE WINDOWS ARE ON THE LOT LINE.
THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT ALLOWABLE.
SO IT'S REALLY AN MD I'M ASKING MDL QUESTION.
AND IN TERMS OF VENTILATION, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE DAYS MOST OF OUR PROJECTS HAVE A VENTILATION SYSTEM.
UM, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY ARE DIFFERENT.
THE, UM, MDL REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, IN A LARGE CITY ARE DIFFERENT.
I'LL JUST SAY I, I THINK I, I'LL JUST, I, I FEEL THAT, UM, RESTORING, UM, LIKE HALF THE, THE FIRST FLOOR TO RESIDENTIAL AND HAVING ACTUAL COMMERCIAL SPACES NOT LIVE WORK IN THE FRONT, FACING THE FRONT, GOING BACK PAST THAT LITTLE TINY AREA THERE IS WHAT I WOULD PREFER.
UM, IN TERMS, I, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH HOUSING.
IT CAN GO BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL USE OF HOUSING.
I JUST, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING THIS AS LIVE WORK.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK REGULATING THE CURTAINS IS GONNA CHANGE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE IT FOR THEIR HOME OFFICE.
THEY'RE GONNA LIKE PUT THE CURTAINS UP, BUT THEY'LL HAVE A TV THERE.
IT'LL JUST BE VERY STRANGE AND REAL SHAME FOR A, A BEAUTIFUL RESOURCE IN OUR DOWNTOWN.
SO THEY CAN DO REAR RESIDENTIAL.
WE COULD APPROVE REAR RESIDENTIAL, JUST NOT STREET FACING RESIDENTIAL.
SO IF THE BACK WERE, SAY, SMALLER APARTMENTS, OR IF SOMEHOW, AND YOU COULD HAVE A TWO STORY APARTMENT, YOU COULD HAVE THE KITCHEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE LARGER YOU, YOU COULD DO OTHER THINGS.
THIS IS NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION.
I'M NOT FEELING THIS SOLUTION AS, AS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FEELING THAT THE, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE SHOULD
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BE A REAL TO THERE.DOES THAT FEEL GOOD TO YOU AND SEPARATE AND SEPARATE FROM THE LIVE, NOT LIVE WORK, LIKE SEPARATE DIVERSION AND YOU DON'T WANT ANY ACCESS FROM, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO, UH, SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, NEW THINKING FOR HOUSING, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS THIS WORD FLEXIBLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL SPACES IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE WERE TRYING TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
AND I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY'S LIVING, LIVING SPACE.
AND IT'S HARD TO, I THINK PEOPLE, IT'S HARD.
TAKE IT IN, YOU KNOW, AND USE IT FOR A LIVING.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY ALWAYS, YEAH.
PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GONNA WANNA, OH, LET'S THROW THE KIDS TOYS IN THERE, WHATEVER.
IT, I JUST DON'T SEE, OR COULD JUST BE LIKE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S, YOU KNOW, WHO'S, BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT ENLARGING THE SPACE.
I STILL THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE IT CONNECTED, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, UM, IT'S ONLY A FEW, YOU KNOW, A FEW FOOTSTEPS AWAY.
WE CAN, UM, CERTAINLY RESTRICT AS A CONDITION, THE USE OF, OF THE FRONT SPACE THAT THERE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOME COMMERCIAL USE AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR ZONING.
'CAUSE THE ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL IN THE FRONT.
UM, YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHAT SOMEONE'S DOING THERE.
AND BECAUSE THOSE FRONT WINDOWS HAVE TO BE PRESERVED, I THINK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
IF IT'S A SEPARATE COMMERCIAL SPACE, THERE WON'T BE THAT ABILITY TO JUST KIND OF LIKE, HAVE THE LIVING JUST KIND OF LIKE BLEED IN THERE.
I, AGAIN, IF IT WERE IN A DIFFERENT PART OF IT, IF IT WERE ON THE EDGE OF DOWNTOWN, LIKE TOWARDS, UM, BROADWAY, LET'S SAY, I THINK I'D BE MORE OPEN TO IT.
BUT WHERE IT IS, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS.
WELL, AND YOUR OTHER BUILDING THAT I'M, I'M SORRY.
OH, BUT, UM, WE JUST, I I BELIEVE YOU JUST APPROVED A LIVE WORK UNIT AT FIVE.
WELL, I WAS GONNA REFERENCE THAT, THAT THAT OTHER LIVE WORK UNIT THOUGH HAS, I THINK THE SECOND FLOOR LIVING AREA.
SO THE FIRST FLOOR COULD, YEAH, IT HAS A SORT OF AN OPEN LOFT.
I MEAN, IT'S OPEN TO THE, IT'S ALSO ON SPRING STREET.
IT'S NOT, IT'S A DIFFERENT, AND IT'S ON SPRING, IT ISN'T OUR MAIN RIGHT.
I WANT THESE, I'M GOING, I'M MORE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH RICHARD AND I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH YOU, EVA.
I, I THINK WHAT, AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING AND MAKE IT INTO A BUSINESS SPACE, WHATEVER THE NATURE OF, OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS CHANGING THE DAYS WHEN, WHEN WE WANTED TO HAVE A LAWYER'S OFFICE OR A, OR A RETAIL SPACE IN ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL SPACE, THOSE ARE GONE.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND THE NATURE OF OUR, OF OUR BUILDINGS IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY CREATE ENOUGH, UM, SPACE TO HAVE A, TO HAVE A, UH, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DEDICATE ENOUGH SPACE TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE.
I THINK THE NATURE OF LIVE WORK IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING AND NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING IN OUR TOWN.
AND I THINK WE CAN'T BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE WAY IT'S GONNA LOOK AS LONG AS SOMEONE COMPLIES WITH, UH, WITH OUR LAWS.
THAT'S JUST, I'M JUST PROVIDING A COUNTERPOINT OF OPINION.
YEAH, THAT IS, AND I, AND I'M DOING THIS DELIBERATELY 'CAUSE YOU'RE OUR CHAIR AND YOU'RE SPEAKING
AND THAT'S WHY I, I'M DOING IT.
THAT'S, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S OUR CHAIR SPEAKING, BUT
AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, FOR ME, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE ACTIVITY PER SE, AS MUCH AS THE LIVING ASPECT LEADING INTO YEAH.
THE COMMERCIAL, UH, SPACE AND GIVING THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A LIVING SPACE MORE THAN A COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER ACTIVITY IS TAKING PLACE, SCULPTING, WHATEVER, UH, UM, NOT SO MUCH CONCERN ABOUT THAT AS MUCH AS THAT ASPECT OF IT, NOT HONORING THE HISTORY OF THAT BUILDING AND THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT WAR BURTON IS.
SO YOU'RE HEARING TWO DIFFERENT MESSAGES.
ONE, AND I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY.
ONE IS, YEAH, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, AN EXACT USE, BUT ALSO THE AESTHETIC OF A USE.
UH, TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, I WAS DOING A, UM, A SENIOR FACILITY ON HUNDRED 25TH STREET, AND THEY JUST WANTED TO HAVE A BLANK WALL.
WE REQUIRED THEM TO HAVE A RETAIL, UH, FEELING OF THE BUILDING.
SO AS YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET, THERE WAS LIGHT SPILLAGE, IT, IT REPLICATED THE REST OF HUNDRED 25TH STREET.
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CONCERN IS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE A BREAKAGE IN, IN THE, THE FEEL OF OF, OF OUR COMMERCIAL AREA.I MEAN, I WILL POINT OUT NOTHING IS CHANGING HERE, AND THIS IS QUITE A LOT OF GLASS.
UH, FOR SOMEBODY TO USE THIS AS THEIR, YOU KNOW, PLAYROOM.
AND ONE WOULD HOPE THAT, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE USED APPROPRIATELY.
UM, IF MAKING THE SPACE BIGGER AND NOT CONNECTING IT TO THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE, YOU, IF YOU FEEL THAT'S IMPORTANT, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS, THESE UNITS ARE VERY SMALL.
UM, BUT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEFER TO YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.
AND WHAT ARE, UH, WHAT ARE THE CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE RESIDENTIAL SPACES ON AS DESIGNED NOW? SO, AS DESIGNED, WE HAVE HERE, THIS ONE IS THE ONE BEDROOM.
IT'S 934 SQUARE FEET WITH 146 SQUARE FEET OF STOREFRONT.
THIS ONE IS 1,036 WITH 141 SQUARE FEET OF THE STOREFRONT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
WE'LL MENTION JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON.
BUT IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO HAVE THE NEW CORE PRIVATE FROM THE, FROM THE, THE PUBLIC SPACE.
AND I THINK MAKING THESE, UM, THESE STOREFRONTS LARGER, THIS ALL GETS PUSHED BACK, UH, AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING, UH, TO GET THE UNITS TO WORK.
NOTHING IS VIABLE THEN, UH, ESPECIALLY AT THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, YOU CAN SEE MOVING THIS CORE, UH, BACK WILL REALLY, UH, IMPACT OUR BEDROOM LAYOUT.
THIS IS, THIS WAS A PUZZLE TO GET THIS TO WORK.
UM, AS WE'RE UPSTAIRS, WE, THIS UNIT IS 1157 AND THIS IS 1201.
UM, WE TRY TO MAINTAIN AN OPEN LIVING SPACE HERE TO LET THE LIGHT FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, COME INTO THE, TO COME INTO THE BUILDING.
THIS UNIT, THIS SECOND FLOOR UNIT HAS WINDOWS ALL ALONG THE SIDE.
UM, BUT WE REALLY ARE JUST TRYING TO GET WINDOWS IN THE BEDROOMS. UM, THIS IS THAT LIGHT.
WELL, AND IT, IT LET, IT, LETS, UH, LIGHT INTO, INTO THIS PART OF THE, THE APARTMENT.
MAYBE I'LL SHOW YOU THE REST OF THE SLIDES AND WE'LL THINK ABOUT IT AS WE GO THROUGH.
UM, THIS IS THE STAIR CORE COMING UP TO THE ROOF.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING ROOF AND PARAPET.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A GLASS RAILING SETBACK THREE FEET FROM THE PARAPET TO CREATE ROOF DECK SPACE AND, AND A MECHANICAL AREA FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, THE FOUR UNITS.
I'M SORRY, DID YOU NO, IT'S JUST, I RECALL READING, I THINK SOME OF THE WHITMAN STREET NEIGHBORS ABOVE PROBABLY ARE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROOF.
I HAVE VIEW STUDIES, I HAVE USED STUDIES TO SHOW.
WE YOU GOT A LETTER FROM ONE OF 'EM.
OH, IT'S, UH, YEAH, I JUST GAVE ROOFTOP DECK.
THE, AND POTENTIAL, THE ROOFTOP DECK AND POTENTIAL NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
MENTIONING IT, UH, TO BE ON THE RECORD THAT, UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, UM, WHITMAN AND, AND THE DOWNTOWN.
UM, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THIS IS OUR ALLOWABLE HEIGHT LINE UP HERE.
UH, THIS IS OUR, OUR SETBACK BULKHEAD FOR THE, FOR THE STAIR AND OUR, AND OUR RAILING.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS STAYING THE SAME.
THIS IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
THESE ARE THE NEW DOORS WE'RE PUTTING IN TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND THIS IS, UH, THE BACK OF THE BULKHEAD.
THE BULKHEAD HAS BEEN MINIMIZED, UH, TO JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE US WHAT WE NEED TO GET UP THE STAIR AND OUT ONTO THE ROOF DECKS.
AGAIN, THIS IS OUR HEIGHT LINE, AND THIS IS THE BACKYARD.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPOGRAPHY BACK HERE.
THIS IS THE, THE, THE, UM, THAT CONCRETE PATH.
AND HERE'S THAT GREEN SPACE, AND HERE'S THAT SHEER ROCK CLIFF.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, LET'S LOOK AT, UM, WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME, UM, VIEW STUDIES HERE.
WE CHOSE 33 WHITMAN, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UH, THEY WERE ALSO VERY GRACIOUS, LED US INTO THE HOUSE TO TAKE PICTURES.
UM, THIS, THESE REVIEWS JUST SHOWING YOU OF WHITMAN, WE'RE UP ON THE ROOF HERE, THE EXISTING ROOF, A LOT OF UTILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, UH, VENTS.
AND, UH, THIS, THIS IS 33 WHITMAN BACK HERE.
WE'RE LOOKING BACK TOWARD WHITMAN.
AND THEN THESE JUST SHOW YOU VIEWS, UM, VIEWS OF THE, OF, OF THE TOWN AND THE RIVER FROM, FROM, UM, OUR SITE.
AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HOUSES ON WHITMAN, THEIR BACKYARDS FACE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON WARBURG.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS IS THEIR CURRENT VIEW.
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YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY WE ARE LOOKING AT THEIR VIEWS OF THE RIVER AND PALISADES.SO I GUESS WE CAN, UM, DISCUSS, UH, THE IMPACT OF HAVING A ROOF DECK SPACE UP THERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT THE, UH, THE, I'M GONNA GO TO A BLOW UP HERE.
WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING VIEW FROM THE SECOND FLOOR, AND WE DID A, A RENDERING OF THE BULKHEAD AND THE RAILING.
UM, AND I, I THINK IT SHOWS, IT REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT THE RIVER VIEW.
UH, WE ALSO WENT UP TO THEIR THIRD FLOOR, UM, AND HAS LESS OF AN IMPACT.
BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE SCALE.
UM, IT ALSO GIVES YOU AN IDEA, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD SEE IN TERMS OF THE ROOF DECKS FROM, FROM THEIR HOUSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM THIS SORT OF, UM, UNSIGHTLY ROOFSCAPE TO, UH, TO A ROOFSCAPE WITH A REALLY ELEGANT GLOSS RALLYING AND, YOU KNOW, COMPOSITE DECKING, UH, WITH A FEW, WE HAVE, UM, PRIVACY DIVIDERS.
UM, BUT THE, I, UH, SO THE FOUR UNITS CAN HAVE THEIR SEPARATE SPACE.
UM, BUT I, UM, AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON PLANTS, THE HEIGHT OF THINGS, UMBRELLAS.
I DON'T THINK THE UMBRELLAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ARE GONNA IMPACT THE VIEW.
UM, BUT WE COULD PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOVELY SPACE TO LOOK AT.
UM, AND I GUESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS A CHANGE, BUT YEAH, TO BE CONSIDERED.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S, SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD MORE HOUSING IN THE DOWNTOWN, THE ONE THING THAT'S LOCKING IS OUTDOOR SPACE.
AND IT JUST SEEMS THESE ROOFS ARE A REALLY NICE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE, THE RESIDENTS OUTDOOR SPACE.
DID YOU CONSIDER A GREEN ROOF? WELL, WE CONSIDERED IT.
UM, I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT SOME STORMWATER RETAINAGE IDEAS.
UM, WE DID CONSIDER IT, BUT IN, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING, UM, AND I MEAN, I THINK YOU, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS MAYBE IT COULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE IF IT WAS A GREEN ROOF, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, ON WHITMAN.
IS THAT YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, I, I, I, UM, YEAH, I MEAN,
WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT, I GUESS THE REASON WE DECIDED AGAINST IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IT MORE FOR, UM, SOME IMPACT ON THE STORMWATER.
AND, AND WE FELT, UM, UH, WELL, THERE WAS A FEW CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT USING THE ROOF FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY ENTAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE OF THAT ROOF TO, TO MAKE IT A STRONGER STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH IMPACTS COSTS.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND WITH THE VERY SHALLOW GREEN ROOF SYSTEMS, UM, THEY REALLY DON'T RETAIN THAT MUCH WATER.
UM, SO WE, UH, WE SET THAT ASIDE TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE BACKYARD.
THIS IS, UM, THIS IS FROM, UM, DTS.
AND THIS IS JUST A SORT OF AN IDEA TO DISCUSS AND WE'LL FOLLOW, UH, WITH, WITH A MORE DEVELOPED IDEA AND THE, UM, UH, DRAWINGS AND THE STORMWATER ANALYSIS.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, IS TO CREATE A, A STORMWATER PLANTER ABOUT 18 FEET BY FOUR FEET, UM, AND, AND CONNECT IT WITH UNDERGROUND PIPES TO THE EXISTING UNDERGROUND SYSTEM, WHICH TIES INTO THIS, UH, THE, THE VILLAGE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
AND I THINK IT'S A VERY, UM, ELEGANT SOLUTION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE TO, YOU KNOW, DIG FOR, FOR CALTECH.
UM, THE ROOF IS, BECOMES AN ISSUE WITH THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO THIS, THIS IS, UH, A NICE IDEA THERE, THERE, AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A CONCRETE WALK HERE, AND THERE WAS A LITTLE STRIP OF GREEN SPACE HERE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, THAT BECAUSE THIS GREEN SPACE IS NOT REALLY IN GREAT SHAPE, THAT IT, THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY CAUSING QUITE A BIT OF RUNOFF TO THE BUILDING.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THIS ALL WITH PERMEABLE PAVERS ON A, ON A GRAVEL BED, UH, WITH A, WITH A RUNOFF ALSO TIED TO THE, TO, TO THE, TO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
UM, THIS, THIS IS UNBUILDABLE, THIS IS THE, THE, THE ROCK WALL.
UM, AND, UM, AS WE WERE LOOKING IN THE BACKYARD, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, THERE'S TWO TREES HERE THAT, UH, ARE, ARE DYING AND NOT VIABLE.
WE HAD AN ARBORIST COME TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
UM, SO PART OF THIS PLAN WOULD BE TAKING DOWN THESE TREES.
UM, AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S REALLY A, UH, A DIFFICULT SPACE.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE LIKE TO SEE 50% OF THE DIAMETER TAKEN DOWN REPLACED.
UH, THESE ARE, THESE TREES ARE, ARE DYING AND, UH, THERE'S REALLY LIMITED SPACE FOR, FOR TREE REPLACEMENT.
UM, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT I'D FEEL YOU OUT ON THAT IF WE'RE PROVIDING, UM, THE STORMWATER PLANTER, UH, IN LIEU OF THAT, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY AN IDEAL SPACE FOR TREES BACK THERE.
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MADAM CHAIR.NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A BETTER LOOK AT THE DEEP RESERVATION HERE, I GOING TO RECOMMEND A WAIVER INSTEAD OF A FULL HEARING ON THE NEW PRESERVATION BECAUSE IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THE, ON THE RIVER OF THE PALISADES.
UM, I CAN OFFICIALLY SEND THAT OUT TO YOU TOMORROW.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE REVIEWED BY BOTH CHAIRS.
YOU WOULD HAVE YOU AND JERRY WOULD'VE TO REVIEW IT AND GET BACK TO ME.
ARE YOU SAYING WE SHOULD JUST APPROVE A ROOFTOP DECK? NO, NO, NO.
THAT HAS NOT THE, IT'S COMPLETELY FROM THAT BECAUSE I'M LIKE, I'M NOT READY TO DO THAT.
NO, THIS ONLY HAS TO DO WITH THE VIEW, VIEW VIEW PRESERVATION.
'CAUSE THERE NOTHING'S, YEAH, NO, NOTHING TO DO.
I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
WOULD YOU ALSO CONSIDER THE PARKING WAIVER, UH, AT THIS MEETING? I THINK THEY WANNA FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE FIRST.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S HEALTHY THAT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE ANY, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SPEAK UP AND, YOU KNOW, COMMENT IF YOU FEEL READY TO SAY ANYTHING.
I ACTUALLY, WHAT I WANNA SAY IS THAT, THAT I LEARNED FROM YOU GUYS.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAD OCCURRED TO ME OR THAT I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT.
SO IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD TO HEAR MULTIPLE VIEWPOINTS ON IT, ABOUT THAT ISSUE THAT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE COULD BE POTENTIALLY BLED INTO.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT CONCERN.
WELL, ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S THE ROOM THAT GETS THE MOST LIGHT.
UM, IT'S GOT ALL THE WINDOWS, SO THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT STIPULATES WHAT KIND OF OCCUPATION CAN BE IN A LIVE WORK.
IT'S GOTTA BE A COMMERCIAL USE.
THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL USE, UH, OR NON-RESIDENTIAL IN 146 SQUARE FEET.
DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT KIND OF, I MEAN, ANYWAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK PRACTICALLY ABOUT LIKE WHAT GOES, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT COULD PUSH THAT COMMERCIAL BACK, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IS A COMMERCIAL USE, ME BEING A PLANNER IN MY, MY FRIEND OF MY APARTMENT, I THINK THAT'S PROFESSIONAL, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE PERMITTED.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT LAWYERS, ACCOUNTANTS, ARCHITECTS, ALL OF THOSE IN STOREFRONTS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, THIS IS AN ARCHITECT NOW.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW GISELE JUST HAS ITS FRONT ENTRANCE AND A CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THESE PARTITIONS ARE LOCATED, RIGHT? WHERE, THIS IS HIS RECEPTION AREA, UH, THEIR RECEPTION AREA.
AND THIS IS THE CONFERENCE ROOM.
UH, SO IT SEEMED LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A, UM, A GOOD SEPARATION POINT.
UM, AND WHILE IT'S NOT AS INTERESTING AS PENNY LAKE, AT LEAST YOU WALK BY AND YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S WORK GOING ON THERE.
IT'S A COMMERCIAL, UH, OFFICE THERE.
AND I HOPE IT'D BE SOMETHING MORE EXCITING IN THE FUTURE
IT IS PART OF THE WALKING COMMERCIAL HISTORY AND YEAH.
AND I, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, I THINK, TOM, YOU MAKE REALLY GOOD POINTS AND I'VE BEEN, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT WHAT TO DO.
WE HAVE TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL SPACE, NOT JUST IN HASTINGS, BUT UNIVERSALLY, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE TOO MUCH RETAIL AND A LOT OF IT STAYS VACANT.
SO THERE, THIS IS NOT AN EASY QUESTION.
I JUST, I JUST BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION AND WHAT, WHAT I, I THINK KATE MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT TOO ABOUT, I'M JUST PICTURING THAT SPACE.
ANY HOMEOWNER WHO BUYS THAT AS ONE OR RENTS IT AS ONE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE INCENTIVE TO USE IT AS SORT OF LIVING SPACE, I THINK.
BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE DEBATING, BUT I MEAN, SO MANY PEOPLE WORK FROM HOME NOW.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT, UM, LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND SO I JUST, I, I COULD SEE IT BOTH WAYS, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT MAKING THE, THE SPACES A BIT LARGER.
I STILL LIKE TO KEEP, MAYBE COME BACK WITH SOME SCHEMES, THEM CONNECTED, NOT CONNECTED, AND MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.
ANY OTHER, UM, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
NO, I, I THOUGHT LINDA MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN, UM, SET SOME STIPULATIONS ON THE NATURE OF, DID YOU LINDA, OR DID I YEAH, BUT I MEAN, AND IT ALREADY EXISTS IN YOUR ZONING.
YOU CAN ONLY ALLOW RESIDENTIAL IN THE REAR OF THE FRONT FLOOR.
I GUESS I MEANT THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL.
UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REGULATED.
IT COULD BE ANYTHING COMMERCIAL, BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED IN CENTRAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
BUT YOU COULD PUT STIPULATIONS ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU COULDN'T PUT CURTAINS TO BLOCK OFF, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE MAINTAINING THE FACADE.
UH, IF WE PUT CURTAINS, UH, ACROSS IT, IT KIND OF DEFEATS
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THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT COMMERCIAL CHARACTER.SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS.
YOU COULD PUT CONDITIONS ON HOW THE FACADE HAS TO BE MAINTAINED.
I'LL JUST SAY SOMETHING THAT I WAS KIND OF SAYING OFFLINE TO ERNESTO, WHICH IS THAT IT'S A, IT'S A LOVELY, ELEGANT LITTLE BUILDING WITH A, UM, AND, AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE AND THE, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF THE DETAIL, IF YOU, YOU LOOK AT THOSE FRONT WINDOWS, THOSE ARE, IT'S JUST A REALLY NICE BUILDING.
AND SO PRESERVING IT IS A WORTHY EFFORT.
I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO ANALYZE.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT IF, LET'S SAY THE COMMERCIAL SPACE GOT EXPANDED IT, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW THAT MIGHT EXPAND POSSIBILITIES FOR COMMERCIAL VERSUS THE SMALLER 146 FOOT SPACE? ANY IMAGINING AROUND, OKAY, IF WE DID MOVE IT BACK, IT OPENS UP MORE POSSIBILITIES FOR USING THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS JUST SORT OF A HOME OFFICE TYPE OF PLACE, OR, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE AS IS IT DEFINITELY LENDS ITSELF TO BEING A, LIKE A HOME OFFICE OFFICE OR, WHEREAS IF YOU WERE TO, IN ONE OF YOUR RENDERINGS, MOVE IT BACK, DO WE START TO ENVISION MORE OF AN LIKE AN ARTIST STUDIO? LIKE I DON'T, NOT DEPENDING, UNLESS YOU WERE LIKE WORKING IN MINIATURES, YOU MIGHT NOT BE
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO FIGURE OUT.
I'M JUST LIKE, AS WE'RE TRYING TO IMAGINE THE SITE IS THERE, LIKE DO, DOES THE VILLAGE GAIN MORE ECONOMIC ENTERPRISE IF IT'S ABLE TO EXPAND THE, THE WORKSPACE OF THE LIVE WORKSPACE MORE THAN, THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE NOW, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO IMAGINE JUST KIND OF A HOME OFFICE.
I WOULD SUGGEST EVEN SPEAKING WITH, UH, THE VILLAGE'S, UH, DOWNTOWN ADVOCATE IN TERMS OF WHAT SHE'S FOUND, UH, IS THE IDEAL, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE A SURVEY OF THE EXISTING, UH, STOREFRONTS IN THEIR SIZES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MINIMUM STOREFRONT SIZE IN THE ZONING CODE THAT I COULD FIND.
UM, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT ADDING ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, 50, A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, UM, MAKES THAT USE MORE FLEXIBLE, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, AND I'M KIND OF UNDECIDED.
SO YOU HEARD, WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
COME BACK WITH BETTER DESIGN
THINK IF YOU CAN SOME INFORMATION ON SORT OF TALK, TALK, TALK TO BARB, SEE WHAT SHE SAYS ABOUT SORT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THESE DAYS.
LOOK AT WHAT ELSE EXISTS, UM, REALLY LONG WALL BURTON.
UM, AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN OFFER IN TERMS OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD PRESERVE THAT.
UM, I GUESS I WOULD ASK, UM, IN TERMS OF THE ROOF DECK IS, UM, IT IS THIS, UM, AN ISSUE DO YOU THINK WITH YOUR, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, I'M NOT SOLD ON ON A ROOF DECK.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT YOU WITHOUT COMMENTS FROM ONE.
I THINK YOU JUST GOT ONE AND IT WAS FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THE BANK BUILDING.
UM, TO ME, THAT'S NOT THE CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S HELPFUL TO GET SOME FEEDBACK, BUT I JUST, I, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY OTHER ROOF DECK ON ANY OF THAT STRETCH OF THE QUARTER? LIKE IT, UM, WE'RE PUTTING ROOF DECKS ON 5, 5, 5? WELL, I KNOW THAT'S, IT'S 5, 5, 5.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S A RE-IMAGINING OF THE DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING, I'M, I'M STANDING ON THE PERSON'S PORCH HERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THEIR BACKYARD WITH A FENCE, YOU KNOW.
UM, IT'S DOESN'T, UH, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN SEE THIS ROOF DECK WHEN YOU'RE, YEAH.
THIS IS THERE WHEN YOU'RE DOWN IN THEIR YARD, THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW? UM, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THEY HAVE A THIRD FLOOR ON THEIR, ON THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR, IN THEIR HOUSE AS WELL.
UM, BUT I THINK GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE PANORAMIC RIVER VIEW AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, THE NATURE OF LOOKING AT A DOWNTOWN FROM YOUR HOME, UM, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'S KIND OF NICE, BUT, UM, THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE EXISTING ROOFSCAPE PROBABLY BE HELPFUL.
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ARE YOU DOING WITH ALL THOSE MECHANICALS THAT ARE UP THERE NOW? WE HAVE A MECHANICAL AREA THAT, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT HAS A, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WILL BE SHIELDED.PROBABLY WILL BE NICE TO SEE SOME, SOME, SOME KIND OF DESIGN FOR THE ROOF DECK.
THAT'LL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPELLING ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO SEE IT.
A VISUAL, VISUAL AESTHETIC LEAD.
IT COULD SHOW, SHOW THAT, SHOW THIS ENCLOSURE FOR THE MECHANICALS, GIVE A BETTER WRITE LA CONCERN.
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CONSIDER YEAH.
I MEAN THIS WAS JUST A, A KIND OF A SCHEMATIC LAYOUT, BUT I IMAGINE HAVING, UH, LIKE BUILTIN PLANTERS OR, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO JUST MAKE IT LESS LIKE A SEA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, FLOORING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
BUT I WAS A COMMENT ABOUT BARBECUES OR FIRE PITS.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, ALLOWED.
THEY'RE ALREADY NOT ALLOWED BY, BY FIRE CODE.
NOT ALLOWED IN THE MULTIFAMILY, NO, THAT'S NOT FIRE RATED.
AND I GUESS I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THE PARKING AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S A BUILDING THAT THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR PARKING.
THIS BUILDING WAS USED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WE ARE GOING FROM THE ORIGINAL BUILDING HAD SIX UNITS WHERE WE HAVE FOUR, UH, TO, IT'S A NET, UH, YOU KNOW, NET, UH, POSITIVE IN TERMS OF ON STREET PARKING.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO FEEL YOU OUT ABOUT THAT SO IT CAN INFORM OUR, UM, COMING BACK TO YOU.
I DON'T, I ALSO, FOR THE RECORD, I LOVE A ROOF DECK.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I GENUINELY DON'T.
I THINK THAT IF TO MAKE THOSE SECOND FLOOR UNITS VIABLE, I THINK THEY NEED OUTDOOR SPACE.
UH, BUT I, I MEAN, I THINK SEEING IT AND HOW IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT AND HOW IT WOULD, UM, BE LAID OUT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
JUST ECHOING SOME OF THE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR, JUST MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR TO THE OWNER.
OH, PERSONALLY, PERSONALLY TELL IT'S FIRE.
I THINK WE'LL MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.
IT THERE'LL BE A CONDITION OF OF THE, OF THE, IF IT GOT PASSED.
LINDA, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE ALLY OWNERSHIP ISSUE? THE ALLEY GOT LOST.
IT GOT LOST IN THE DISCUSSION, OR NO, IT GOT LOST IN OWNERSHIP.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT NEVER GOT CONVEYED OUT ON EITHER PROPERTY.
SO SOMEBODY WHO OWNED THIS AND OWNED THE ALLEYWAY CONVEYED IT WITHOUT THE ALLEYWAY.
LIKE, I, I MEAN, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH ALL THE DEEDS, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR TITLE COMPANY WILL BE ABLE TO.
AND THEY OWN, THEY JUST, THEY DIDN'T CONVEY.
SO IT'S BASICALLY, UM, NO MAN'S LAND.
IT'S OWNED BY SOMEBODY WHO OWNED IT IN 1922 AND SOLD EVERYTHING ELSE.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT, BUT IT'S A, I GUESS IT'S NOT EVEN A RIGHT OF WAY.
ONE I SPOKE TO ON THE PHONE TODAY WHO WROTE THE LETTER, SAID THAT THAT USED TO BE A STAIRCASE COMING DOWN FROM WHITMAN STREET.
AS A, AS A YOUNG GIRL, UHHUH GOING DOWN THE STAIRS AND GOING INTO THE DOWNTOWN.
BUT DO YOU SEE HOW STEEP THIS IS? I DON'T.
THE VILLAGE, THE VILLAGE USED TO HAVE A, LIKE A DOZEN OR SO STAIRCASES ALL OVER THE VILLAGE THAT THE, THIS IS A LARGE STAIRCASE.
THEY'VE, I MEAN, HERE, THIS IS VERY CHALLENGING.
PEOPLE COME THROUGH THE VFW TO COME DOWN FROM T AND THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD CASE OF ADVERSE POSSESSION IF
SO WHAT I WANNA SAY, UM, YEAH, THE STAIRCASE OKAY ON THAT.
WHAT, WHAT I, I WANNA SAY, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF, UM, THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND BEING OPEN TO, DO, I, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION MM-HMM
AND ONE SUGGESTION I HAVE IS TO COME BACK WITH EXAMPLES OF WHERE THIS HAS BEEN DONE ELSEWHERE.
AND I WANNA POINT YOU TO AN ARTICLE BY LARISSA ORTIZ IN, UM, PLANNING MAGAZINE.
MARISSA AND I USED TO WORK WITH HER, UM, YES.
YOU CAN CONVERT VACANT RETAIL TO HOUSING.
SHE'S A REAL ADVOCATE FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
SHE'S GOT OTHER NEW STUFF OUT TOO.
UM, AND I THINK THIS IS QUITE PLANNING MAGAZINE.
I, I GOTTA PUT MY GLASSES 2024.
BUT I KNOW SHE HAS A MORE RECENT ARTICLE.
SHE'S BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THIS FOR A WHILE.
UM, BUT ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PULL HER POINTS.
AND I THINK GETTING THE VISUALS THOUGH, OF LIKE, WHAT, 'CAUSE I, TO ME IT'S ABOUT LIKE THE CONTEXT.
IS IT THE RIGHT PLACE? I, I AGREE WITH THE IDEA.
I JUST, I'M NOT RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T PICTURE THIS BEING THE RIGHT, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT SIZE
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AND THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT.I'M JUST, UM, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK WE ALL, WE SHOULD PUSH EACH OTHER TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
AND IT IS, WE HAVE TOO MUCH VACANT RETAIL, SO WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ROOF DECK.
LIKE, NOBODY SEEMS TO LIKE UMBRELLAS AND EVERYONE CARES ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF UMBRELLAS.
SO IS THERE LIKE, ANY WAY, AND THEY'RE BLOWING OVER, BLOWING OVER AND IT, LIKE, I JUST, AESTHETICALLY FOR ANYONE LOOKING OUT THAT IS, IS IS PROBLEMATIC.
I DON'T UNDER, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY TO SET, LIKE COULD POSSIBLY BE YOU CAN RESTRICT IT.
WELL YOU CAN MAKE THEM FILE A RESTRICTION UMBRELLAS ON IT INSTEAD OF ON, INSTEAD OF, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT ON 5 55.
WE TALKED AT PATTERN ABOUT THE PRIOR, I THINK IT WAS A CONDITION IN THE PRIOR RULE ON 5 55.
I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY WANNA LOOK AT BUILDING ANY SUN STRUCTURES OR TRELLIS, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE BULK AND IT DOESN'T REALLY GET YOU, YOU KNOW, THE SHADE YOU WANT, UH, IN EVERY LOCATION.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE LOOKING TO, FOR LIKE ANYTHING PERMANENT, I THINK YOU'RE JUST SORT OF LOOKING AT FOR IDEAS FOR, FOR SHADING THAT MIGHT BE, UM, NOT UMBRELLA, NOT NOT KNOCKED DOWN AND YEAH.
LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY PROBABLY SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD WANT IF THEY WERE UP THERE.
AND UP THERE HIGH, IT'LL, YEAH.
WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS TO NOODLE ON IT WITH YOU.
AND WELL, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN THAT, GRAPPLE WITH HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.
UM, 'CAUSE THE, THE SPIRIT OF IT IS, IS GREAT.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A HEALTHY DEBATE ABOUT WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE.
UM, AND DO WE HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANNA SPEAK
CROSS THAT T NOT THAT I, UM, OKAY.
AND I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, I THINK ERNESTO, YOU REFERRED TO IT, BUT MS. CAROL OSAC GRIFFITH SENT US A LETTER, UM, AND SHE WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO READ IT, BUT, UM, SHE COULDN'T BE HERE.
HOW DO, AND I DID SPEAK TO HER.
AND SHE KNOWS IT'S NOT GONNA BE READ OUT LOUD, SO, BUT IT'LL BE PART OF THE RECORD.
[VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS ]
SO WE HAVE ONE FINAL DISCUSSION ITEM.UM, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY QUICK AND I'M GONNA LET LINDA, IT'S A REFERRAL OF A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW, A OF 2025.
AND LINDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WALK US THROUGH THAT? SURE.
SO, AND, AND JUST FOR THOSE WHO WERE NEWER TO THE BOARD, ANYTIME THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS LOOKING TO AMEND ZONING, EITHER THE MAP OR THE ZONING CODE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REFER IT TO UN TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE VILLAGE BOARD HAS DEDICATED A NUMBER OF PARCELS OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE VILLAGE AS PARKLAND TO MAKE IT DEDICATED PARKLAND.
UM, THEY WOULD NOW LIKE TO, AND THAT PROTECTS IT IN AND OF ITSELF.
BUT YOUR ZONING CODE DOES HAVE A PARK ZONING DISTRICT.
SO ALL THIS IS DOING IS TAKING THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE ALREADY DEDICATED PARKLAND AND REZONING THEM AS PARK.
'CAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE R 20, SOME ARE R 10, SOME ARE R 7.5.
SO, BUT IT PROTECTS, IT S THEIR PLACE AS A PARK.
IT MAKES IT VERY PUBLICLY CLEAR TO SOMEONE LOOKING AT, SO PUTS IT LITERALLY PUTS IT ON THE MAP EITHER.
SO NOW EVERYBODY I HAVE COMMENTS.
UH, WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS RESOLUTION IS REYNOLDS FIELD, UH, REYNOLDS, WE CAN'T, NO, IT'S SCHOOL PROPERTY.
AGAIN, WE CAN MAP, UH, PARKLAND, UH, WE CAN CHANGE THE ZONING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE RENTALS.
FIELD RENTALS FIELD IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO THE, AND, AND THE LAND WAS GIVEN TO THE BOARD OF ED FOR PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, UH, YOU KNOW, USED PRIMARILY BY THE SCHOOL.
BUT IF THE SCHOOL DECIDES TO, UH, REDEVELOP IT, YES, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION.
AND I CAN SEE DOWN THE LINE, THIS IS A POSSIBILITY.
WE DISCUSSED IT ON THE COMP PLAN.
UM, SO I'M, I'M ADAMANT THAT, UH, THIS RESOLUTION IS INADEQUATE AND I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT
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UNTIL REYNOLDS FIELD IS INCLUDED IN, UH, A ZONING MAP CHANGE.SO HERE'S A PROBLEM, RICHARD, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE.
THE, UM, PR ZONING DISTRICT, I'M JUST TRYING TO PULL IT UP.
IT IS THE PUBLIC PARK RECREATION AND PLAYGROUND DISTRICT.
AND IT IS LIMITED TO VILLAGE OWNED PROPERTIES.
SO THAT IS NOT A VILLAGE OWNED PROPERTY, THEREFORE IT CANNOT TECHNICALLY BE ZONED PR IS IT OWNED BY THE SCHOOL OR LEASED TO THE SCHOOL? THE VILLAGE OWNED, IT WAS DEEDED TO THE SCHOOL BY THE VILLAGE.
UM, SO I, BUT IT'S NOT VILLAGE OWNED.
AGAIN, I, I HEAR YOU LINDA, BUT I, I'M LOOKING FOR A ZONING SOLUTION.
SO THAT, UM, FOR THAT LAND TO BE SOLD FOR, FOR PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL USE HAS TO GO THROUGH A ZONING MAP CHANGE, WHICH IS A, A BIGGER LIFT THAN A SUBDIVISION AND A SITE PLAN.
WELL, TO ZONE IT PR THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO ACTUALLY AMEND THE CODE TO ALLOW PROPERTY THAT ISN'T VILLAGE OWNED, TO BE WITHIN THE PR DISTRICT.
THEN SO BE IT RICHARD, CAN THE SCHOOL ITSELF PETITION TO HAVE THE PROPERTY? I WOULD BET THE SCHOOL WOULD NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULD WANNA LEAVE THEIR OPTIONS OPEN.
UH, UH, FOR LOTS OF GOODIES, UH, FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, THIS MAY BE AN ASSET TO SELL.
AND I'M LOOKING FOR A ZONING SOLUTION TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT.
SO IF, IF THIS IS WHAT THE, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WANTS, I THINK I WOULD URGE MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO SEND THE MESSAGE THAT THAT'S A SOLUTION THAT THE TRUSTEES SHOULD LOOK AT WHATEVER THE SOLUTION IS.
BUT I'M, I'M REALLY ADAMANT ABOUT THIS.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS.
HE HAS, HE BROUGHT IT UP IN COMP PLANS SEVERAL TIMES.
YOU ARE TWO KIDS IN THE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO WHAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD? DO YOU, I MEAN, DO YOU WANNA SAY THAT YOU DON'T OBJECT TO CHANGING THE ZONING ON THESE PARCELS, HOWEVER, THE BOARD HAS A CONCERN ABOUT REYNOLDS FIELD AND BEING ABLE TO, WELL, I THINK THAT RICHARD'S POINT IS HE WANTS TO HAVE SOME LEVERAGE.
SO YOU TRYING TO HOLD BACK THE VOTE TO IT'S NOT LEVERAGE.
WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TRUSTEES.
SO, SO YES, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THESE, BUT WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, UH, OPEN SPACE AND PARKLAND BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THINK ABOUT RENTALS.
SO YOU WANNA HAVE THAT, THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THEN, UM, TWO OTHER VERY QUICK THINGS.
I, I KNEW RICHARD WAS GONNA BRING IT.
UM, YOUR NEXT MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON MARCH 20TH.
UM, MARCH 20TH IS AN EMAIL HASN'T GONE OUT YET, BUT MARCH 20TH IS THE DATE THAT THE WESTCHESTER MUNICIPAL PLANNING FEDERATION IS GOING TO BE OFFERING.
ITS SPRING TRAINING INSTITUTE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, UM, INTERESTING PROGRAMS THAT SOME OF YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO TO.
THERE'S GONNA BE A, UM, PRESENTATION ON BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE REALLY FOR PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
LIKE IF YOU END UP GETTING ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS, WHAT SHOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT? UM, THERE'S GONNA BE THEN SESSIONS ON CCRA, ON SITE PLAN, UM, ON WESTCHESTER COUNTY MUNICIPAL REFERRALS AND POTENTIALLY A SESSION ON SUBDIVISION REVIEW THAT PAT AND I JUST CAME UP WITH THIS MORNING.
UM, SO WE, AND WE SPOKE TO THE CHAIR ABOUT THIS ALREADY, ABOUT POTENTIALLY SWITCHING YOUR MEETING, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU MOVED UP THIS MONTH, UM, TO MOVE IT UP A WEEK NEXT MONTH TO THE 13TH, SO THAT IF ANYBODY WANTED TO GO TO THIS, UM, YOU WOULD BE FREE TO DO SO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OR HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING IT TO THE 13TH? TO THE 13TH FROM THE 20TH? I HAVE NO OBJECTION.
I'M MOVING IT TO WHEN, I'M SORRY.
UM, WHICH IS REALLY A MONTH AWAY BECAUSE WE MOVED THIS MEETING.
AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE REGULAR SCHEDULE AFTER THIS CON ONE
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MONTH WHERE THERE'S A CONFERENCE.I WAS GONNA CHECK MY, UH, CALENDAR.
I'LL MAKE SURE TO GET YOU ALL THE INFORMATION.
EV AND BY THE WAY, EVERY, LET'S GET THAT, MAKE SURE THAT THAT NOTICE GOES OUT.
SO EVERYBODY SHOULD GO ON THE WEST WESTERN MUNICIPAL PLANNING FEDERATION'S WEBSITE, WHICH IS WMP.ORG AND SIGN UP TO GET EMAILS.
AND THAT WAY YOU WILL DIRECTLY GET EMAILS ABOUT ALL THE PROGRAMS. USUALLY ONE OF US FORWARDS THEM TO YOU, BUT YOU CAN ALSO JUST WRITE ON THE WEBSITE SIGN UP.
UM, WE USE MAILCHIMP, SO IT'S VERY EASY TO JUST, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, UH, SOME HOURS OF TRAINING, FOUR HOURS A YEAR.
SO THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO, UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SESSION, UM, TOWARDS THE END OF APRIL.
THAT WILL BE A HOUSING BASED SESSION ON WHERE THE NEED FOR THE, FOR HOUSING COMES FROM.
ARE YOU A ICP? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, THE APRIL SESSION WILL PROBABLY HAVE, UM, PLANNING CREDITS.
SOME OF OUR SESSIONS WE ARE ABLE TO MM-HMM
WHERE COULD YOU HAVE EVER COME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR A, A SESSION ON, UH, LOT SUBDIVISIONS? I CAN'T IMAGINE
IT CAME FROM A DISCUSSION I HAD AT A BAR ASSOCIATION, PAUL, YESTERDAY.
BUT, BUT THEN IN A BAR IN THIS CONTEXT.
AND THEN, UM, JUST ONE LAST THING.
ONE LAST THING AND THEN WE HAVE TO ADJOURN.
ONE VERY LAST THING, UM, BECAUSE WE ALSO SPOKE TO THE CHAIR ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE, UM, NEXT WEEK THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS GONNA BE REFERRING THE REVISED VERSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO YOUR BOARD, UM, FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
I KNOW THREE OF YOU WERE ON THE COMMITTEE, UM,
UM, SO YOU'VE, TWO OF YOU TO MAKE IT EASY RULE THAT DAVE TON WAS ALSO ON THIS.
WILL, WILL THE REVISED VERSION BE, UH, REDLINED SO WE KNOW WHAT SO WE KNOW IS REVISED.
IT'S BEEN REVISED BY TOO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT TOO MANY DIFFERENT TIMES.
I CAN TELL YOU WHERE SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE.
SO I THINK WE, WE NEED TO REALLY DEDICATE TIME FOR OUR CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE WHAT MY CONVERSATION WITH, UM, LINDA AND PATRICK WAS THAT WHEN I READ THE PLAN, WHICH I HAPPENED TO GET A COPY OF, 'CAUSE MY HUSBAND'S A TRUSTEE, UM, I SAW THAT IT SAID THAT, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IT LISTED ALL THE BODIES THAT HAVE BEEN CONSULTED TO CREATE THE DRAFT AND IT LISTED THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I SAID, OH, WELL, I I SAW YOUR EMAIL.
SO THERE WAS, I SAW YOUR EMAIL, I SAW LINDA, BUT THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DID GO AFTER THEM ON THAT.
UM, SO YES, A MEMBER OF OUR BODY WENT TO A MEETING AND WAS INVITED TO REPRESENT THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT TO ME, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WITH A DOCUMENT THAT REALLY GUIDES OUR WORK AND IS, IS THE VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR VILLAGE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS HAS COME UP A LOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF CRITICAL ISSUES THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, I THINK A MORE ROBUST FORMAL ENGAGEMENT OF OUR BODY.
WE WE'RE DEALING WITH THESE THINGS DAY IN, DAY OUT.
SOME OF US ARE PLANNERS, ARCHITECTS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S, I REALLY, I THINK JUST CHECKING A BOX AND SAYING WE SENT SOMEBODY FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO ONE OF THE MEETINGS IS NOT ADEQUATE.
SO I KINDA HAD HAD A TALK WITH LINDA ABOUT THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, I THINK WE, AND I WANNA SAY, UM, CHARLES, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ONE, AFTER WE'VE GOTTEN IT AND WE HAVE, LET'S HAVE LIKE A DISCUSSION AND MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ON A JAM PACKED EVENING.
LIKE, TONIGHT'S AGENDA WAS WAY TOO MANY PROJECTS.
LIKE WE GOTTA SOMEHOW, BUT, UM, LET'S MAKE SURE WE, WE, WE DEDICATE THE TIME AND NOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN EVERYONE'S EXHAUSTED FROM REVIEWING LIKE EIGHT PROJECTS AND JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
IT'S THE, THE DRAFT THAT WAS SENT FROM THE COMMITTEE TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS AVAILABLE ON THE COMP PLAN WEBSITE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING REPLACED WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS WITH THE REVISED DRAFT.
SO, UM, IT'LL BE SENT TO YOU AFTER THE BOARD MEETING NEXT WEEK, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT MM-HMM
CAN I, CAN I ASK THAT IT NOT BE REPLACED BECAUSE I CAN HAVE MY SECRETARY DO A COMPARISON BETWEEN WHAT THE COMP PLAN SENT.
I'LL ASK THE CONSULTANTS TO JUST ADD IT.
WE COULD JUST EMAIL HER AND ASK FOR A COPY, NOT PLEASE, BUT ADD IT.
I HAVE A, SORRY, LIKE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
I KNOW WE ARE LIKE NEVER SUPPOSED TO GET TOGETHER OUTSIDE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, BUT TO AS A BOARD, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY EXCEPTIONS WE CAN SCHEDULE THE WORK SESSION?
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YEAH.YOU, YOU COULD ALWAYS SCHEDULE.
YOU CAN SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST HAS TO BE PUBLICLY NOTICED.
UM, WE COULD SCHEDULE, WE USED TO DO THAT YEARS AGO.
WE'D HAVE SPECIAL SESSIONS ON THINGS.
I THINK THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THAT.
I WAS THINKING OF IT IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT WAY, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE OFFICIALLY GET HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE, I MEAN, OUR ASSIGNMENT IS READ THE SUBMISSION.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK AN APPROPRIATE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT WOULD BE READ THE PLAN BY THIS DATE AND HAVE YOUR COMMENTS READY FOR THIS.
ME EITHER A, EITHER A SPECIAL, A WORK SESSION OR SOME SCHEDULED MEETING MM-HMM
SO THAT IT'S STRUCTURED LIKE THAT AND AND WE GET IT WITH ENOUGH TIME TO READ IT.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST, WELL, YOU'LL HAVE IT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE ONE VERSION OF IT NOW.
I, I'M, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK TOMORROW TO SEE WHEN THEY'RE ADDING THE NEW VERSION ON THERE.
I'D RATHER READ THE VER I'D RATHER COMMENT ON THE VERSION THAT'S BEEN CHANGED.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE THINGS THAT YEAH.
NO, AND YOU SHOULD, BECAUSE SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT YOU CARED ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I GOT THEM.
THERE IS NO CLIFF NOTES VERSION.
I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN IT TO US THREE DAYS BEFORE OUR DISCUSSION.
YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE IT EITHER TOMORROW, RICHARD AND I ARE BE AVAILABLE TOMORROW OR MONDAY.
AND YOU, YOU ALL COULD WALK US THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING YOU CAN DO.
YOU GUYS CAN WALK US THROUGH OUT HIGHLIGHTS AND DISCUSSION POINTS THAT ARE LIKE RELEVANT TO US IN PARTICULAR.
I, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE ON THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? THE, HE AND I DID GOTTEN BOTH WORK, THREE OF THREE OF THEM.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT, WHAT IS OUR ROLE IN THIS? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
WE'RE JUST, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS NOT APPROVED IT YET.
SO WE'RE JUST PROVIDING COMMENT THOUGH.
BUT I THINK PUTTING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE THINKING CAPS ON OF, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THAT WE DELIBERATE ON AND GRAPPL WITH TO MAKE SURE WE JUST GIVE OUR INPUT ON SOMETHING.
SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THIS PARKING ISSUE KEEPS COMING UP, YOU KNOW.
SO LIKE IN THE COMP PLAN, HOW DOES IT TALK? DOES IT TALK ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN? YES.
AND I ADD UP TO IT SO IT DOES EVEN MORE NOW.
WELL, YOU KNOW, 15 PEOPLE IN A CONSULTANT FOR TWO YEARS, THINGS GET WATERED DOWN, RIGHT? SO WE HAD, UM, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THE, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAD A WORK SESSION MEETING WHERE THEY, WE WENT THROUGH IT REALLY ALMOST PAGE BY PAGE.
AND, AND THE BOARD ALL GAVE COMMENTS.
UM, FROM THAT WE MADE REVISIONS AND THEN WE, WE DISCUSSED IT AND ADDED A FEW MORE THINGS THAT WE REVISED AND STRENGTHENED.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY, SO LET'S, UM, THE STRONGER THE BETTER.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE ISN'T THE OPPORTUNITY TO CARVE OUT SIGNIFICANT TIME AT A, LIKE IF WE KEEP GETTING REALLY PACKED AGENDAS, WHICH ISN'T, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LET PEOPLE GET ON THE AGENDA IF THEY'RE READY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH CONTROL OVER IT.
BUT, UM, IF NOT, THEN MAYBE WE CAN FIND A, WE CAN JUST SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN FOR THE EVENING? MOTION? 10 0 2.