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SERVE OF[Call to Order]
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING FEBRUARY 27TH, 25.UM, MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE AGENDA.
WE'RE GONNA SWITCH IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, CASE NUMBER FIVE FIRST AND CASE NUMBER SIX SECOND, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, CASE NUMBER 1424, WHICH, UM, WOULD, UH, BE KIND WHERE, WHERE WE THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE CASES WE THINK THAT ARE QUICKER.
KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT, NOT MY
AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THEM FIRST OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THE, UM, ADVICE OF COUNCIL? UM, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU IF YOU WANNA DO THOSE TWO CASES.
WE ALSO HAVE TO DO THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR.
WHEN DO YOU WANNA DO IT? UM, LET'S
[Election of Chair]
DO THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR.HOW DO WE DO IT? SO, FOR THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR 'CAUSE UM, THE VILLAGE ALLOWS THE BOARDS TO ELECT THEIR OWN CHAIRS.
SO TYPICALLY ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD NOMINATE.
JERRY HAS INDICATED TO ME, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S SAID ANYTHING TO ALL OF YOU, THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE AS CHAIR, SO IT JUST TAKES A NOMINATION AND A SECOND.
AND IF THEY'LL HAVE ME, IF THEY'LL, IF YOU'LL HAVE THEM AGAIN, SOMEBODY WANNA NOM, I'LL MAKE A NOMINATION.
UH, I NOMINATE THAT, UH, JERRY, CONTINUE ON AS CHAIR AND BETH SECONDED.
[Case No. 5-25]
NUMBER 5 25.SO THIS IS HOW WE DO IT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, IS THE PETITIONER WILL PRESENT, AT PRESENT WHY HE NEEDS THE VARIANCES.
AND, UM, AFTER THAT, AFTER HE IS DONE WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION EITHER BY LETTER OR IF THEY WANT TO COME HERE.
AND IF THEY COME UP, ANYBODY THAT COMES UP TO THE MICROPHONE GIVES THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS.
AND AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE THE MEMBERS CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE PETITIONER OR PETITION'S ARCHITECT OR LAWYER, OR BOTH.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE LAST THING WE'LL DO IS GIVE THE PETITIONERS A SUMMATION, PUTTING THEIR CASE TOGETHER AND TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT THEY BELONG TO HAVE THANK YOU.
AND FINAL, WE'LL HAVE MOTIONS UP AND DOWN.
I'M THE ARCHITECT REPRESENTING WITH, UH, ACTUALLY NOT JUST REPRESENT, BUT WITH JOHN AND, UH, MEGAN AT, UM, AT THINKON, UM, FOR 2 47, UM, FARGATE AVENUE.
THIS QUICK PRESENTATION IS, UH, ALL THE IMAGE THAT I HAVE HERE IS THE SAME THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, IS JUST IN A MORE ORGANIZED WAY THAT I CAN PRESENT, UM, IN THREE CHAPTERS.
PETITION, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
UM, OUR PETITION IS, UM, UM, EXTENSION OF EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY OF, UM, MINIMUM SIDE YARD OF 12 FEET, WHICH IS, UH, THE CODE PROVISION FOR OUR ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, CURRENTLY THE HOUSE IS 11.9.
WE ARE BUILDING A SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS MIMICKING THAT CONDITION.
SO WE ARE EXTENDING THAT, UM, NON-CONFORMITY AND ADDING TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, HERE'S A SURVEY, UM, OF THE HOUSE OF THE PROPERTY SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITION.
THE 11.9, UH, SORRY, THIS IS FARGO AVENUE HERE.
UM, THIS THE CORNER OF FENWAY AND UH, THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD THAT WE ARE ENCROACHING IS, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH, UH, THAT 11.9, IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE.
SO, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS, THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
YOU COME IN, THERE'S A SPLIT LEVEL.
IT TAKES YOU DOWN TO THE BASEMENT AND, UH, THE OTHER STAIRS TAKES YOU UP.
UM, HAVE A KITCHEN, A LIVING AREA, AND THEN, UM, A MASTER SUITE ON THE VERY, UH, UH, CORNER HERE AND TWO SMALL BEDROOMS, UM, AND BATHROOMS. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FLOOR, WE ARE ADDING A SECOND FLOOR, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN A SECOND, UH, PARTIALLY TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH TO THE, TO THE LEFT OF THIS ON THIS FLOOR NOW, UM, IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THE ELEVATIONS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THE ADDITION WILL BE PRETTY MUCH WHERE THIS LINE IS, UM, BREAKING THE VOLUME AND, UM, CURRENT CONDITIONS, PHOTOS.
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THE REASON WHY WE ARE, UH, BUILDING JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS TO PRESERVE THIS VAULTED CEILING THEY HAVE IN THE LIVING SPACE, WHICH JUST GO BACK TO THE PLAN, WHICH ON THIS SIDE.SO THE ADDITION IS PRETTY MUCH EXTENDING THE EXISTING STAIR AND THEN ADDING THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE, OF THE FLOOR PLAN.
UM, NOW THAT'S, UH, SHOWS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WHICH IS THIS, UM, BOLD, DARK, UH, DASHED BOX.
UM, THAT AGAIN IS, UM, EXTENDING THAT EXISTING NONCONFORMING CONFORMITY OF 11.9 FEET SIDE THE YARD AND THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLANS, WHICH ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS REDUCING ONE OR ELIMINATING ONE OF THE BEDROOMS TO CREATE A PANTRY AND EXPAND THE KITCHEN.
OTHER BATHROOMS REMAINS AS THEY ARE OF COURSE ADDING A, A STAIR THAT LEADS YOU TO, UM, UH, TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
THERE WILL BE A SMALL BEDROOM AND THEN A MASTER SUITE WITH A DEDICATED BATHROOM AND A WALK-IN CLOSET.
SO THE ELEVATION, YOU SEE THAT OUR VARIANCE IS, UH, 0.1 FOOT IS ROUGHLY ONE AND THREE EIGHTHS OF AN INCH.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ENCROACHING ON THE MINIMUM SIDE THE YARD.
BUT THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION.
UM, PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AND THEN BEFORE AND AFTER BEING, BEFORE ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THEN AFTER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND ANOTHER VIEW, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
IS ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS CASE? DID WE OH, BEFORE THAT WERE THE MAILINGS IN ORDER? ALL THE MAILINGS ARE IN ORDER, SIR.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LETTERS ON THIS CASE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, JUST ON SLIDE 14, IF YOU WOULD JUST SHOW THAT IMAGE THERE IS A HOUSE.
MAYBE GO BACK ONE OR FORWARD ONE.
THAT WHITE HOUSE ON THE LEFT UNDER THE AFTER PICTURE, WAS THAT HOUSE NOTICED? YES.
AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, UH, RESPONSE OR COMMENT.
NO, WE RECEIVED NO COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS APPLICATION.
UM, IF ANYBODY'S QUESTIONING THE HEIGHT, WE REVIEWED THE HEIGHT, HE'S UNDER THE HEIGHT LIMIT, BUT WE WILL, WE WILL ENSURE THAT BY GETTING A HEIGHT SURVEY AFTER THE POINT OF FRAMING TO MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY.
YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DETRIMENT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESSENTIALLY THAT HOUSE ON THE LEFT EXCEPT THE HEIGHTS CONFORMING.
SO AGAIN, ALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK JUST AT THE IMPACT OF THE VARIANCE.
SO THE VARIANCE IS FOR A 10TH OF A FOOT ON THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S EXISTING NON-CONFORMING BY 10TH OF A FOOT.
ALRIGHT, ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE A MOTION AUDIENCE.
AND AGAIN, I THINK, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED LAST MONTH KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE FACTORS.
I THINK THIS ONE, THIS IS A 10TH OF A FOOT.
UM, THEY'RE BUILDING ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, IT'S THE SAME SETBACK ON TOP OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS SORT OF, BUT I REFLECT AND REDUCE SETTING IMPACT.
SO, IS THERE A SECOND? WHAT DID I MAKE IT? YOU GOTTA MAKE IT FOR ME,
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN CASE NUMBER 5 25.
UH, MEGAN ATKINSON, 2 47 FARGATE AVENUE, UH, VOTE TO APPROVE RELIEF FROM THE STRIP APPLICATION OF THE VILLAGE ZONING CODE SECTIONS AS NOTED, UM, FOR, UH, EXTENSION OF EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION.
UH, SIDE YARD SETBACK, UH, EXISTING AND PROPOSED ARE 11.9 FEET REQUIRED IS 12 FEET.
AND THE VARIANCE REQUIRED IS 0.1 FOOT.
ALRIGHT, LET'S JUST DO A ROLL CALL.
APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED.
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HI.[Case No. 6-25]
WELL, THIS IS, UM, TAKING ITS SWEET TIME.UM, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, CLAIRE AND TRUMAN SAVAGE, WHO LIVE AT 39 HILLSIDE AVENUE.
AND, UM, I'LL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY I COULD PROBABLY JUST NICE IMAGE.
UM, SO, UM, THE ISSUE HERE, IT'S WHATEVER GABRIELLE SAID GOES FOR ME.
SO THERE IS AN EXISTING, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS NONCONFORMING IN THE FRONT YARD, AND, UH, WE WISH TO DO A, UH, SMALL, UH, REALLY TO CHANGE THE ACTUALLY ROOF FROM A, UM, A HIP ROOF TO A GABLE ROOF, TO A SHOEHORN IN A SMALL, UM, PRIMARY BEDROOM, SUITE IN THE ATTIC.
AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO THE, I'M JUST GONNA LET THIS LOAD VERY SLOWLY.
SO, UM, THE STREET, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
THOSE GREEN THINGS ARE CALLED TREES, IF YOU'VE FORGOTTEN.
UM, THE HOUSES ARE HAVE, UH, IN SPIRIT ARE ALL VERY MUCH ALIKE, A ALONG HILLSIDE.
UM, IT'S KIND OF CLASSIC EVERY SINGLE HOUSE WITH A A, A NICE FRONT PORCH, MOST OF THEM DEEP.
UM, HERE IS THE HOUSE IN QUESTION 39.
UM, AND IN FACT, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, UM, UM, IS, UM, BEAR WITH ME, I'M SORRY.
I, THE FRONT YARD, UH, SETBACK IS, UM, LIKE ALMOST EVERY OTHER HOUSE ON THE STREET, UM, IS SORT OF INBOARD.
SO THE HOUSES WERE BUILT POSSIBLY BEFORE THE, THE 1960S.
ZONINGS ZONING WAS APPLIED, MOST OF THEM SEEMED TO LINE UP PRETTY MUCH.
I JUST DREW A VERY CASUAL DASH DOT LINE THERE ALONG THE FRONTS OF THE HOUSES PRETTY MUCH OFF THE STREET.
AND, UM, ALL OF THEM ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS, UM, IN, IN THE FRONT YARDS OF THE HOUSES.
UM, SO THE, THE NOTION HERE IS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP CLICKING HERE.
SO, UM, THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE TO, UM, SIMP IN THE ATTIC, BUILD OUT THESE TRIANGLES.
ON THE END WOULD BE BUILT OUT CHANGING THE ATTIC ROOF FROM A HIP ROOF TO A GABLE ROOF.
AND THIS RED PORTION ON THE RIGHT WHERE MY CURSOR IS, IS THE ABOUT THREE FOOT NINE INCHES THAT LIES CURRENTLY WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
UM, AND, AND CONSEQUENTLY, THAT IS WHY ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE, UH, TO ALLOWED US TO BUILD A, A BEDROOM THAT WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, LEMME MOVE IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, WITH THE RED AREA BEING THE NON-CONFORMING ENCROACH, THE EX EXISTING NEW ENCROACHMENT.
AND, UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, I HIGHLIGHTED, UM, I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN THAT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ELEVATION, LOOKING AT THE HOUSE FROM THE EAST,
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THE, THE BLUE IS EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, UM, HOUSE.UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED NEW PART IS THE RED ON THE TOP AND EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS SEEN FROM THE WEST.
SO, UM, THE CURRENT ROOF SCAPE IS LIKE THIS.
AND THE, UM, AND, UM, I WANNA SAY THAT, UM, WE STARTED OFF, UM, I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME FOR A NANOSECOND HERE.
I SEEM TO, UM, WHILE I'M FOOLING AROUND WITH THIS, I I'M GONNA, I HAVE BRING CLAIRE UP TO ADDRESS YOU AND, UM, I'M MISSING A FILE HERE IN THIS FOLDER AND I'M JUST GONNA GO FETCH IT.
AND I'LL JUST GET OUTTA YOUR WAY, CLAIRE, YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF HERE.
SHOULD I START NOW OR DO YOU WANNA RIGHT.
UH, MY HUSBAND TRUMAN AND I, UM, LIVE AT 39 HILLSIDE, WHICH WE, UM, ACTUALLY PURCHASED FROM JERRY AND EILEEN QUINLAN, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, IT IS A, A VERY SPECIAL HOME TO US, AS I KNOW IT DEFINITELY WAS, UM, TO JERRY AND HIS FAMILY.
AND FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF WE'VE BEEN LIVING THERE.
UM, REALLY KIND OF PINCH OURSELVES THAT WE LIVE THERE.
UM, ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT KIND OF AS TIMES HAVE CHANGED AS MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH WORK FROM HOME, UM, AND OUR FAMILY IS GROWING, I THINK THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY TO OPTIMIZE THE HOME SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR FAMILY.
UM, WHICH IS WHY WE REALLY, UM, WORKED WITH MITCH, UM, AND HIS TEAM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE SPECIFICALLY FOR, UM, TRU AND I AS WE WORK FROM HOME.
UM, AND AS SINCE WE'VE MOVED, WE'VE ADDED A DOG AND ANOTHER CHILD, UM, WHO IS ON ME RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO REALLY FELT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE, BUT DID NOT WANT TO MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THE HOME BECAUSE WE LOVE THE CHARACTER OF THE BONES.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO HAPPY TO BE THERE.
AND SO, AS MITCH MENTIONED, HE DID SHARE SOME OTHER PLANNED OPTIONS AND NEAR HERE THEY ARE.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, LEAP, RIGHT IN WHICH, WHICH ARE MUCH MORE DRASTIC.
I HAD RECOMMENDED, OH, WE'LL JUST BUILD OVER THE ONE STORY, UH, KITCHEN.
IT IS A SORT OF A LOFTED KITCHEN.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE HERE.
I, THE GRAY HATCHED AREA WAS THE INITIAL NOTION, OH, YOU CAN PUT A MASTER BEDROOM SUITE AT THE END OF THE HALL THERE, GO WITH THAT.
NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THE, THE SHAPE OF THE HOUSE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, LATER SAID, WELL, YOU COULD DO AN AVOCADO COLORED ADDITION OR, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD REALLY, IT'D BE THE CHEAPEST WAY TO, TO DO YOUR, YOUR SUITE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST STRUCTURALLY A LOT EASIER.
SO WE ENDED UP WITH A, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A VERY MI I MEAN, I WOULD CALL IT A MINOR CHANGE.
UM, AND ALL I HAVE TO DO IS FIND THAT DRAWING FOR YOU AND IT'LL JUST BE AMAZED.
AND I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE JUST LOVE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING OR MAXIMIZING THE SPACE THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
IT'S AN UNFINISHED ATTIC CURRENTLY, UM, WHERE WE'RE STORING THINGS.
BUT I THINK IF WE COULD IN, YOU KNOW, USE IT MORE, UM, EFFECTIVELY, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET, THIS IS THE, THE SHAPE OF THE ADDITION IT'S BEING, YOU CAN SEE THE SHADOW, THE SHADOWED, UM, LINE OF THE HIP ROOF, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC OF HOW THE MASSING MIGHT LOOK AND, AND THEN THE VIEW FROM THE STREET MIGHT LOOK LIKE THAT, UM, WITH A GABLE LAND AND A COUPLE WINDOWS.
AND, UM, IT, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE IT REALLY FITS COMFORTABLY WITHIN THE STREETSCAPE.
UM, AND, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING FOR A VERY SMALL VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
AND NOTABLY, OUR FAR IS COMING UP LIKE A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OVER THE REQUIRED MAXIMUM.
ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHETHER PART OF THE BASEMENT IS
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SO LOW THAT IT WOULD BE CONSTRUED BY THE CODE AS A SELLER, YOU KNOW.AND SO I SORT OF SPLIT IT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
AND BASED ON THAT, THE FAL COMES UP A LITTLE BIT HIGH, BUT AGAIN, A VERY, UH, SMALL AMOUNT.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE YOUR WAY TO GRANTING THEM VARIANCE.
AND YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO, UM, DID YOU WANT, HOW ABOUT A MOTION THERE? WELL, NO, PROBABLY ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC.
AND THERE WAS, WE GOT ONE LETTER I WAS GONNA SAY THERE ONE, AND THERE WAS A LETTER IN IN FAVOR, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR, I CAN'T FIND IT.
WE'RE JUST GLAD THEY MOVED TO HASTINGS.
THEY CAN'T BE REALLY OUR FRIENDS OR I WOULD'VE RECLUSE MYSELF, BUT THERE'S A GENERATIONAL PROBLEM THERE.
BUT THEY'RE A LOVELY COUPLE AND A GREAT FAMILY AND, UM, WELCOME TO HASTINGS.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? UM, WELL MAYBE BEFORE THE MOTION I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, FOR A FEW REASONS, THE VILLAGE OF ATTORNEY, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THIS, UM, THIS VARIANCE HAS SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME.
I THINK THE, UH, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, UM, IS ONE A MINIS AND TWO EXISTING.
AND I THINK THERE WON'T BE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT FROM THE STREET VIEW BECAUSE IT'S CONTEXTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER HOUSES.
AND THERE ARE THINGS ENCROACHING SIGNIFICANTLY IN FRONT OF THE NEW ADDITION.
SO I DON'T THINK EVEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS WHO MIGHT WALK BY WOULD NOTICE.
AND IF THEY NOTICE, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD FIND IT TO BE, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACTFUL.
I MEAN, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1905 AND THEY WERE BUILT IN A ROW.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH SAME SMALL, VERY SMALL FRONT YARD.
BUT THAT'S THE LINE THAT, AND THERE ARE SOME GABLE ENDED, UH, HOUSES IN THAT ROW SO THAT YOU KNOW, THE ROOF THAT HE'S GOING TO EXISTS CONTEXTUALLY.
AND I ALSO THINK, CONSIDERING THAT, THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US ALL THE ALTERNATIVES, THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING TO WEIGH FOR OUR DECISION.
IT IS ONE OF THE, I THINK IT IS ONE OF THE FACTORS.
YES, THOSE ALTERNATIVES ACTUALLY WOULD'VE REQUIRED VARIANCES.
UM, OR PROBABLY FAR LET ME SAY, I CALCULATED IT ONCE AND I SAID, NAH, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND I, MORE OR LESS, THESE WERE VERY PRELIMINARY.
THEY DIDN'T GET ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT YOU SAW BECAUSE I GOT SHOT DOWN BY MY CLIENTS
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? I LOVE THE COLOR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, CASE NUMBER SIX DASH 25 TRUMAN AND CLAIRE SAVAGE, 39 HILLSIDE AVENUE, UM, FOR RELIEF FROM THE STRICT APPLICATION OF VILLAGE CODES.
DO I HAVE TO READ ALL THE SECTIONS? NO.
UM, NONCONFORMITY DETAILS FOR THE DORMERS ARE AS FOLLOWS, FRONT YARD SETBACK, EXISTING AND PROPOSED.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS 2 95 DASH 55, A EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY AND FAR EXISTING 362 PROPOSED 363, SORRY, 396.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
DO WE, UM, I BELIEVE THE BOARD WANTED A QUICK ADVICE OF COUNSEL BEFORE WE START ON THE NEXT YEP.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
[Case No. 14-24 ]
CASE.AND THAT IS CASE NUMBER 1424 CASSANDRA, SUITE AND DEVIC.
UM, I'M MIKE JACOBS, UH, ARCHITECT WITH JACOBS CHANG ARCHITECTURE.
UM, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, UH, WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT, UH, AT 16 SHELDON PLACE.
AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, TO REQUEST, REQUEST THREE VARIANCE, UM, CONDITIONS FOR A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, GONNA TELL A LITTLE STORY ABOUT THE
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PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE IT VERY QUICK.
UH, AND I KNOW LINDA, I'M SORRY, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE AT THE PLANNING BOARD, SO, UM, THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
TAKE YOUR TIME, BUT HERE WE GO.
UH, SO 16 SHELDON PLACE IS SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN HERE.
UM, IT'S, UH, ON THE CORNER, IT'S A CORNER LOT, UH, ON THE CORNER OF MINTER, UH, WHICH IS THE EAST, WEST ROAD.
AND SHELDON PLACE, WHICH IS NORTH, SOUTH, RIGHT ABOUT HERE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SHELDON PLACE, THERE ARE THREE HOUSES THAT ACCESS, UH, THAT ACCESS THEIR PROPERTIES FROM THAT STREET.
AND THERE'S ALSO A FOURTH ON, ON ZINZER ZINZER WAY, WHICH HAS A GATE ENTRANCE.
SO REALLY FOUR PROPERTIES, UH, IN TOTAL THAT KIND OF ACCESS, UH, THE SOUTHERN HALF OF SHELDON PLACE.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST FROM THE, FROM THE AERIAL, VERY TYPICAL HASTINGS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, MOSTLY HOUSES OF VARIED SCALE AND, UH, SIZES.
ALRIGHT, I'M JUST GONNA DO IT THIS WAY.
SO THIS, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS RECTANGULAR.
AND THE NORTH HALF OF THE PROPERTY, UH, HAS A HOUSE ON IT THAT WAS BUILT IN 1906, UH, WHICH IS THIS, UH, IN 1979, THERE WAS A TWO STORY ADDITION PLACED ON THE SOUTH END OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND IN 1930, A SMALL ONE CAR GARAGE WAS, UH, BUILT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE DRIVEWAY, UH, HERE IS WHERE IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, I THINK MAYBE ALWAYS EXISTED, I'M NOT SURE.
AND AS WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHICAL CONDITIONS, UH, WHAT WE START TO SEE HERE IS SHELDON, WHICH IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY, UH, STARTS TO PITCH UP SLIGHTLY.
THE GRAY AREAS ARE THE REFLECT THE STEEP SLOPES ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEY ARE SORT OF TERRA SORT OF THREE TO FOUR FOOT TERRORIST AREAS THAT KIND OF FLATTEN OUT.
AND THESE WHITE AREAS PITCH UP AGAIN, FLATTEN OUT, TERRACE UP, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO THE, TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS TO THE EAST.
AND AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THIS REALLY IS TO, UH, DEMONSTRATE FOR, FOR BOTH THE PLANNING AND THE ZONING BOARD, OF COURSE, THAT, UH, THE LOT THAT WOULD BE CREATED WOULD BE BUILDABLE OR USABLE.
UM, AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF DESIGNING A HOUSE THAT, UH, MAXED OUT THE FAR, UH, IN THIS CONDITION.
AND ALSO, UM, MET, UH, THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT COVERAGE FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UH, 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE HOUSE, UH, A HOUSE COULD BE PROPOSED ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, THAT WOULD MEET ALL OF THE ZONING CRITERIA FOR SETBACKS AND HEIGHT, AND ALSO COULD, UM, HANDLE THE STORMWATER RUNOFF, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY, UH, IN ITS LARGEST, UH, ALLOWABLE STATE.
SO AGAIN, NOT A BUILDING APPLICATION, BUT, UM, JUST AN EXERCISE TO DEMONSTRATE THESE CONDITIONS.
SO WHERE, WHERE IS THAT NOW? OH, I'M SORRY, THE SECOND.
YEAH, SO THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, WITH THE GARAGE.
AND THEN AS WE KIND OF LOOK TO THE SOUTH END, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO SUBDIVIDED IN HALF, UH, ACROSS, UH, THE, THE MIDPOINT OF THE PROPERTY IN THIS DIRECTION.
AND SO WE CREATE AN 80 FOOT PROPERTY BY A HUNDRED FOOT, 125 FOOT PROPERTY ON THE NORTH, AND AN 80 FOOT BY 125 FOOT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
THE, THE GRAY AREA WOULD BE MAYBE A PROPOSED STRUCTURE WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS LIKE A DRIVEWAY AND A PATH.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS BUILDING, IT'S JUST A DEMONSTRATION.
UM, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, WE'LL GET INTO THIS, BUT, UH, THE THREE VARIANCE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ARE, UM, EACH OF THESE FRONT YARDS, UH, WOULD BE 80 FEET IN LENGTH.
AND THE STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR R TENS IS 100 FEET.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A, A VARIANCE ON THAT 20 FOOT, UH, UH, UH, DIFFERENTIAL.
AND THEN, UH, IF YOU SEE HERE, THERE'S A, A PROPERTY LINE THAT'S KIND OF SPLITTING, UH, THE, THE NEW PROPERTIES HERE.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, THIS, THIS SORT OF DASH LINE REFLECTS THE SIDE YARD SETBACK THAT WOULD BE CREATED, UH, WITH A SUBDIVISION.
AND THIS LITTLE TWO STORY EDITION THAT WAS BUILT IN 1929 WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT CONDITION AS WELL.
SO IT'S A 12 FOOT, UM, MINIMUM SETBACK.
THIS, UH, CONDITION HERE WOULD CREATE A SEVEN FOOT, A LITTLE OVER SEVEN FEET.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A LITTLE UNDER FIVE FEET.
SO, MIKE, JUST ONE CORRECTION.
SO THE CODE REQUIRES IN THE R 10, A 70 FOOT STREET FRONTAGE, BUT A HUNDRED FOOT WIDTH.
SO YOU SAID, YOU SAID, UM, A HUNDRED FOOT STREET FRONTAGE.
THAT'S, OR AN 80 FOOT STREET FIRST.
SO IT'S NOT STREET FRONTAGE, IT'S WIDTH.
SO WE CAN, CAN YOU'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE STREET FRONTAGE AND IT WEDGE OUT THEN, IS THAT THE IDEA? YEAH, LIKE ON AVERAGE IT'S EIGHT.
SO THE WIDTH IS AT THE 30 FOOT SETBACK LINE.
SO THE FRONT FRONT DOORS ARE I'LL, I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MOMENT.
SO, JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT, THIS IS THE HOUSE, UH, A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE, UH, CIRCA 1910.
SO THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1906, SO THIS IS ABOUT FOUR YEARS, UH, AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.
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IS THE HOUSE MOSTLY IN ITS CURRENT STATE.UH, THIS FRONT PORCH, UH, WHICH WAS A ACCESSED ON THIS CORNER OF THE, OF THE FRONT PORCH, UH, HAS BEEN FILLED IN, UH, OVER THE DECADES.
AND OF COURSE, THAT TWO STORY EDITION WAS, WHICH WAS LATER BUILT AS IN SHOWN HERE.
UM, AND THIS IS THE HOUSE AS IT LOOKS TODAY.
AGAIN, THIS IS THAT FRONT PORCH THAT WAS FILLED IN.
AND AS WE MOVE AROUND TOWARDS MID TURN, YOU SEE THAT KIND OF THE FRONT DOOR AND THE OLD STEPS HERE, UM, WHERE THE OLD FRONT PORCH WAS.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE A MUDROOM WAS FILLED IN UNDER THE, UNDER THE EAVES ON THE BACK.
AND THIS IS A VIEW FROM, UH, THE OPEN PART OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT TWO STORY ADDITION HERE.
UM, A DECK THAT WOULD BE REMOVED IF, IF THE SUBDIVISION WERE BEING APPROVED AND THE FOREGROUND IS SHOWING YOU, YOU CAN START TO SEE HERE A BIT OF THAT TERRACING THAT'S MOVING UP FROM THE STREET, UH, TOWARDS THE EAST END OF THE PROPERTY.
AND A VIEW IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM THE PORCH, UH, FACING SOUTH.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING THE TERRACING AND THE KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE OF WHAT WOULD BE THE SUBDIVIDED, UM, PROPERTY IF APPROVED.
LOOKING UP FROM SHELDON PLACE, THERE'S, UH, CURRENTLY A KIND OF A, A ROW OF VIEWS THAT, THAT SORT OF HEDGE THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND A VIEW FROM THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING WEST, SORT OF THE UPPER, THE UPPER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING DOWNHILL.
AND A COUPLE LITTLE PICTURES FROM THE STREET ITSELF.
UH, THE STREET HAS A SIDEWALK, COULD PROBABLY USE SOME, UH, TRIMMING.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, THE STREET WHICH IS IN ITS, UH, KIND OF A TYPICAL HASTINGS, UH, STATE OF AFFAIRS.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, USABLE STREET.
AND I, LIKE I SAID, FOUR, FOUR PROPERTIES ACCESS, UH, FROM THAT, FROM THAT STREET.
UH, AND THEN THESE ARE JUST TWO LITTLE CLOSEUP DETAILS.
THE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT, BUILT IN 1930, UM, THAT WOULD REMAIN.
AND THEN THE, UH, TWO STORY ADDITION IN THE FOREGROUND ON THE LEFT, UH, WITH THE PORCH THAT WOULD BE REMOVED IN THE CASE OF THE, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, APPROVAL.
SO A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE TWO PARCELS.
UH, ORIGINALLY THESE, UH, WERE LOTS 13 AND 14, WELL, THEY STILL ARE LOTS, 13 AND 14 ON THE TAX MAP.
UM, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PLATTED IN 1906.
HASTINGS DEVELOPMENT CORP HAS TWO 80 FOOT BY 125 FOOT PARCELS, UH, LOT 13, WHICH IS THE SOUTHERN HALF WAS NEVER BUILT UPON.
UH, IT WAS OWNED, UH, FROM THE RECORDS IN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
WE FOUND THAT IT WAS OWNED BY FOUR DIFFERENT WOMEN CONSECUTIVELY, UH, FOLLOWING ITS SALE IN 1905.
NOT SURE OF THE STORY BEHIND THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND.
THE NORTHERN LOT, UM, WAS, UH, ACQUIRED BY, UH, THE SIMMONS, UH, FAMILY, UM, UH, FROM THE HASTINGS LANDCORP IN 1905.
IT WAS SOLD THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR FIVE SUM OF $5 TO A FRANK MILLER.
AND, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED AFTER THAT IN 1906, AND THAT IS FOR THE HOUSE.
AND THEN IN, UM, 1908 IS WHERE THE OWNERSHIP SLOWS DOWN.
UH, DR. SHERMAN, UH, A A DOCTOR AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, RAISED HIS FAMILY, UH, UNTIL HE SOLD THE LAND IN 1957, UH, TO THE AMBROS FAMILY.
THE AMROZI FAMILY, UH, SOLD THE PROPERTY IN 2022 TO ITS CURRENT OWNERS AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT LOTS 13 AND 14 AS A, AS A PROPERTY, AS A JOINT PROPERTY.
UH, THE GREENBERG PROPERTY CARD SHOWS THAT THEY TWO LOTS WERE JOINED IN AND IN OR AROUND 1959.
SO JUST ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE CURRENT ZONING R 10 ZONE WAS ESTABLISHED, THE PROPERTY FRONT, UH, IN THESE TAX CARDS STILL REFERS TO THE 80 FOOT WIDTH.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, A DISCREPANCY IN TERMS OF THE, THE DEFINITION OF THE LOT AND, AND THE YEARS.
AND I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF THE, KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF HOW WE THINK ABOUT HASTINGS IN ITS CONTEXT OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING BEHIND, UH, YOU GUYS IN, IN 1879.
UM, BUT WHAT WE SEE HERE, UM, FROM THESE TWO, UH, PAINTINGS THAT COME FROM THE RICH HISTORY OF PAINTING AND LANDSCAPE, UH, PAINTING IN THIS AREA IN THE HUDSON VALLEY, WE SEE AN 1856, A VIEW OF HASTINGS ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH WE SEE A VERY RURAL, UM, SORT OF UNDEVELOPED HILLSIDE WITH A SMATTERING OF, OF FARMHOUSES AND HOMESTEADS.
AND THEN, UH, ABOUT 40 YEARS LATER, UH, J*P JASPER CROPSEY PHO, UH, PAINTING OF HASTINGS, UH, SHOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF ACTIVITY ON THE WATERFRONT.
AND WE KNOW AT THAT TIME, UH, THAT THE INDUSTRY OF BRICK AND STONE WAS, UH, ESTABLISHED IN THE VILLAGE.
AND SO THE, UH, YOU CAN START TO SEE A FEW MORE BUILDINGS IN THIS TYPE OF, OF PAINTING RENDITION.
SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL US? UM, WELL, WE WANTED TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT IN TERMS OF TODAY.
SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, HOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE KNOW TODAY, UH, THAT STILL EXISTS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAY HAVE EXISTED, OF COURSE BACK THEN.
UH, THERE OF COURSE MIGHT HAVE BEEN OTHER STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED ON THESE, UH, PROPERTIES.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A TRACE OF THEM ANYMORE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE, A STORY WE'D LIKE TO SORT OF, UH, DIVE INTO.
SO IN 1900, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, UH, I'M JUST GONNA SORT OF POINT OUT THIS, THIS LITTLE RECTANGLE HERE IS 16 SHELDON.
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SO THIS, THIS IS SORT OF THE NEIGHBOR, THIS IS INZA PARK HERE.UH, THIS IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE JEWISH TEMPLE.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, MINTER COMING UP FROM BROADWAY AND SHELTERED PLACE.
AND WHAT WE SEE IN 1900 IS THERE, WERE AT LEAST STILL EXISTING TODAY, THIS SORT OF SMATTERING OF HALF A DOZEN STRUCTURES.
UNDOUBTEDLY THERE WERE PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT, BUT THIS IS WHAT SORT OF THE CONTEXT OF WHAT REMAINS THIS HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE HERE, I THINK MANY OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
IT DATES BACK TO 1775, UM, AND MAYBE ONE OF THE OLDEST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, UNDOUBTEDLY, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE KIND OF SAW, IF WE KIND OF LOOK BACK.
AND THEN WHAT WE SEE IS BETWEEN NINETEEN NINETEEN HUNDRED AND NINETEEN TWENTY, UH, WE KNOW THAT THE PLAT MAPS WERE DEVELOPED IN 1906.
SO, UH, WE START TO SEE THE BEGINNINGS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND IN THAT 20 YEARS PERIOD, WE START TO SEE HOUSES BEING ESTABLISHED, UH, ALONG THE GRIDS THAT WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH TODAY.
IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT DECADE, THE TWENTIES, UH, WE SEE, UH, QUITE A BIT MORE BUILT, UM, AS PROSPEROUS DECADE.
AND WE CAN REALLY START TO SEE, PARTICULARLY ON EUCLID, UH, HOW HOUSES ARE STARTING TO DEVELOP INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
AGAIN, THIS INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT IS STILL HAPPENING, UH, VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE PRIOR DECADES.
UH, THE, THE PLAT MAPS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED ARE GETTING FILLED IN.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE, UH, FROM THE 1950S TO 1960, AGAIN, WE SEE A FEW MORE HOUSES BEING BUILT, A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOWDOWN, UH, IN THAT DECADE.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE FROM 1960 TO 1980, WE SEE KIND OF TWO BIG JUMPS OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
ONE IS THE ZINZER WAY, WHICH IS THIS CUL-DE-SAC, AND THE OTHER IS WAGNER PLACE, WHICH IS THIS CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IF I JUST JUMP BACK AND FORWARD REAL QUICK, A SMATTERING OF OTHER LITTLE PROPERTIES THAT GOT DEVELOPED INCREMENTALLY, UH, OVER THAT DECADE, OVER THOSE TWO DECADES.
AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE LAST 40 YEARS, AGAIN, I'LL JUMP BACK AND FORTH, BUT THERE'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE THEN.
UH, BUT REALLY, UH, SINCE 19, REALLY SINCE 1980, THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY WHAT WE SEE TODAY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW, UH, INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENTS OVER THE YEARS.
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR TWO, THE, THE, WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE VARIANCES, BUT TWO OF THE VARIANCES HAVE TO DO WITH STREET FRONTAGE AND CONTEXT.
AND I THINK LOT WITH, LOT WITH, I'M SORRY, CHARLES.
AND SO WE SORT OF SPENT, UM, SOME TIME JUST INVENTORYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE PURPLE SQUARE IS, UH, 16 SHELDON.
AND THE YELLOW AREA IS THE RANGE OF PROPERTIES THAT WE SURVEYED TO JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE WHAT THAT STREET FRONTAGE, STREET WIDTH, LOT WIDTH LOOKS LIKE.
AND SO WHAT DID THAT TELL US? WELL, WE LOOKED AT FIRST, UM, HOW MANY OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE CONFORMING TO TODAY'S, UH, STANDARDS? AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE, OF THOSE PROPERTIES, 21% OR 15 PROPERTIES HAVE AT LEAST 100 FEET IN WIDTH.
UM, AND, UM, THEY CONFORM TO THE R 10 ZONE, UH, STANDARD.
UH, WE STARTED LOOKING THEN AT HOW MANY FALL BETWEEN 80 FEET AND A HUNDRED FEET.
SO MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, BUT LESS THAN IS ALLOWABLE BY TODAY'S CODE.
AND WHAT WE SEE THERE IS ABOUT 27% OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE SURVEYED OUTTA THE 71.
AND WE'RE SEEING HERE THAT THE CLUSTER OF THEM IS MOSTLY JUST NORTH OF THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THOSE TWO, UH, BLOCKS WERE MAPPED AT, UH, UH, 80, SORRY, THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE MAPPED AT 84 FEET IN WIDTH AND 125 FEET IN DEPTH.
SO 84 FEET STREET FRONTAGE FOR, FOR THESE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE CLUSTER IN KIND OF A GRID, UH, AROUND THE PLOT MAPS.
THEN WE STARTED SORT OF LOOKING INTO HOW MANY PROPERTIES ACTUALLY HAVE EXACTLY 80 FEET, UH, PLATTED, UH, AND IS THAT CONTEXTUAL? AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE FOUND THERE IS MANY, MANY OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG EDGAR'S LANE, BUT, BUT MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE, THE BLOCK THAT IS IN QUESTION HERE, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES ARE, UM, PLATTED TO AT LEAST EIGHT, UH, 80 FOOT MAXIMUM.
IN FACT, THE ONE PROPERTY THAT'S WHITE HERE IS I THINK 78 FEET.
BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THIS BLOCK IS PLATTED FOR 80 BY 1 25, UH, PLOTS.
AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE KIND OF OBVIOUS HOW MANY ARE BELOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO MANY OF THESE PREDATE THE CURRENT ZONING CODE WE SAW A LOT OF THESE WERE BUILT IN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES.
THE ZONING CODE TODAY IS 19, SORT OF DATES BACK TO 1960 ISH.
BUT A LOT OF THESE HOUSES ALONG EUCLID AND EDGAR'S LANE, AND OF COURSE, IN THIS LITTLE CLUSTER OF DEVELOPMENT AT ZINZER WAY, THESE PROPERTIES ARE ALL LESS THAN 80 FEET.
THAT'S ABOUT 37% OF OUR INVENTORY.
UM, AND IF WE LOOK AT SORT OF THE TOTAL OF, OF LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 80, UH, OR 80 OR LESS, I SHOULD SAY, WE SEE THAT THERE'S ABOUT HALF OF
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THE PROPERTIES THAT WE INVENTORIED, UH, FALL WITHIN 80 FEET OR LESS.AND THEN OF THE NON-CONFORMING, LOTS OF THE 71, UH, 56 OF THEM ACTUALLY ARE NON-CONFORMING TO TODAY'S R 10 STANDARDS.
UM, SO I THINK THE, THE TAKEAWAY FOR US IS THAT YES, THIS IS ACTUALLY HIGHLY CONTEXTUAL.
UH, UH, WE, WE FEEL THAT THE 80 FEET IS NOT A BIG ASK.
THE REST OF THE APPLICATION, OF COURSE, FOR FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF LOTS MEETS THE CRITERIA OF R 10, 10,000 FEET.
UH, AND WE HAVE THE ONE, UH, SIDE YARD NONCONFORMING CONDITION THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE SUBDIVISION IN ADDITION TO THAT.
AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH, UH, THERE'S TWO SLIDES LEFT, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON SOME OF THE DISCOURSE THAT I THINK WE'VE HEARD IN PUBLIC MEETINGS AT THE PLANNING BOARD OVER THE MONTHS, UH, AND SOME OF THE LETTERS THAT HAVE COME INTO, UH, YOU AND TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS PERCEPTION THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBDIVISIONS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AT ALL, UH, SINCE, UH, WELL, I THINK THE, THE CLAIM WAS A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA LOOK BACK TO 1960, WHERE THE ZONING CODE WAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED.
AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THERE WERE THREE INSTANCES OF SUBDIVISIONS IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UH, 16 SHELDON IS HERE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND WE EXAMINED SORT OF THREE, THREE, UH, INSTANCES OF WHERE SUBDIVISIONS WERE GRANTED.
THE EARLIEST WE FOUND WAS IN 1967, WHERE ZINZER WAY WAS ESTABLISHED.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WE REMEMBER THIS HOUSE HERE WAS 1775.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE, UH, THE, OH, THE LANDOWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT SOMEBODY SUBDIVIDED THIS LAND AND ALL OF THESE HOUSES, THESE SEVEN HOUSES, SIX HOUSES WERE BUILT IN 1967.
UH, WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, SUBDIVISION OF EDGAR, UH, 1 22 EDGAR LANE.
AND THAT IS A DOUBLE WIDE LOT IN, UH, 1969 THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A SUBDIVISION SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, INTO TWO LOTS.
AND THEN IN THE SEVENTIES, UH, BETWEEN THE YEARS OF 76 TO 79, UH, THESE FIVE HOUSES WERE BUILT, UH, TO ESTABLISH, UH, WAGNER PLACE.
SO ALL OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS WERE DONE AFTER THE 1960 ZONING CODE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND WHAT DOES THAT TELL US WHEN WE LOOKED AT THEM? AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, AGAIN, STREET, UH, PROPERTY WITH, UH, 80 FOOT MINIMUMS, OR SORRY, A HUNDRED FOOT MINIMUMS. WE START DOWN HERE AT THE ZINZER WAY, UH, SUBDIVISION.
AND WE FIND THAT OF ALL THE PROPERTIES, UH, ARE LONG ZINZER WAY ONLY TWO OF THEM OUT OF SEVEN HAVE CONFORMING FRONT YARD WIDTHS.
UM, IN THE DOUBLE WIDE LOT THAT IS SUBDIVIDED FROM ONE LOT INTO TWO, WE SEE THAT THE, THE NEWLY ESTABLISHED PROPERTIES IS CONFORMING TO A HUNDRED.
AND THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, REMAINS AT 80.
SO ONE NON-CONFORMING, ONE CONFORMING.
AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE WAGNER PLACE SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT HAS, UH, NONE OF THE HOUSES THERE, INCLUDING THE, THE HOUSE THAT, UM, WAS, UH, WAS EXISTING PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISION.
NONE OF THEM HAVE, UM, 100 FOOT, UH, WIDTHS AT THE STREET.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS, UH, I GUESS OUR TAKEAWAY AGAIN IS THAT WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A CONFORMING REQUEST AND, UH, YEAH, WE'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LET'S START WITH JOSH AND GO DOWN THEN.
UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND THE CONTEXT.
WE OFTEN ASK, UM, FOLKS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I THINK THE SURVEYING OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES IS, IS VERY HELPFUL.
UM, MY QUESTION ISN'T REALLY ABOUT ANYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT, BUT SOMETHING THAT NO, TO BE AN ISSUE, COULD YOU, UM, TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE EAST TO WEST FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? YEAH, JUST GONNA JUMP TO THE OTHER FILE HERE.
SO THE TOP OF THE LOT IS ABOUT 1 92 AND A HALF, SO 1 92 6, THAT'S THE UPPER PORTION.
UH, AND DOWN AT THE STREET, UH, WE ARE ARE AT ROUGHLY 1 75.
I JUST HAD IT AND THEN I FORGOT IT.
UM, HOW MANY HAVE YOU COUNTED, IF ANY, UM, THE SECOND HOUSE IN LOT B, HOW WILL THAT AFFECT ANYBODY ELSE'S, UM, VIEWS OF THE PALISADES OR THE RIVER? YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN BY, BY, BY, BY BUILDING THIS HOUSE.
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YEAH.IT'S A, IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.
WE, WE DON'T FALL WITHIN THE VIEW SHED PRESERVATION DISTRICT.
BUT I WILL, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WHAT I, WHAT I SEE.
UM, SO I HAVE THREE SLIDES ABOUT THIS.
UM, THESE ARE THREE GOOGLE STREET VIEWS, UM, TAKEN FROM, UM, THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UM, ONE OF THEM IS FROM TWO, THE EARLIEST THAT WE FOUND ON GOOGLE STREET IS 2007.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES 'CAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE AS WE LOOK UP THE HILL FROM SHELDON IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE BIG TAMARACK TREE, WHICH IS STILL THERE, THE HOLLY TREE, WHICH IS STILL THERE IN THIS LARGE TREE THAT, UM, IS NOT THERE ANYMORE.
SO ACROSS THAT PROPERTY, THERE WERE SORT OF THREE BIG TREES.
UH, AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
AND AS WE TURN AROUND 180 DEGREES AND LOOK TOWARDS THE WEST, UH, THIS IS THE VIEW.
UH, OF COURSE IT'S NOT WINTER VIEW, BUT THIS IS THE VIEW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EIGHT MONTHS OUTTA THE YEAR, NINE MONTHS OUTTA THE YEAR, UM, UH, ACROSS, AND THIS IS FROM 2007.
SO THIS PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, I, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T LOOK, I CAN'T TELL, BUT I DON'T THINK THE POOL IS BUILT THEN THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S A POOL HERE.
SO AS WE MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS, UH, AVAILABLE TO US FROM 2013, WE STILL SEE, WE SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE ES, THE HEDGES THAT WERE BUILT, SORT OF ESTABLISHED, UH, THAT ARE STILL THERE, THE TWO LARGE TREES THAT ARE THERE.
AND OF COURSE THIS TREE IS STILL THERE AND NOW IS NOT THERE.
AND AS WE TURN AROUND AND LOOK BACK TOWARDS THE, THE WEST, UH, WE SEE THAT THE SWIMMING POOL NOW IS VISIBLE, UH, THROUGH THE BUSHES AND THE VIEWS THERE AGAIN, SUMMERTIME.
SO THAT HOUSE THERE, JUST GO BACK FOR A SECOND.
SO YEAH, IT'S ACROSS SHELDON PLACE.
AND THEN THE HOUSE, THERE IS A HOUSE BEHIND TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS BACK HERE, SORT OF, IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM THESE PICTURES.
THAT'S THE HOUSE ON EDGAR'S LANE.
AND JUST, JUST GO BACK FOR A SECOND, BUT BECAUSE I DID GO DOWN THAT STREET NOW, THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY'S GONNA COME OUT.
FROM THE SECOND HOUSE, RIGHT? RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SWIMMING POOL.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT A BUILDING PROPOSAL THOUGH, IT'S JUST COMPLETE.
I MEAN, SOMEWHERE ACROSS THAT, THAT YEAH.
PROPERTY WIDTH, BUT, SO NONE OF THESE, NOTHING YOU'VE SHOWED ME HAS ANYTHING BLOCKED OF THE RIVER OR THE PALISADES, OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A MOCKUP OF THE BUILDING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE VIEWS FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
BUT COULDN'T, YOU COULD POSSIBLY, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO IT, BUT YOU COULD POSSIBLY MAKE ONE UP WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH TROUBLE, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU.
UM, WELL THIS IS THE VIEW TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO FINISH THIS THOUGHT AND I'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION IN A MOMENT.
UM, UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE VIEW'S OPENED UP, THIS IS IN, UH, 2018 AND THE VIEW TO THE BACK IS SIMILAR.
SO LEMME JUST JUMP OVER TO THIS PROPOSAL HERE.
PART OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE WERE ASKED TO PREPARE AGAIN WAS THIS DEMONSTRATIVE, UH, PROPOSAL.
I THINK, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, MR. QUINLAN, ABOUT THE SIZE AND BULK OF A PROPOSED HOUSE, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY, I THINK IT WOULD HARD, IT WOULD BE A VERY HARD ARGUMENT TO PUT FORWARD TO, FOR ME TO SAY ANYTHING THAT GETS BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY WOULDN'T AFFECT A VIEW ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY OBVIOUS STATEMENT.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT YOU COULD HYPOTHETICALLY DESIGN A HOUSE.
THIS HERE IS THE, UH, THE HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR THE R 10 ZONE, THIS LITTLE DASH LINE.
AND YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE THAT'S LOWER THAN THE, THAN THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND STILL MAX OUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IF YOU DESIRED.
SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT WOULD BE TO BRING THIS UP EVEN HIGHER OR THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE TO BE EVEN WIDER.
AND I CAN SHARE THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS OF COURSE, ANYTHING THAT'S BUILT THERE WOULD CHANGE THE CONTEXT SLIGHTLY.
BUT AS I'VE DEMONSTRATED, WE DO SEE THAT IS A NORMAL PART OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS VILLAGE, RIGHT? THAT WE SEE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEVELOPED OVER TIME IN PIECES.
'CAUSE IN SOME OF THE LETTERS, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD IMPACT A NUMBER OF HOUSES, NOT JUST ONE HOUSE FROM THE SECOND STORY.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS IT TRUE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I'M, I'M AT, YOU KNOW, SIX FOOT, GET OUT OF THE CAR, LOOK AROUND AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY'S GONNA BE FOR THE SECOND HOUSE, AND IT'S HARD TO SEE ANY HOUSE THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED.
YEAH, I MEAN, I'M VERY EMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT LIKE, IT WILL, THERE'S AN OPEN PIECE OF LAND RIGHT NOW AS WE KNOW.
IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED AND IT'S BEING PROPOSED AS A SEPARATE LOT.
THIS IS OF COURSE NOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, THIS IS JUST A SUBDIVISION.
BUT LIKE, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT BUILD SOMETHING ON THERE ONE DAY
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AND IT MIGHT BE FOR HER MOTHER.SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THE SUBDIVISION IS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT IDEA THAT'S BEING THOUGHT ABOUT.
UH, SO ANYTHING THAT GETS BUILT, OF COURSE WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACT.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE AS DESIGNERS THINK ABOUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT DEVELOPING LAND IS HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE WORK WITHIN THE CODE, OF COURSE.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE CONTEXT? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY PROPOSED IN THIS COMPLETELY SPECULATIVE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, DESIGNING OR ANYTHING, WE'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH THE DESIGN OF A HOUSE.
THERE'S A LOT OF KIND OF LARGE TREES ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO US TO THINK ABOUT HOW COULD YOU SALVAGE THOSE TREES AND STILL BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY.
NOW I'M NO ARBORIST, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CLUSTER OF TREES ALONG THIS EDGE.
THEY'RE BIG AND THE HOUSE PUSHES ITSELF TOWARDS THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THAT.
LIKE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE THINK ABOUT AS DESIGNERS, BUT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO DESIGN A HOUSE.
THANKS MIKE, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK, UM, I JUST HAD ONE, ONE QUESTION ABOUT CONTEXT.
I THOUGHT THE CONTEXT SLIDES YOU SHOWED WERE REALLY HELPFUL ABOUT THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH MM-HMM
FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK VARIANCE.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION LIKE I'M SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT, UM, I THINK IT'S 30 MID TURN AND 1 21 EDGARS.
WHAT THE, THE SIDE YARD SPACING IS THERE IN TERMS OF CONTEXTUALIZING THIS, THAT VARIANCE? NOT JUST THE, UM, WHICH PROPERTIES? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHICH PROPERTIES.
THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE ONES, RIGHT? SO IF WE GO BACK UP TO THIS YEAH.
UM, SO, OH, JUST GO BACK DOWN.
SO IF, YEAH, SO IF YOU GO JUST TO THE, UM, TO THE EAST, THOSE TWO, THESE TWO, THE CORNER LOT AND THE ONE THAT'S JUST IN, UM, IT'S OKAY.
THE ANSWER'S NO, I'M JUST, I'M, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW.
I'M TRYING TO EYEBALL IT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, WHAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO VARIANCES AND I THINK I'M SUPER CLEAR ON THE CONTEXTUALIZATION OF THE FIRST ONE.
AND THE SECOND ONE, I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT, UM, IF EITHER OF THOSE ARE CONFORMING OR NON-CONFORMING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST ONE LOOKS THE GARAGE IS NOT CONFORMING.
IGNORE THE GARAGE FOR A SECOND.
MY INSTINCT IS THAT LIKE THIS HOUSE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SETBACK.
I THINK THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT MOVES PAST, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND I, MY GUT FEELING IS 12 FEET IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU HAVE THERE, GIVE OR TAKE.
UM, THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN CONFORMANCE, BUT AS A, AS A CORNER LOT WE NEVER REALLY KNOW AND HOW, HOW ALL THE DESIGNATIONS HAPPENED.
BUT I'M ASSUMING FRONT, FRONT, SIDE, BACK.
UH, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CONFORMING.
UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THIS OF COURSE ALSO LOOKS CONFORMING.
AND THEN THE ONE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS PROBABLY NON-CONFORMING.
AND SAME WITH ITS NEIGHBOR ON THE UMAT.
THIS ONE HERE ON THE EAST BABYSAT.
THIS EDGE HERE LOOKS A LITTLE CLOSE, AND THIS EDGE LOOKS A LITTLE CLOSE.
SO OF COURSE THE BACKYARD HERE.
UH, APPEARS A LITTLE TOO CLOSE.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION JUST SAYS HOW MANY DRIVEWAY, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT DRIVE, UH, THE ROAD AND DRIVEWAYS.
HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS ARE CURRENTLY ON SHELVING PLACE? IS IT TWO OR THREE? UM, IT'S THREE.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY ON SHELDON PLACE RIGHT NOW? NO.
ON THAT SIDE OF SHELDON ON THAT SIDE, BUT AT THE END THERE IS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AT ALL WITH THE, NO.
I THINK THE, OH, PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WILL TELL ME BETTER THAN, THAN I COULD.
IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S THE, THE SOUTH END.
AFTER YOU GO PAST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, I WENT, WENT BY THERE AND THEN I HAD TO TURN AROUND MM-HMM
THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY ON THERE WERE NO DRIVEWAYS TO TURN AROUND IN.
THERE'S NO DRIVEWAYS ON SHELDON.
AND ARE ALL THE LOTS ON SHELDON CONFORMING IN THAT THEY HAVE DRIVEWAYS OR, OR DO SOME NOT HAVE DRIVEWAYS IN STREET PARK? DO WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? SO THERE'S ONLY ONE HOUSE EXISTING THAT FRONTS ON THAT PART OF SHELDON.
AND IT DOES IT'S NONCONFORMING.
UM, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH HEIGHT, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF ARBITRARY, BUT YOU KNOW, HELPFUL OF COURSE, UM, DRAWINGS ABOUT LIKE HOW THE, HOW THE HEIGHT COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK.
UM, AND, UM, AND CERTAINLY PARKING, UM, IS SOMETHING
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THAT, THAT MY COHORTS HAVE ASKED ABOUT.AND, AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE SAW IN THE, IN THE LETTERS AND THINGS.
AND, AND I DO WANT MAKE SURE THAT WE DO TOUCH ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
I KNOW THAT FROM READING THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, UM, MEETING THAT THAT WAS A PART OF THEIR STUDY AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OR DOES THAT NEED YEAH, HAPPY TO.
WE, WE WERE GIVEN, UM, AN APPROVAL IN THE EAF FORMS LAST MEETING, UH, OBVIOUSLY PRIOR TO COMING HERE.
AND THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE PARKING, I THINK JUST REALLY CENTERED MOSTLY ON THE CONTEXT OF HOW PARKING HAS HISTORICALLY, UM, TAKEN SHAPE ON, ON SHELDON PLACE.
UH, THE DISCUSSION KIND OF FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT THERE, IT IS A NARROW STREET, WHICH IT IS.
UM, AND THAT THERE IS STREET, THERE HAS TO BE STREET PARKING BECAUSE, UH, AT LEAST ONE OF THE HOUSES DO NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND THEY GENERALLY PARK, UH, WE WERE, WE WERE TOLD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, AND THAT THERE ARE SOME SORT OF, UH, UNSPOKEN KIND OF RULES OF PARKING ON THE STREET THAT PROBABLY IS FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF US WHO HAVE HOUSES WITH STREETS IN FRONT OF THEM.
SO, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT, THAT MY, MY QUESTION WAS LESS ABOUT PARKING AND MAYBE MORE ABOUT POTENTIAL RUNOFF OR WATER.
SO WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT THERE, THERE WERE CONCERNS VOICED ABOUT, UH, THE IMPACT OF ANY DEVELOPMENT ON A PIECE OF LAND THAT'S UNDEVELOPED.
UM, AND PART OF OUR APPLICATION, AND REALLY PART OF ANY POTENTIAL BUILDING APPLICATION WILL HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE VILLAGE GREEN CODES IN THE VILLAGE CODE BOOK, WHICH REQUIRES THAT ALL IMPERVIOUS SERVICES THAT ARE DEVELOPED CAPTURE ONSITE RAINWATER AND DON'T LET IT GO OFF THE PROPERTY.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S DEVELOPED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL THAT WE PUT OUT, UH, WE MAXED THAT OUT.
WE, WE SAID, OKAY, IF WE FULLY MAX OUT THE DEVELOPMENT COVERAGE, COULD YOU HAVE PUT A CATCHMENT SYSTEM IN THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD HANDLE ALL THAT RUNOFF? AND OF COURSE YOU CAN.
SO, UH, IT WAS A SUB, UH, SUBTERRANEAN COLD TECH UNIT, UH, WITH, WE FOUND WE HAD A PERK GRADE DONE WITH SOME SOILS TESTS, AND, UH, IT WOULD TURNED OUT THAT YES, THE SOIL PERKS FINE, IT SHOULDN'T CREATE ANY PROBLEM.
IN FACT, MAYBE YOU COULD ARGUE THAT IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE SURFACE RUNOFF THAT THAT HAPPENS NOW, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
IT'S NOT SORT OF SPECULATIVE FOR ME TO SAY THAT.
I THINK THAT LIKE, UH, ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS HAVE KIND OF LIKE, TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT.
UM, LIKEWISE, THANK YOU FOR THE CONTEXT.
THE FIRST ONE, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOT OF FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT WEIGHING THE DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF LETTERS AND I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA HEAR SOME COMMENTS.
UM, AND THE BENEFIT TO, TO THE FAMILY THAT'S ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE, AND I'M JUST HAVING, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE, WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THE HOUSE OR EVEN IF WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP, BUT ASKING FOR THE VARIANCES BEFORE HAVING THAT PLAN.
SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE HAPPY TO ANSWER THIS, THE BENEFITS OF COURSE.
SO THIS WAY WE CAN WEIGH, I THINK IF, UM, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE WERE HOPING TO DESIGN A SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON ANY ZONING VARIANCES, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE VILLAGE CODE IS WRITTEN, IT REQUIRES THIS DIMENSION THAT IS, LET'S CALL IT ARBITRARY BUT DETERMINED, RIGHT? IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1960.
WE'VE SHOWN A CONTEXT WHERE IT'S KIND OF DISCRETIONARY, LET'S SAY, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
BUT IF WE COULD HAVE CREATED TWO LOTS OUT OF ONE THAT WERE FULLY COMPLIANT, UH, WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT FIRST.
AND WE WOULD HOPEFULLY NOT BE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE DISCOVERED IS THAT DIMENSIONALLY, UH, THE 80 BY 1 25 IS ACTUALLY HIGHLY CONTEXTUAL.
SO THAT PART I FEEL REALLY, I DON'T KNOW, SATISFIED WITH, THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT FEELS UNREASONABLE.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT NON-CONFORMING, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACKS IS A FAIR QUESTION.
THERE WAS AN ADDITION PUT, UH, ON THAT HOUSE IN 1979.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE LOP OFF FIVE FEET OF THAT ADDITION? I DON'T KNOW.
UH, BUT IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 80 FEET BUT NOT THE FIVE FEET, I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
IT'S NOT UP TO ME TO SAY, BUT I DO KNOW THAT VARIANCES HAVE BEEN GRANTED FOR THESE CONDITIONS.
WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A REASONABLE ASK.
PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS TO REMOVE THE DECK THAT'S OFF THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE VARIANCE TO, TO KIND OF REMOVE THAT.
'CAUSE IT WOULD BE NONCONFORMING AND WE COULD REMOVE THAT VERY EASILY.
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UM, AND ULTIMATELY, UM, PUSHING THE HOUSE FURTHER, THE, THE PROPOSED HOUSE THAT WE'LL NEVER BUILD FURTHER NORTH WAS ALSO A WAY TO, I HEAR CHUCKLES ABOUT BILLING.WE'RE NOT BUILDING THIS HOUSE, BUT, UM, BY PUSHING IT FURTHER NORTH, WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING A BIGGER SETBACK TO THE HOUSE, TO THE SOUTH, AND ALSO TRYING TO PRESERVE THE TREES AND SOME OF THE CONTEXT THAT'S THERE.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD HOPE THAT WHOEVER BUILDS ON THAT PROPERTY WOULD THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
SO YOU, YOU ADDRESSED MY SECOND QUESTION, I THINK WITH, WITH YOUR RESPONSE THERE, BUT LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
SO THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE IS CONDITIONED UPON TAKING DOWN THE DECK.
SO THIS WAY THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE THE ACTUAL VARIANCES.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU HAD MENTIONED REMOVING THE DECK EARLIER AND THEN JUST IN YOUR RESPONSE, BUT I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT IN WHAT WE WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS OH, I SEE.
UH, DOES THAT CHANGE THE, THE, THE VARIANCE AT ALL? I THINK, NO.
I, I THINK IT, IT, UH, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE SITE SURVEY.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY GOES OVER THE PROPERTY, THE PROPOSED PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO, UM, UH, LEMME SEE IF I, THE, THE DECK GOES OVER THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA ZOOM IN HERE.
SO THIS DECK HERE WOULD ACTUALLY ENCROACH INTO A NEW PROPERTY THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THIS ONE.
SO IN EFFECT, YOU'D WANT TO, OR HAVE TO TAKE THAT OFF.
SO THIS DECK HERE IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
BUT THE NUMBERS IN THE VARIANCE ARE FROM THE TWO STORY CORRECT.
ADDITION TO THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE TO THE NEW PROPERTY LINE.
JUST ADD, THE DECK IS REALLY QUITE RIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE.
THE DECK IS REALLY QUITE ROTTEN AND OLD, AND WE, WE WILL BE TEARING IT DOWN NO MATTER WHAT.
IT'S, IT'S AN AWKWARD AND DANGEROUS, WEIRD LITTLE STRUCTURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? GUESS THIS IS NAIVE, BUT I HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION.
YOU HAVE TWO 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
WHY DO YOU NEED ANY VARIANCES? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S A, IT'S A WRINKLE IN THE ZONING CODE, WHICH MEANS, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ESTABLISH A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA LOT IN AN R 10.
THAT'S YOUR MINIMUM LOT, BUT YOU MUST ALSO HAVE THE A HUNDRED FOOT WIDTH AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT.
IT ENVISIONS A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED, BUT THESE LOTS ARE 125 DEEP AND THEN 75 FEET.
AND I, IS IT ALSO, BECAUSE AS YOU HAD MENTIONED THE ADDITION, SO IT IS GO AHEAD.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE ADDITION, IF THAT ADDITION WAS SOMEHOW CHANGED, THE LATER EDITION, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
I THINK WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING WAS THAT LIKE, IT WOULD BE A CONFORMING, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO ASK FOR THAT VARIANCE IF WE HACKED OFF FIVE FEET OF THAT, THE SETBACK, THAT BUILDING YEAH.
THE, THE VARIANCE TOTALLY SEPARATE.
BUT, BUT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS YOUR QUESTION, BUT YOU COULD HAVE SUBDIVIDED THESE DIFFERENTLY.
SO THAT ONE WAS 85 FEET WIDE AND ONE WAS 75 FEET WIDE AND YOU, YOU WOULD NOT NEED THAT SIDE YARD VARIANCE.
BUT THEN WE WOULD BE HERE FOR AN AREA BECAUSE WE'D BE BELOW 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE WOULD BE THERE GRANTING THIS.
SO THIS ONE, OR YOU'D HAVE A JOG IN THE, YOU KNOW, JOG SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
PRESUMABLY THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE PLANNING BOARD DEVELOPED WITH YOU AS RECOMMENDED? WELL, PENDING, PENDING THE VARIATION.
WELL, THE PLANNING BOARD LOOKED AT WHAT THE CONTEXT WAS AFTER WE JUST SORT OF SHOWED THEM THE DIFFERENT SORT OF LOT DIMENSIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT WEIGHING IN ON THE VARIANCE APPLICATION, BUT I THINK THEY FELT UNANIMOUSLY THAT IT WAS, UH, A WORTHY PROPOSAL TO GO TO ZONING.
AND JOSH, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK YES, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE MINIMUM 10,000 SQUARE FEET SINCE THAT DOES WORK.
IT DOES SEEM THAT WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU SHOWED US AT THE BEGINNING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT NUMBERS, AND I MEAN, IT'S SO MANY, IT'S LIKE SPAGHETTI IS TO THIS, THIS IS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I THINK 95, 85, 75, 50, THIS, THAT, EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT TO YOUR POINT.
UM, WE CAN SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE, THIS WAS PLATTED IN 1906, SO OUR
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NEW ZONING CODE FROM 1960, UH, KIND OF DOESN'T REALLY APPLY.AND WE CAN, I THINK, REALISTICALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE ARE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED SINCE THEN AND NONE OF THEM HAVE THAT CONDITION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO, BUT, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT AN ARBITRARY SIZE.
I MEAN, THESE WERE ORIGINALLY LOT 13 AND LOT 14, AND THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY BEING RESTORED TO THEIR HISTORICAL SIZE PRIOR TO BEING MERGED.
I MEAN, THEY WERE, THEY EXISTED AS THESE TWO LOTS AT SOME POINT MM-HMM
JUST LIKE THE TWO BEHIND THEM.
ARE WE ABOUT DONE HERE? QUESTIONS? GOOD PREP, GOOD PREPARATION.
SO, UM, JUST, JUST AS A LITTLE START ON THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE A, I KNOW BIG, I WOULDN'T SAY THIS IS A BIG CROWD OR EVERYTHING, BUT WE PUT, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS OF THREE MINUTES, TWO MINUTES, ONE MINUTES.
BUT I ALSO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE HERE ABOUT VARIANCES.
OKAY? WE'RE NOT HERE ABOUT VIEW PRESERVATION.
WE'RE NOT HERE ABOUT, UM, STORM WATER, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
WE'RE NOT HERE ABOUT STEEP SLOPES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE PLANNING BOARD ALL TOOK UP.
SO IF YOU COULD BE FOR OR AGAINST ABOUT THE THREE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
AND FINALLY, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF LETTERS, AND I KNOW WE'VE READ MOST OF THEM, PROBABLY 90% OF US.
AND IF, IF YOU CAN REPEAT, TRY TO PICK THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE TO YOU TO REMIND US OF WHAT YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST SAYING IN THIS PUBLIC PART OF THIS MEETING.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN STAND IN LINE IF YOU WANT, OR YOU CAN JUST COME UP ONE ON THE LINE AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND LET'S HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO COME UP, SIR.
UNLESS YOU'RE HAVING A PROBLEM.
AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
I, UM, MY NAME IS ADAM MELNICK.
I LIVE, UH, SIX SHELDON PLACE.
I SAW YOU IN THE, UH, IN THE PLANNING MEETINGS.
BUT I'M ACTUALLY, UM, REALLY NICE UP THERE, UH, WHICH I JUST LOST.
BUT, UM, A NEIGHBOR WHO CAN'T CANNOT BE HERE ASKED ME TO READ, UH, A SHORT EMAIL.
AND I DO HAVE SOMETHING WHICH I WILL READ A LITTLE LATER.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT MAKES ME FEEL, UH, TAKE YOUR TIME.
THIS IS, UM, FROM, UH, UH, WELL, IT SAYS THE NAME.
IN THE GOOD EVENING, I'M MAKING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
NINA ANO AND STEPHEN CUNNINGHAM, WHO LIVE AT FOUR WAGNER PLACE URGE THIS BOARD TO DENY THE SUBSTANTIAL VARIANCES SOUGHT TO ALLOW THE LOT AT 16 SHELDON PLACE TO BE SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD TO A DEVELOPER TO BUILD ANOTHER HOME IN HASTINGS.
WE HAVE ASKED OUR NEIGHBORS TO READ OUR COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD, BECAUSE LONGSTANDING TRAVEL PLANS PREVENT US FROM BEING PRESENT AT TONIGHT'S PUBLIC MEETING.
AS THE LENGTHY SUBMISSIONS AND OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION APTLY DEMONSTRATE GRANTING THIS REQUEST WILL FOREVER CHANGE.
THE CHARACTER OF THE LOCUST HILL NEIGHBORHOOD WILL VIOLATE THE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING CODE AND WILL IMPROPERLY ELEVATE THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO, UM, SORRY, I'M A LITTLE, UH, TO MAKE A PROFIT OVER THE QUIET USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
THE FUTURE OF THE LOCUST HILL NEIGHBORHOOD IS SQUARELY IN THIS BOARD'S HANDS.
WE URGE YOU TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND NOT PERMIT PATCHWORK PLANNING, WHICH SEEKS TO HAPHAZARDLY BUILD INCREASED BUILDABLE LOTS TO REPLACE THE THOUGHTFUL PLANNING REQUIRED BY THE ZONE THE ZONING CODE.
AS THE EOT HAS JUST STARTED, THE PUBLIC PROCESS REQUIRED TO FINALIZE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE URGE THIS BOARD TO RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO IGNORE THE LEGAL PRECEDENT THAT WILL FOREVER ALTER THE PROTECTIONS RELIED ON BY PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THE LAST 65 YEARS.
IN THIS AR 10 ZONE, GRANTING THE SUBSTANTIAL VARIANCES TO ALLOW THE LOT TO BE SUBDIVIDED IS WRONG FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WRONG FOR HASTINGS, AND WILL ONLY BENEFIT DEVELOPERS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO CALL HASTINGS HOME.
WE THANK YOU FOR REVIEWING THE SUBMISSIONS AND FOR THE TIME YOU VOLUNTEER ON THIS
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BOARD.I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALSO SUBMITTED IN WRITER.
I RESIDE AT 1 21 ACRES PIERCE LANE.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN HOOK UP MY, OOH, THANK YOU.
OOPS, THAT DIDN'T MEAN TO DO
LET ME, OH, I WANT TOO MANY THERE.
ANYWAY, LET'S, UH, BUT I'M GONNA COME UP TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
SO LET ME JUST FIRST SAY, SO I RESIDE AT 1 21 EDWARDS LANE, WHICH STANDS DIRECTLY, UH, EAST AND SHARES THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE PROPOSED 16 SHELDON SUBDIVISION AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING LOT.
AND I THOUGH WE'VE HEARD THAT WE'RE UNCLEAR IF THERE'S A HOME TO BE BUILT, BUT A HOME BEING BUILT ON THAT LOT WOULD COMPLETELY ELIMINATE OUR, UH, EXISTING HUDSON RIVER AND PALISADE VIEW AND A VIEW WE'VE ENJOYED FOR 32 YEARS, AND WHICH CONTRIBUTES BOTH TO THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY AND OUR ENJOYMENT, AND ALSO IMPACTS THE POTENTIAL OF A HOUSE THERE WOULD IMPACT OUR, UH, PRIVACY AND OPEN AIR GREEN SPACE.
UH, REALTORS HAVE ADVISED US THAT, UH, WE CAN EXPECT ANYWHERE FROM A TWO AND A HALF TO 5% DECREASE IN OUR HOME VALUE, PERHAPS MORE IF THE LOT IS DEVELOPED.
AND I'M GONNA HAPPY TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE PICTURES.
SO THIS IS A VIEW FROM OUR, UH, OUR SECOND FLOOR OF, UH, LOOKING OUT OVER THE RIVER.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A MOON SET LOOKING OVER, UH, THE HUDSON THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE HUDSON THERE.
THAT'S, UH, SO THAT WAS AN EVENING.
THIS IS THE MORNING SUNRISE HITTING THE PALISADES FROM OUR HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS NEXT ONE IS, WELL, GRANTED, UH, OH, THIS WAS THIS EVENING AN HOUR AGO OR TWO HOURS AGO NOW.
UH, THIS WAS AN EVENING TAKEN FROM THERE.
AND THE VAL, MAYBE THE VALUE HERE, YOU CAN SEE, SO THERE'S THE GARAGE IN THE BACK OF OUR LOT, BUT FROM THIS PICTURE HERE, A LITTLE WIDER ANGLE, YOU CAN SEE THE PIC, THE EXISTING HOUSE AT 16 SHELDON THAT THEY RESIDE IN.
AND THIS IS ALSO THE HOUSE THAT'S DIRECTLY SOUTH, THE MEL MIX HOUSE THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT, UH, IS INVOLVED.
AND THIS, WHILE THIS NEXT ONE WHILE PURELY SPECULATIVE, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE EXACTLY OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS PROPOSED, THIS IS SORT OF, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OF WHAT THE SPECULATIVE HOUSE WOULD BE.
AND WHILE I CAN'T SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, I TRY TO SCALE IT TO ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF WHAT IT PERHAPS WOULD BE.
WE DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT WHERE IN THE, UM, SLOPE IT WOULD BE SITUATED EXACTLY.
BUT YEAH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WOULD LARGELY OR COMPLETELY OBSCURE THE HUDSON VIEW AND THE, UH, PALISADES VIEW THAT WE HAVE.
SO I THINK THAT IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS HERE.
AS FINALLY HAS BEEN CON ALREADY DISCUSSED HERE, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THE COMPELLING DIFFICULTY, UH, MAKING THE ZONING CHANGE NECESSARY.
I MEAN, I THINK OTHER THAN THE APPLICANTS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THE OUT LOT TO A DEVELOPER AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF WOULD BE PURELY SO THAT IT CAN EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED WHENEVER THAT MAY BE.
UM, AS BEEN MENTIONED, I THINK THE PRECEDENT FOR THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER HOUSE, I THINK THERE ARE AT LEAST 14 OTHER, THE HOUSES IN LOCUST HILL THAT ARE POTENTIALLY THESE DOUBLE LOTS, WHICH THIS PRECEDENT MAY SET AN EXAMPLE THAT MAY GO FORWARD AND MAY UNDERLYINGLY POTENTIALLY DESTROY THE, UH, SPECIAL CHARM OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I HOPE THE BOARD WILL TAKE THESE CONCERNS INTO ITS CONSIDERATION AS IT THINKS ABOUT THIS VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING, UH, UH, OFFERED HERE TODAY.
AND WHILE I DO APPRECIATE THE HISTORY LESSON THAT WAS GIVEN EARLIER TODAY, IT WAS VERY FASCINATING TO HEAR.
I DO THINK MOST OF THE, UH, LOTS THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING WERE ALL DONE PRIOR TO THE EXISTING ZONING CODE, AS WAS POINTED OUT.
AND THAT THE REALLY, THE ZONING LAWS OF 1960 ISH WERE, HAVE REALLY ACCOMPLISHED EXACTLY WHAT THEY SET OUT TO DO, WHICH WAS TO PRESERVE THE COMMUNITY AS WE HAVE IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE,
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I GUESS WE CAN LOOK AT WHETHER THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE REEVALUATED IN STATUTE AND, UH, UH, THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, BUT I THINK THE VARIANCES WOULD NOT BE TO OUR PREFERENCE, AND THEREFORE WE ARE OPPOSED.BACK, ADAM MELNICK SIX SHELDON PLACE.
UM, I, I, I WANT TO FIRST JUST SAY, JUST TO CLEAR, UH, CONTEXT UP THERE, THERE, THERE IS ONLY ONE HOUSE ON SHELDON PLACE.
OURS, WE ARE THE 78 FOOT LOT, UM, THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY WITH A SHELDON PLACE ADDRESS.
UM, MINTER, I THINK IT'S 22 MINTURN, ALSO AT THE CORNER OF SHELDON.
MINTER HAS NO DRIVEWAY OR NO GARAGE.
SO THEY ALSO MUST PARK ON THAT, THAT PART OF SHELDON PLACE.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, MINTER IS TOO STEEP TO PARK ON.
SO IT'S REALLY USED THAT THAT DEAD END STREET IS USED BY, BY TWO HOUSEHOLDS, UM, FOR PARKING NECESSARILY.
UM, IF I CAN JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND.
YOU KNOW, WE, FOR THE PARKING WAS THE PLANNING, UH, THING.
I KNOW THAT RIGHT? NO, I, I THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH THE VARIANCES.
THAT'S THE, IT'S OUR OWN PREDICTION.
I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THE OKAY.
UM, I WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN APPROACHING THIS SUBDIVISION AND VARIANCES, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT A POTENTIAL HOUSE.
AND I THINK IT'S SLIGHTLY DISINGENUOUS TO SAY IT MIGHT BE BUILT DIFFERENTLY.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND I THINK IT'S RIGHT TO LOOK AT THE MAXIMUM BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IF SOLD, UH, MAY, UH, IF IF, IF I WAS DEVELOPING IT, I WOULD BUILD THE MAXIMUM I COULD.
SO I THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TEST, IF YOU WILL, TO DISCUSS.
UM, I, I, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, JUST TO SET, UH, I WANNA TALK ABOUT CONTEXT 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT CONTEXT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF LOCUS HILL, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T, UH, OFFICIALLY, I, I SUPPOSE GO TO EUCLID.
IT'S EDGAR'S MINTER FLOWER, UH, SHELDON PLACE.
AND THEN NOW WE'RE ADDED LATER ZINZER PLACE AND WAGNER PLACE.
SO I, I THINK, UM, THE A THE APPLICANT IS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THE 80 FOOT LOTS AND LESS THAN 80 FOOT LOTS AND THE CONTEXT OF SIZE.
BUT, UH, THE CONTEXT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES, UH, IS, HAS NOT REALLY BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND I THINK THAT ANY DRIVE OR WALK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD SHOW THAT WHATEVER THE LOT THEY, THE, THE HOUSES WERE, UH, SITUATED ON THOSE LOTS TO DO A FAIR DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES OVER TIME.
TREES, UH, MAYBE WALLS, BUT TREES FILL IN AND IT REALLY FEELS SPACIOUS.
UM, THERE, I, THE, UM, SO THIS DIRECTLY GOES TO ONE VARIANCE.
UM, THE HOUSE, UH, THAT WILL BE BUILT, UM, UH, OUR HOUSE, WHICH IS SOUTH OF THE HOUSE THAT WILL BE BUILT, UM, STANDS A DISTANCE OF, UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 14, DEPENDING, IT'S ON AN ANGLE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE DEAD END, UM, FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UM, THE PROPOSED HOUSE SITS, UH, 18 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
ACTUALLY, THE DECK IS 18 FEET, THE OPEN DECK, UH, TO BE USED, UM, FOR LIFE.
UM, SO THAT'S, UH, A SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 28 AND 32 FEET.
I USE THE TERM 30 FEET, JUST AN AVERAGE.
AND OF THE 52 HOUSES IN THIS AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LOCUST HILL, UH, FIVE, HAVE THAT 30 FOOT OR LESS BETWEEN THEM LIVING SPACE TO LIVING SPACE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HOUSE TO HOUSE AT THE NORTHERN SIDE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE HOUSE TO HOUSE IS 19 TWO.
UM, I COULDN'T GET, THERE'S ONLY ONE HOUSE THAT MIGHT BE LESS THAN THAT, WHICH IS 66 TO 68 EDGARS ONLY ONE.
AND IT'S OFFSET ONE IS FURTHER AWAY.
SO THERE'S A DIAGONAL, I DON'T KNOW, I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE THE SHORTEST DISTANCE OR THE SECOND SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN HOUSES, LIVING SPACE TO LIVING SPACE IN THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THIS CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD VISUALLY, IN MY OPINION.
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, VISUALLY, BUT ALSO LIFE.THE, THE PRIVACY, THE DARKNESS, THE, THAT, THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT MANY PEOPLE ENJOY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WOULD BE CHANGED.
AND THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IT WOULD CHANGE FOR US AND IT WOULD CHANGE FOR THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IT WOULD, I, I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE WHEN, UM, THE APPLICANT MOVED ON, WHEN THEIR, WHEN THE NEW HOUSE PEOPLE MOVED ON.
IT CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT CHANGES THE FLOW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, UH, RIGHT, WE HAVE, AND WE ALSO HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, THIS, UM, THIS 30 FOOT DISTANCE THAT IS, UH, PLUNKED DOWN.
UH, AND WHAT, WHAT WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS AS WELL AS THE, UM, UH, LIKE OUR NEIGHBORS ON EDGAR'S LANE WHO ARE LOSING THEIR VIEW.
WE'VE HEARD ALSO THAT IT NOT ONLY WILL BE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE WHERE WE SIT ON THE PORCH AND WE WILL HAVE A PORCH NEXT, UH, NEAR US, UH, LESS THAN 30 FEET AWAY.
UM, WE WOULD LOSE ECONOMIC VALUE.
WE'RE, WE'RE QUOTED SOMEWHERE AROUND THREE TO 5%.
THESE, THESE ARE ALL IN YOUR, IN YOUR LETTER.
AND I ASKED IF YOU COULD JUST HONE IN ON THE MOST IMPORTANT.
AND, AND I THINK THOSE ARE, THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
I WANTED TO, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.
UH, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SORRY, BUT YEAH, NO, UH, WE READ IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT AND, UM, WE'LL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
NO, I, I HAVE, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY THEN.
I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER AT UH, TWO ZINZER WAY, JUST OFF OF, UH, EDGAR'S.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK IN, UH, SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, PLAN.
I THINK THE IDEA THAT THIS IS GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A BIT ABSURD.
EVERY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ON A PLOT EXACTLY THIS SIZE OR SMALLER OR SLIGHTLY BIGGER.
IT WILL FIT PERFECTLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGE TO THE CHARACTER THAT COMES FROM THIS VARIANCE IN THE WIDTH.
UH, AND I SEE, UH, A SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE MY TAXES TO GO DOWN.
AND HAVING ANOTHER TAXPAYER IN THE AREA IS ONE OF THE, IS ONE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AND THERE ARE VERY FEW OPPORTUNITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ADDING HOUSING STOCK.
AND SO MY BELIEF IS THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD PROPOSAL.
I SEE NO IMPACT TO THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A DEAD END.
IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY THIS ALL THE TIME.
THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREET.
I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, THIS IMPACTS THEM.
BUT AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I, I SEE BASICALLY NO IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MY QUALITY OF LIFE.
I WASN'T GONNA SPEAK, BUT NOW I FEEL I HAVE TO, MY NAME IS HOPE, HOPE BERKELEY.
I'M MARRIED TO THAT GUY WITH THE WHITE HAIR.
WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE LOSING OUR VIEW.
IT'S VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO FORTH.
AND THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AND THESE ARE LOVELY PEOPLE AND I, I DON'T WANNA HURT THEM.
AND WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE, I FEEL BAD FOR YOU GUYS 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA HURT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IT'S VERY EASY TO SAY YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS WHEN YOU DON'T LIVE RIGHT THERE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR LIFE EVERY DAY IS GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE LOOK OUT OF OUR HOUSE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE OUR VIEW.
AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSE IS OUR MAJOR ASSET THAT WE HAVE SAVED UP TO BUY AND IT'S GONNA DECREASE TO SOME EXTENT IN HIGH, IN PROPERTY VALUE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A COMPELLING REASON WHY THEY HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PROPERTY.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME COMPELLING REASON BECAUSE PEOPLE, PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO LIVE RIGHT AROUND, ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY IT.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THAT, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, OH, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED FOR 30 AND 40 YEARS LIKE WE HAVE WITH LIKE, LET'S SAY, UM, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT MAYBE BILL SMITH OR OTHERS WHO HAVE, OR, OR THE FINS LET'S SAY, WHO HAVE LIVED WITH DOUBLE LOTS AROUND THEM AND NOW THESE CAN SUDDENLY BE DEVELOPED.
THEY'RE GONNA BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED TOO.
AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE UPSET.
THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA SAY ABOUT THE IDEA THAT BECAUSE THESE THINGS EXISTED IN 1906, WE SHOULD JUST GO BACK TO IT.
WELL, A LOT OF THINGS EXISTED IN 1906 THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANNA GO BACK TO.
I DON'T THINK THESE PEOPLE IN 1960 WHO MADE THE R 10 ZONING WERE THAT DUMB.
I THINK THEY DID IT FOR A VERY GOOD REASON.
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AND THAT'S THE END OF MY STATEMENT.MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MS. WHITEHEAD, MR. MANZI NEIGHBORS, UM, I HAVE TO START WITH SAYING I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE BEING HERE.
COULD YOU, JUST FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? I THOUGHT I DID.
BILL SMITH 46 SHELDON PLACE IN THE HISTORIC LOCUST HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH AS WE'VE SET FORTH IN OUR VARIOUS LETTERS, UM, INCLUDES SHELDON MINTER, EDGAR'S PART OF FLOWER, NOT WAGNER PLACE, WHICH IS ACCESSES ON THE BROADWAY.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, I SUBMITTED A VERY LENGTHY LETTER.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE FACT THAT IT COULDN'T GET TO YOU EARLIER.
IT TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO PREPARE IT.
I PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT IN IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THIS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO PUSH THIS INTO NEXT MONTH.
I CAN GO THROUGH THE VARIOUS PROVISIONS THAT I HAVE IN THERE.
'CAUSE I THINK THEY FALL INTO A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES.
BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ALL.
UM, AND THAT IS WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO HASTINGS IN 1993, DECEMBER, SO I'LL SAY 1994, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE LOT NEXT DOOR, 84 FOOT WAS UNBUILDABLE.
AND OVER THE YEARS WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WAS RIGHT IN THE R 10 DISTRICT.
THESE WERE UNBUILDABLE LOTS, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ASIDE THE SUBDIVISION, GET TO THESE LOTS.
SO THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE WAY THINGS HAVE GONE.
WENT FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS OR SO.
THERE I GATHER THERE MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGES, UM, IN THE WAY THAT THE VILLAGE AND YOU ALL LOOK AT, UM, THE R 10 DISTRICT AND WHETHER OR NOT THESE LOTS ARE NOW CONSIDERED TO BE BUILDABLE DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR WIDTH OF IT A HUNDRED FEET.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD, I, I'VE LOOKED AT THE LAW AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY IMMEDIATE CHANGES THAT I COULD IDENTIFY IN THE R 10 DISTRICT OR IN ANY OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE LAW THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THERE SHOULD BE THIS CHANGE.
SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF POLICY CHANGE THAT CAME ABOUT THAT HAS ALLOWED FOR THESE CHANGES TO HAPPEN.
AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL IS WHAT WAS THAT POLICY CHANGE? WHEN WAS IT MADE? AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR IT? IT REALLY HAS TO COME FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THEIR BE I DON'T, I I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA LIKE MY ANSWER, BUT, UM, NOW I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU CERTAINLY, UM, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE, RIGHT? WHETHER, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT LOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHETHER IT HAPPENED OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE VARIANCES AND THAT'S IT.
CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT ALL YOU WANT.
WELL, I'M, NO, I'M NOT GONNA DO ALL YOU WANT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.
CHUCK, CHAIRMAN, AT THIS POINT THEN, I MEAN IF YOU SAY THAT ALL YOU'RE GONNA DEAL WITH WAS THE THREE VARIANCES, THAT'S ALL I CAN NO, NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
AND I DON'T, I'M SORRY TO DISAGREE WITH YOU.
HOW ABOUT LIKE, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
CHAIRMAN QUINLAN, I RESPECTIVELY DISAGREE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT TAKING IT PERSONALLY, BUT YES, THESE, THESE, THESE WERE MAILINGS WERE SENT OUT, UH, TIMES WERE TOLD PEOPLE ARE HERE AND I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T MAKE UP ANYTHING EXCEPT THESE THREES VARIANTS.
THAT'S ALL I CAN DO IS, UH, VOTE UP OR VOTE DOWN.
IT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WHEN I APPEARED BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, I GOT UP, I RAISED TWO REGULATORY PROVISIONS.
THAT'S IN THE CODE DEALING WITH OPEN SPACES.
ONE IS THEY'RE BOTH YARD REQUIREMENTS.
ONE HAS TO DO WITH SUBDIVISIONS AND THE OTHER ONE HAS TO DO WITH IS OPEN SPACES ONE, YOU KNOW, THE PARTICULAR WOODY YARD REQUIREMENT FOR WHEN A LOT IS SUBDIVIDED.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SUBDIVISION MM-HMM
SO, AND THAT'S WHY A VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED FOR THE NO, BUT WHAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M OFFICIALLY REQUESTING IS AN INTERPRETATION OF THOSE TWO PROVISIONS FROM THE BOARD.
AND THE LAW SAYS THAT YOUR JURISDICTION IS GRANTING OF VARIANCES AND INTERPRETING THE CODE.
THERE'S NO APPLICATION IN FRONT OF THEM FOR AN INTERPRETATION.
THEY WILL MAKE AN INTERPRETATION UPON AN APPLICATION.
THERE'S BEEN NO APPLICATION MADE TO THEM.
THE INTERPRETER OF THE CODE IN THE FIRST
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INSTANCE IS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.THEY WILL HEAR AN INTERPRETATION IF SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH AN INTERPRETATION MADE BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THEY WILL HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR AN INTERPRETATION.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF THEM, THE APPLICATION THAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND BY THE WAY, ANY PROVISION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE CAN BE VARIED.
THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD EXISTS FOR, TO GRANT VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO I'VE LOOKED THROUGH, I'M, I'M SORRY, THOSE SECTIONS ARE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THERE IS A, THE, EVERYBODY HAS ACKNOWLEDGED HERE THAT THERE IS A SIDE YARD SETBACK VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THE PROPOSED NEW LOT LINE.
THIS BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THAT VARIANCE IF THEY FIND IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT DESPITE OUR REQUEST FOR THE ZONING BOARD TO INTERPRET THESE PROVISIONS, THE, THE REQUEST CAME IN A LETTER AT SIX O'CLOCK TONIGHT.
THERE IS NO APPLICATION THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
INTERPRETATIONS HAVE TO BE MADE ON AN APPEAL FROM A DETERMINATION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND IT HAS TO BE PUT BEFORE THEM IN THE FORM OF AN APPLICATION.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE APPLICATION CAN ONLY BE MADE BY NO, AN APPLICANT FOR AN, AN APPLICATION FOR AN INTERPRETATION CAN BE MADE.
BUT FIRST THERE HAS TO BE A DETERMINATION FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND THEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT, YOU CAN APPEAL HIS INTERPRETATION TO THIS BOARD.
BUT IT HAS TO BE BY APPLICATION.
YOU CAN'T SEND IN A LETTER AT SIX O'CLOCK TONIGHT SAYING PLEASE INTERPRET THIS.
I RAISED THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU TOLD ME TO BRING HIM TO THE, YOU TOLD ME TO BRING HIM TO THE ZONING BOARD, NOT THE I INTERPRETATION.
YOU TOLD ME TO BRING HIM TO THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU DIDN'T SAY TO ME, HEY, YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION.
YOU GOT YOU ALL AND APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
THE ISSUE OF THE VARIANCE IS THE ISSUE OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACK VARIANCE IS WHAT I TOLD YOU IS FOR THIS BOARD.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT AN INTERPRETATION.
WE TALKED ABOUT SIDE YARD SETBACK VARIANCE.
I, NO, I WALKED UP TO YOU AND I SAID I HAD RAISED THESE TWO STATUTORY, I'M GONNA, I'M SORRY, I GOTTA RECORD.
YOU DIDN'T CALL THEM INTERPRETATIONS.
STATUTORY PROVISIONS CAN BE VARIED BY THIS BOARD.
AND THAT'S WHY I TOLD YOU THE VARIANCES FROM THE STATUTES, FROM THE CODE COME BEFORE THIS BOARD.
AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THIS ANY FURTHER HERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE MISSED OUR OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REQUEST AN INTERPRETATION? OR CAN WE STILL REQUEST AN INTERPRETATION? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT DETERMINATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND ISN'T THERE A PROVISION THAT WHEN THERE'S A SUBDIVISION, THAT THERE ISN'T AN APPLICATION REALLY BEING MADE AND IT IT YOU'VE SORT OF, AND I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC PROVISION, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT HE'S REALLY NOT MAKING AN INTERPRETATION.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE PROCESS, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION MADE, EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION MADE BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE VARIANCES.
SO NONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT I RAISED IN MY LETTERS RELATED TO THE REGULATIONS ARE PARTICULARLY RAISED FOR, UM, ARE GONNA BE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING OR CONSIDERED BY YOU.
WELL FIRST OF ALL, THEY CAN'T DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT THEY JUST RECEIVED THIS EVENING.
EVEN IF YOU HAD SPOKEN TO ME ABOUT IT, I'M NOT THE BOARD, BUT SOME OF THEM, I, I'M GONNA TELL YOU OR ACTUALLY, BUT THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN ALWAYS PUT IT OVER TO NEXT MONTH TO SOME OF THEM ARE INCORRECTLY STATED.
UM, AND ARE, ARE NOT ACCURATE.
THIS IS NOT AN APPLICATION TO SUBDIVIDE A NON-CONFORMING LOT.
IT'S AN APPLICATION TO TAKE A CONFORMING LOT AND SUBDIVIDED THE LOTS TO BE CREATED WILL BE NON-CONFORMING.
BUT THE, WAIT A MINUTE, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION THEN? IF THERE IS A NORTH SIDE 26 FOOT LOT AND A YARD AND THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR 30 FEET IS NOT NON-CONFORMING AND THERE'S A GARAGE THAT'S ONLY THREE FEET FROM THE LINE THAT'S NON-CONFORMING.
SO THE LOT, THAT'S NOT THE STRUCTURE'S ON THE TRUCTURE, THAT'S NOT THE LOT, THE LOT, THE LOT CONFORMS. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LOT CONFORMING AND THE STRUCTURE.
SO STRUCTURES ARE EXISTING LEGAL, NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT IMPACTED BY THE SUBDIVISION.
SO, SO LINDA, CAN I JUST SAY ONE WORD? SURE.
I MEAN YOU'RE GETTING SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU HERE ANY I'VE GOT AN EMERGENCY.
JUST GIMME TWO MINUTES PLEASE.
AND DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR YEAH, I, I DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
I CAN I SPEAK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PRECEDENT? UM, I CAN THAT THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE VARIANCES.
IT IS BECAUSE DON'T YOU HAVE TO LIVE BY, I MEAN EVERYTHING THAT I'VE READ
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HAS SAID THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE BY YOUR PRECEDENT.SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS HAS BEEN A PRECEDENT, THERE WAS REQUEST FOR ONE 50 ED, YOURS.
I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE TO AND LOOKED INTO THE ARCHIVES.
THEY ONLY GO BACK TO 2006 AND THE DECISION WAS IN 2005 THAT TURNED DOWN A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO BUILD ON A LOT LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET.
ALRIGHT, I CAN JUST, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, UH, UH, A PLACE TO ARGUE WHAT PRECEDENT IS AND ISN'T.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT PRECEDENT IS VERY HARD TO FIND IN, IN LAND USE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND ARGUE WITH YOU.
I JUST WANNA RAISE ONE LAST POINT ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, YOU TWO LAST POINTS.
ONE, YOU'RE GONNA SET A FUTURE PRECEDENT AND YOU'RE GONNA BE REZONING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT REZONING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU WILL BE REZONING THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU GET THE, IF YOU MAKE THE VARIANCE.
SO THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO 7.5 AND I POINTED OUT WHY THEY ARE YOU ESSENTIALLY CREATING A HYBRID ZONE AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SET POLICY.
AND I, I'D LIKE TO AND I'LL AT THIS POINT, I CHAIRMAN MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE HEARD YOU, YOU WANT ME TO SIT DOWN? I WILL SIT DOWN.
I WOULD, I I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE SIT DOWN.
I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH WITH IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE TO BE HEARD, THANK YOU.
THAT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT, UM, OH, CAN I MAKE NO, NO MORE UPS.
IN ALL OF THIS EXCITEMENT OF TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS ONE OF MY PASSIONS, I I FORGOT TO TALK ABOUT TWO ASPECTS OF THE VARIANCES THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO CONSIDER.
ONE HAS TO BE, WELL, LET'S START FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO THE BASICS OF THE VARIANCE IS THIS A FIVE POINT TEST, BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT TEST, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THE DETRIMENTS, YOU KNOW, WEIGHED AGAINST THE BENEFITS.
AND WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION FOR THE FARRAGUT AVENUE SUBDIVISION, WHAT WAS PUT FORWARD WAS THAT THE BENEFIT TO BE LOOKED AT WAS THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY OR CREATING A BUILDABLE, I'M SORRY, CREATING A BUILDABLE LOT.
BUT THE, IF A COURT MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WHAT HAS TO BE WEIGHED IS THE FINANCIAL GAINS THAT THEY ARE SEEKING AGAINST ALL OF THE DETRIMENTS THAT, UM, WILL BE APPLIED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, OR WILL BE INCURRED BY THE NEIGHBORS.
OKAY, SO, SO LEMME JUST INTERRUPT YOU.
AND I AM VERY PATIENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, YOUR HONOR, I'M NOBODY.
I'M JUST A ZONING BOARD, UH, MEMBER THAT IS, I'M SORRY I AM RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UM, LET'S, I, MY POWER IS TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THESE THREE VARIANCES.
SO IF YOU WOULD JUST PLEASE SIT DOWN.
I HOPE YOU READ THEN MY PROVISION OF MY LONG LETTER LETTER RELATED TO, I READ FIVE POINTS AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE EVALUATED IN LIGHT OF THE EVIDENCE FOR YOU RECORD.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO BE HEARD? YES.
UM, MY NAME IS CASSANDRA SWEET.
UM, I'M THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE.
MY TEENAGERS JUST TOLD ME I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO KEEP IT SHORT.
UM, UM, UM, WE STARTED THIS ABOUT A YEAR AGO LOOKING TO BUILD A HOME FOR MY MOTHER.
UM, WE HAVE EXPLORED MULTIPLE OPTIONS.
WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND HAD COOKIES AND TEAS AND ATTEMPTED TO WORK WITH THEM AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT IN OUR INTEREST FOR THERE TO BE A HUGE STRUCTURE BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO OUR HOME THAT ALSO ENJOYS VIEWS SOUTHWARD.
WE WERE EXTREMELY RELIEVED AND THOUGHT OUR NEIGHBORS WOULD BE RELIEVED WHEN WE WERE REQUIRED BY THE VILLAGE TO DEVELOP THIS CONCEPTUAL HOUSE THAT WOULD BE VERY LARGE FOR US AS WELL, THAT WE DON'T HAVE INTEREST IN.
UM, AND REALIZING THAT EVEN AT THE MAXIMUM FAR, UM, REQUIRED BY THE VILLAGE, WE COULD MAINTAIN ALL OF THE TREES THAT WE CONSIDER REALLY BEAUTIFUL ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE REALLY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DISRUPTING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, UH, WE HAVE MEASURED THAT STRIP OF SHELDON WITH THESE PARKING ISSUES.
YOU CAN FIT NINE CARS, UM, ALONG THAT.
AND OUR PROPOSAL WOULD NOT ADDRESS THAT AT ALL.
UM, JUST TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN COME TO A DECISION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE CLEARLY WE HAVE BEEN TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOUR
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TIMES AND THE DISCUSSION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, WHILE THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT ARE EXTREMELY UPSET ABOUT THIS, UM, AND WE REALLY EMPATHIZE LIKE CHANGE IS HARD FOR ALL OF US.
UM, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE OF RECORD THAT AS FAR AS OUR UNDERSTANDING IS BETWEEN PLANNING BOARD AND ZONING BOARD, THERE ARE 14 FAMILIES IN THE, IN OUR, IN THIS AREA OF THE 63 THAT WE HAVE NOTIFIED THAT HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, AND, UM, WE'RE REALLY TOUCHED BY THAT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW OVER HALF OF THEM, NEIGHBORS HAVE COME TO US TO SAY, THIS IS A REALLY LOGICAL PLAN.
THIS LOT IS EQUAL TO AND MAKES SENSE WITH ALL OF THE LOTS AROUND IT.
AND THAT FEELS REALLY UNUSUAL AND REALLY TOUCHING, UM, THAT THERE'S SO MUCH CONSCIOUSNESS THAT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS IN OUR VILLAGE, 3% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK HAS ACTUALLY DECREASED.
AND THAT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND SO WE FEEL LIKE YES, THIS BENEFITS OUR FAMILY, BUT ALSO YES, THIS, THESE VARIANCES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE GOOD FOR OUR VILLAGE BECAUSE IF IT'S MY MOM OR YOUR GRANDCHILD OR WHOMEVER IT IS INCREASING THE HOUSING STOCK, WE DO NOT NEED TO PRESERVE DOUBLE LOTS, WHICH ULTIMATELY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO BE BOUGHT BY THE VERY, VERY, VERY WEALTHY.
UM, THAT'S JUST NOT IN THE INTEREST OF OUR VILLAGE.
AND THEN JUST LASTLY, AND THEN I I WILL SIT DOWN DALIA.
UM, WE THOUGHT WE WERE FIRST ON THE AGENDA.
IN LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF, OF LOCUST HILL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH.
WE HAVE THE DEEPEST RESPECT FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO TO EVALUATE.
AND IN PARTICULAR, WE JUST WANTED TO DRAW NOTICE TO SOMETHING THAT I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME.
THAT ACTUALLY IN OUR LITTLE AREA IN 1970, A BLACK FAMILY, UM, ACTUALLY THE CHILDREN OF THE CLARKS, THE FAMOUS PSYCHOLOGIST ON PINECREST, ATTEMPTED TO BUY A HOME ON EUCLID AVENUE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD JUST WHEN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS WERE BUYING THEIR HOMES AND THEY WERE BLOCKED FROM BUYING A HOME.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY FILED A FEDERAL LAWSUIT THAT THEY WON.
UM, THEY WERE AWARDED PUNITIVE DAMAGES AND THERE WAS A CONSENT DECREE.
AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS AFTER THE, THE ZONING LAW IN 1960S.
AND WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE AT THE FRONT LINE REALLY OF DETERMINING TOGETHER WHAT KIND OF VILLAGE THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE THINK IT SHOULD BE A VILLAGE THAT, UM, IS LOGICAL, IS FAIR, IS GROWING.
UM, AND, UM, AND JUST THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
GOING THREE TIMES? OKAY SIR, IF YOU CAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? I'D LIKE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
UH, WELL, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THOSE PICTURES TO ME OF THAT GENTLEMAN'S HUDSON? I KNOW IT'S NOT A VIEW PRESERVATION, WHICH DISTRICT? WHICH, UH, SO I JUST WANT KNOW, YOU KNOW, VIEWS OF THAT RIVER AND, UM, PALISADES FOR ME, YOU, YOU PHONE RECORD, HAVE ANYBODY ELSE, THOSE KIND OF A GOOGLE SNAPSHOTS I FOUND? NO, I THINK HE'S ASKING YOU TO SPEAK TO WHAT ONE OF THE PUBLIC PRESENTED.
I MEAN, I, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I THINK, UM, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, I, I'M JUST GOT, I'M JUST SAYING, I LOOKED AT THOSE PICTURES, YEAH.
AND HE SAYS THEY'RE FROM HIS PROPERTY AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL VIEWS OF THE HUDSON RIVER.
AND THE PALISADES, ALTHOUGH THERE'S NO VIEW PRESERVATION IN THIS DISTRICT, MAYBE THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, I'M SORRY FOR THAT.
BUT PERSONALLY, THOSE VIEWS ARE NOW, THIS IS JUST PERSONALLY YEP.
THAT I WOULDN'T BUY ANOTHER PLACE IN HASTINGS.
I'VE BEEN THERE 45 YEARS ON HILLSIDE, NO VIEWS AT HUDSON.
SO I HAD TO FIND SOME PLACE WHERE I COULD SEE THAT RIVER.
AND I WOULD LIKE, UM, BEFORE BUILD IT, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THAT HOUSE IS BUILT AND THOSE VIEWS ARE ARE LOST.
THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S HARD TO DO.
I, I I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN I ADD MUCH TO THAT SENTIMENT? I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN'T, IT'S, YEAH.
IT'S HARD TO DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL.
UM, I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE IS THAT CHANGE HAPPENS IN THIS VILLAGE.
BUT PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST A HUNDRED YEARS, PRETTY REGULARLY IN PIECES.
AND OVER THAT TIME, THE ZONING BOARD, THE TRUSTEES, THE PLANNING BOARD CREATES OVERLAY ZONES.
A WE SHOULD PROTECT OUR VIEWS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE START TO DEFINE THESE BOUNDARIES.
UM, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED THIS PROPERTY DIDN'T FALL WITHIN THE V PRESERVATION ZONE.
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SO AGAIN, MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER HICCUP IN THE, IN THE ZONING CODE, UH, FOR THE VILLAGE.BUT THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, CHANGE HAPPENS SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EASY.
UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN AND IT HAPPENS HISTORICALLY, SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY ANYBODY? CAN I, I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE, UM, UH, ABOUT THOSE PICTURES.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY WERE TAKEN FROM.
WERE THOSE TAKEN FROM THE GROUND? WERE THEY TAKEN FROM THE SECOND FLOOR? SECOND FLOOR.
SECOND FLOOR AND A PORCH? WE HAVE A PORCH, BUT, BUT, BUT THE PORCH IS ALSO ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
COULD YOU DO ONE OF YOU JUST COME UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION? ONE OF YOU? 'CAUSE I, WE'VE GOTTA PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
WE HAVE TO SWAP TO THE MICROPHONE.
1 21 EDGARS AND ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, THEY WERE TAKEN FROM THE SECOND FLOOR.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? LET'S DO A ONE YOUR TIME.
WELL, YOU MIGHT WANNA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA JUMP TO MAKING A MOTION OR IF YOU WANNA HAVE SOME DISCUSSION BETWEEN OURSELVES.
I MEAN, IT'S UP TO, I'M ON THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON THE RECORD OF SOME OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD AND, OKAY.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, UM, REALLY CRITICAL HERE, UH, AND AND SPEAKS TO PRECEDENT, BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS IS THAT THIS IS A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY.
AND IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IN THINKING ABOUT THIS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, DENSITY, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT ZONING, ONE OF THE KEY PURPOSES IS DENSITY.
THE 10 COMES FROM 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD IS NOT TO, UM, INTERPRET OR CHANGE ZONING, BUT IS TO ALLOW FOR THE FACT THAT, UH, THE ZONING EXISTS IN WORDS AND HAS TO BE INTERPRETED INTO THE REALITY OF LIFE.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE INTENT OF AN R 10 DISTRICT IS FOR THIS TO BE TWO LOTS.
IF WE LOOK AT IT ONLY ON, UM, THE BASIS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THE WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF US IS, ARE WE OKAY TO CONSIDER THAT INSTEAD OF AS A HUNDRED FEET BY A HUNDRED FEET AS BEING 80 BY 1 25? AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, GIVEN HOW PREVALENT IT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY MORE DENSITY THAN THE CODE ALLOWS, AND WE'RE DOING IT IN A SHAPE THAT IS CONTEXTUAL.
SO FOR ME, THE, THE, THE MINIMUM VARIANCES ON THE LOT WIDTH ARE NOT, UM, SOMETHING I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT.
I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE, UM, SIDE YARD SETBACK, THAT IS AN INTERESTING ONE FOR ME BECAUSE, UH, AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE PREVIOUS, UM, THE FARGATE CASE THE OTHER DAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IMPORTANT WAS THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY WERE COMPLIANT IN EVERY OTHER WAY.
AND WHAT WAS IMPORTANT THERE WAS THAT THEY TOOK ON THE BURDEN OF THE SHAPE WITHOUT AFFECTING ANYBODY ELSE.
THEY WEREN'T ANY CLOSER TO ANY OF THEIR NEIGHBORS.
SO I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF MORE OF THE POINT FOR ME BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD THAT ADDITION WITH THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBLE LOT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, SO I DO THINK THERE'S A BURDEN OF THAT IN SUBDIVIDING.
I THINK THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS DO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT IN SOME WAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M IN FAVOR OF LOPPING OFF FIVE SQUARE FEET OR FIVE LINEAR FEET OF THE ADDITION, BUT I, I THINK WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER WHETHER, UM, THERE COULD BE A CONDITION OF AN ADDITIONAL SIDE SETBACK ON THE NEW PROPERTY SO THAT THE COMBINED SETBACK BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE NEW HOUSE, UM, WAS COMPLIANT.
AND, AND THAT MIGHT DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT, IT MIGHT LIMIT WHAT COULD BE BUILT ON THAT NEW LOT.
IT WOULD ALSO PRESERVE A VIEW CORRIDOR BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, AND THE NEW POTENTIAL HOUSE.
UH, AND, AND THAT I THINK WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP TO ALLEVIATE POTENTIALLY THE VIEW CONCERNS OF THE UPHILL NEIGHBORS.
WE CAN'T TAKE THEM AWAY, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN SAY THAT NOTHING WILL BE LESS THAN, WELL, SOMETHING WILL BE LESS THAN NOTHING.
BUT I THINK PART OF THE WAY THEIR VIEW WORKS IS THAT IT'S DIAGONAL THAT THERE'S SPACES BETWEEN HOMES.
UM, AND SO AT THE VERY LEAST THIS MIGHT DO THAT.
BUT IN ANY CASE, I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, UM, SOME RESTRICTIONS AROUND GRANTING THE, UM, SIDE SETBACK TO THE, TO THE INTERNAL PROPERTY LINE.
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UM, I, I CAME IN HERE TONIGHT WITH, UH, AN OPEN MIND AND, UM, THE PRESENTATIONS, AND FROM WHAT I HEARD AND WHAT I READ, IT APPEARED TO ME THAT, UM, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, 20, 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND, UM, THESE WEREN'T THAT SUBSTANTIAL 'CAUSE THEY HAD TO MOVE IT AROUND 'CAUSE OF TOPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.UM, BUT WHAT I'M, I, I PLAN TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF ALL THREE, UM, VARIANCES.
BUT I'M ASKING, AND I DON'T TRUST ALL THESE PICTURES, NOT THE, AND THESE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE AND THIS IS WHERE THE HOUSE WILL BE.
AND THEN THIS IS WHAT OUR HOUSE LOOKS LIKE.
BE FROM, YOU KNOW, BOTH SIDES.
AND I'M JUST ASKING, UM, IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT YOU TAKE, UM, THIS GENTLEMAN AND HIS WIFE SOME, UM, CONCERNS.
MAYBE YOU COULD MOVE THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT SOUTH.
MAYBE YOU COULD A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT NORTH.
MAYBE YOU COULD PUT IT, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOWER, UM, TO, TO SAVE SOMETHING FOR, UM, UH, THE RIVER AND THE PALISADES FOR THAT FAMILY.
UM, BUT UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, IT SEEMS SILLY TO NOT SUBDIVIDE IT AND PUT TWO HOUSES THERE, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN MOVE 'EM AROUND A LITTLE BIT TO, TO PROTECT ONE PERSON'S VIEWS AND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE LARGE.
THEY COULD JUST BE A LITTLE, ANYWAY.
UM, I THINK ACTUALLY IT, IT DOES, UM, THE LOT SIZE, UM, IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THE THING I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THE SAME THING JOSH IS STRUGGLING WITH AND THE SAME THING JERRY MENTIONED, WHICH IS, UM, THE, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THE VARIANCE FOR THAT AND HOW WE MIGHT HANDLE THAT.
UM, I ALSO FEEL GREAT, UM, CONCERNED FOR 1 21.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT A VIEW PRESERVATION DISTRICT.
SO THEIR VIEW, THEIR VIEW IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER THE DETRIMENT OF NEARBY PROPERTIES.
SO THE THING I'M WONDERING IS THE SAME AS JOSH'S, WHICH IS A CONDITION ON THE VARIANCE THAT WE, WE MAINTAIN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, NOT BY LOPPING OFF, UM, THE ADDITION OF, OF THE HOUSE THAT EXISTS, BUT BY, BY, UM, SPREADING, SPREADING IT THE OTHER DIRECTION.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR ON THE, UH, THE SOUTH SIX AND THE CONCERN OF THE TREES AND ALSO THE HEIGHT.
SO I DON'T WANNA CREATE A SITUATION THAT'S WORSE, UM, BY THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD MOVE THE SOUTH.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD MOVE THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
SO ESSENTIALLY THEY'D GET A NARROWER, NARROWER BUILDING BUILDABLE AREA YEAH.
AND THE HEIGHT HAS TO, THE HEIGHT IS THE HEIGHT AND WE'RE REALLY CLEAR ON WHERE THAT HEIGHT IS MEASURED FROM.
'CAUSE THAT COMES BEFORE US A LOT TOO.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOLVING THE WHOLE VIEW PROBLEM, BUT IT, UH, I SPENT TIME LOOKING AT THAT VIEW AND THERE WOULD STILL BE A VIEW OF THE RIVER AND THE PALISADES.
I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, IT'S NOT THE SAME VIEW.
WE SHOULD ALL JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
BUT IT'S A VIEW, UM, AND I THINK THE SAME IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DO, I DO FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE VARIANCE FOR THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH.
I THINK IT, I THINK 16 SHELDON PLACE IS ACTUALLY THE OUTLIER RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I THINK THE REST OF THE LOTS ARE 80 BY 80, UH, 1 25 80 BY 1 25.
SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SIDE YARD, THE CONDITION ON THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
UM, SO WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE FIVE POINTS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT, THAT, UM, THAT I FELT LIKE THAT, THAT WERE MOST POTENTIALLY IMPACTED.
I, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY, OR I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THIS HOUSE WOULD
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BE OUT OF CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, I I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT'S THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S A GREAT STREET FOR KIDS TO PLAY ON.
UM, AND IT IS CLOSE TO THE AQUEDUCT.
UM, AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SITUATION THROUGH THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT UP UNTIL THE POINT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IN THIS DISCUSSION, UM, AS A HOUSE THAT WOULD MAX OUT EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE WORST POSSIBLE IMPACT COULD BE TO, TO EVERYONE.
BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
I, I, I DON'T, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S BE REALISTIC.
UM, OTHERWISE THERE'S NO REAL REASON TO TO, TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
UM, BUT AS MY, UM, FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, HAVE TALKED ABOUT, I, I WHAT I, I, WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FIVE POINTS THAT WE'RE ASKED TO CONSIDER AS BOARD MEMBERS, UM, WHAT I, I I, I REALLY AM FEELING IS, IS IS WHAT I THINK JERRY REALLY SO ELOQUENTLY SAID THAT, UM, BOY, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, UM, IT'S HARD TO THINK OF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD REPLACE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR A, YOU KNOW, A VIEW.
BUT IF WE ARE AS A RESPONSIBLE BOARD, ABLE TO FIND A WAY THAT, BECAUSE I, WHEN I, WHEN I SEE THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN AND I SEE PEOPLE THAT FEEL VERY STRONGLY AND PASSIONATELY AND RIGHTFULLY SO, WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE, WE, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE, UM, THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, BUT IF WE AS A BOARD CAN HELP TO FACILITATE A SOLUTION THAT HELPS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S FIND A WAY TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THIS, THIS, THIS PROPERTY BE SUBDIVIDED, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT EASIER, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
UM, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE EVERYONE WALK OUT OF THIS ROOM TONIGHT FEELING LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE THEY CAN GO BACK HOME AND SEE EACH OTHER ON THE STREET AND, UM, AND BE ABLE TO SAY HELLO.
UM, BUT, UH,
ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
SO, YEAH, I, I HAVE AN EASY JOB BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID WHEN I LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT FACTORS.
AND OUR OBLIGATION IS, AS EVERYONE'S BEEN REMINDED, IT'S PRETTY NARROW.
BUT WE ARE GONNA GRANT A VARIANCE THAT IS THE MINIMUM IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, UM, THE CHANGE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON BOTH SIDES, BUT I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF WHAT BRETT AND, UM, JOSH HAD PROPOSED.
SO THIS WAY WE, AS WE, UM, VOTE AND SHOULD WE DECIDE TO PUT SOME CONDITIONS, THOSE CONDITIONS THAT COULD MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF.
UM, IT WOULD MAKE THE VARIANCE LESS SUBSTANTIAL.
IT WOULD, I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT THAT IT IS AS A, A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFUSING SELF-CREATED VARIANCE BECAUSE WE ARE BEING ASKED WITH THIS FICTION, UM, JUST TO DECIDE ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION WITHOUT TRULY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS FICTIONAL HOUSE.
SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF, UM, THE CONDITION THAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, JOSH AND BRETT, THAT YOU HAD ALSO SORT OF SET A PLUS ONE ON.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ARCHITECTS FOR.
WHILE WE'RE HERE? CHARLES, DO YOU MIND TURNING THAT SCREEN ON AGAIN? OH, I'M SORRY.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE JUST ABOUT DONE HERE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SHOW THAT I THINK IT'S A VERY EASY SOLVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING WHAT IT MEANS, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS, BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING IT, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT'RE ASKING.
AND WE'VE GOTTA PUT SOME NUMBERS.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO CONDITIONS, WE GO AHEAD IN THE R 10 ZONE.
UH, YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE A 30 FOOT, YOU SEEM LIKE A BRIGHT AND YOUNG MAN, SO NOT VERY YOUNG, BUT THANK YOU.
UH, THE, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK IS AN AGGREGATE OF 30 FEET.
UH, IN THIS PROPOSED SPECULATIVE DEVELOPMENT, WE
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HAVE A MINIMUM OF THAT 30 WE RIGHT.WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 12 FEET, AND THEN THE OTHER WOULD BE 18.
OR YOU COULD DO ANY COMBINATION WITHIN THAT RANGE AS LONG AS ONE OF THEM IS 12 FEET.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL IS TO SORT OF SHIFT THE HOUSE TO THE 12 FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS CLOSEST TO THAT NONCONFORMING CONDITION.
IF WE WERE TO, IF YOU GUYS WERE INTERESTED IN DRAFTING LEGISLATION ON THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION WHERE YOU WOULD SAY THE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, UH, VARIANCE CONDITION, CONDITION UH, WHERE THE NORTH SETBACK SIDE YARD HAD TO BE THE 18 AND THEN THE SOUTH WAS 12.
AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT THE IMPACT OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TREES ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT MAY HOPEFULLY NEED TO BE WORKED AROUND, AND THAT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DESIGN AND PUT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AT THE TIME.
SO CAN WE ZOOM IN ON THAT MIKE FOR A SECOND? SURE.
BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THEY MAY BE SAYING TO KEEP THE 18 ON THE SALARY BOTH SIDES.
YEAH, NO, I THINK WHAT, WHAT, WELL, I CAN ALWAYS SPEAK FOR MYSELF WHAT, WHAT I WAS, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT WE'RE GRANTING A 4.9 FOOT VARIANCE, UM, FOR THE EXISTING LOT.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE ADD THAT BURDEN TO THE NEW LOT.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BE 30 FEET IN TOTAL, THAT LOT WOULD NEED TO BE 35, 34 POINT OR 35 FEET.
AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO WAS IT WOULD STILL LEAVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY AROUND THE TREES.
IT WOULD STILL, UM, PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE HEARD FROM, FROM THE SOUTH.
BUT IN MY MIND IT WOULD PUT A BURDEN ON THE NEW PROP ON THE NEW PROPERTY THAT WAS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE BENEFITED FROM THE FULL LOT WHEN THEY BUILT THE ADDITION.
TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK THE SAME.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S, SO I, IDEALLY YOU HAVE 12 AND 12, YOU HAVE A MINIMUM OF 24 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE PROVIDES FOR.
SO I THINK WHAT THEY'RE, YOU SO MORE, MORE TO THE POINT, WE WANT THE FIVE FEET ON THAT SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
YOU, YOU WANT A 24 FEET BETWEEN THOSE TWO HOUSES.
AND YOU WANNA KEEP THE 18 FOOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME TREES THAT HAVE TO BE CUT DOWN.
THERE MIGHT, AND THAT'S A SHAME, BUT, UM, SOMEBODY OWNS THEM.
I, I ALSO JUST, WELL, IF YOU'RE KEEPING THE 18 FEET, YOU'RE PROBABLY, THERE'S ONE YOU MIGHT LOSE.
I ALSO WANT TO JUST ADD THAT, LIKE THAT'S OKAY.
I MEAN IT'S OKAY FOR THAT VIEW.
I MEAN I WOULD, IF IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UP TO ME, BUT, UM, THAT'S WORTH IT TO MAKE EVERYBODY, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T BE, HAVE TO BE OVERJOYED, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY COULD BE SATISFIED THAT THE RIGHT THING WAS DONE AND EVERYONE CAN LIVE WITH IT.
CAN I, UM, YOU MIGHT, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME CONDITIONS AND, AND LOOKING AT A LOT OF THINGS, THIS MIGHT BE ONE WHERE WE WANNA COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH ACTUALLY WRITTEN FINDINGS FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON SOMETHING IN WRITING IN FRONT OF YOU.
I KNOW IT'S A MONTH DELAY, BUT I THINK YOU CAN HEAR OF COURSE.
HOW ABOUT THE 80? CAN WE DO THE 80 FEET? THE TWO 80 FEET? UM, EVERYBODY AGREES THAT THAT'S PERFECTLY, IT'S ALL OVER.
YEAH, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, WE KIND OF, I WOULD RATHER, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU DO THE 80 TONIGHT, IT'S ONE LESS THING TO DISCUSS NEXT TIME.
AND IF WE HAVE A DIFFERENT COMBINATION OF BOARD MEMBERS, I'D JUST LIKE TO WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY, YOU TELL US.
WELL, I, I MEAN, I, I WANNA KIND OF WRITE UPTOGETHER, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE REASONING FOR EVERYTHING ALTOGETHER.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A, A GOOD RECORD HERE.
UM, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU COULD LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT NEXT TIME BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL.
THIS WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED LATE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN TELL YOU IF I THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, IT MAKES THE RECORD MORE COMPLETE ON THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I'VE HEARD YOU ALL, I'VE TAKEN NOTES.
I KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS ARE.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, DO I HAVE A CHOICE?
WE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE SIDE TO SIDE TO DECIDE, BUT I THINK THE REQUEST IS REASONABLE AND OF COURSE WE'LL COME BACK.
I, I, I STILL THINK WE SHOULD HAVE.
THE REASONING PUT TOGETHER BETTER AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE LATE SUBMISSION.
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I MEAN, POINT OF WE'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S JUST ONE MORE MONTH.JUST, I MEAN, FOR POINT OF CLARITY, UH, ARE YOU GONNA BE STILL TAKING LETTERS FROM THE PUBLIC? SHOULD WE STILL BE ENCOURAGING? SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SAY IT, AND WE USUALLY DO, THERE WERE, UM, A NUMBER OF LETTERS RECEIVED.
I THINK, I BELIEVE IT WAS NINE IN OPPOSITION AND NINE IN SUPPORT.
SO WE USUALLY STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN IF THE MATTER IS BEING ADJOURNED FOR A MONTH, THERE IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
MAY I ASK ONE LAST QUESTION? YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
STEVEN JUST MENTIONED AGAIN, 1 21 EDGARS.
UM, MY QUESTION IS TO THE BOARD, IS IT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD TO, UH, CONSIDER LIMITATIONS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED, UH, HOUSE? NO.
WELL COULD WHERE YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISION? WE COULD, BUT, UM, WE HAVE, UM, THE ZONING, I THINK IT'S 35 FEET AND UM RIGHT.
THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND MAYBE TOO RADICAL.
WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY HERE.
IT'S, IT'S HARD GIVEN THAT THE ELEVATIONS AND THE CHANGES IN ELEVATION BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND EVEN ON THE PROPERTY, KIND OF DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WHERE ON THE SLOPE IT'S BUILT, MADE WOULD BE ALL YOU NEED TO DETERMINE.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 35 FEET.
AND THERE IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
I THINK, I THINK IT WAS 17 FEET, WASN'T IT? YEAH.
SO JUST A MOTION TO ADJOURN? YES.
SORRY, MORE JUST YEAH, ADJOURN.
UM, IF YOU GUYS WERE, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO, BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
MIKE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU GET THEM OUT IN THE HALL? WE'RE, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL IN A MEETING HERE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE STILL IN A MEETING.
I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT THERE COULD BE LITIGATION.
I GET, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE RECORD.
AND I DON'T WANT BE WRITING UP SOMETHING I GET AND HAVE IT BE SO YOU GUYS HAVEN'T SEEN.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE TO DO? SORRY, I I WAS JUST GONNA, UH, LINDA REQUEST WE MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD THAT OVER TILL NEXT.
WHAT IS THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING? JUST TO CONTINUE THAT MATTER TO NEXT MONTH.
THIS ONE, THE ONE THAT WE JUST FINISHED THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE HOLDING IT OVER TILL NEXT MONTH.
AND I'LL, I'LL SAY WE'RE HOLDING IT OVER TILL NEXT MONTH.
JUST ON THAT, JUST TO TABLE THAT PROPOSAL ONE WE HAVE, WE HAVE
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THE VILLAGE OF THE PR ZONING DISTRICT.COULD YOU JUST GIVE US A BRIEF? THIS, THIS IS A TWO SECOND ONE AND IT'S REALLY MORE PROCEDURAL THAN ANYTHING.
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND NECESSARY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS DEDICATED A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL VILLAGE OWNED PARCELS AS PARKLAND, WHICH RESTRICTS THEM.
BUT THEY'RE ZONED VARIOUS THINGS FROM R SEVEN FIVE TO R 10 TO R 20 TO, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT ELSE.
UM, BUT THE, SO SINCE THEY'VE NOW BEEN, UM, DEDICATED AS PARKLAND, THEY CAN'T BE DEVELOPED.
BUT YOUR ZONING CODE HAS A PR ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOW REFLECT THIS CHANGE ON THE ZONING MAP AND REZONE ALL OF THOSE PARCELS TO THE PARK ZONING DISTRICT.
TECHNICALLY THE CODE READS THAT ANY VILLAGE PARKLAND IS ZONED PR, BUT WE'RE DOING THIS JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND HAVE THE MAP REFLECTED.
SO THAT'S ALL THIS ORDINANCE, ALL THIS PROPOSED LAW DOES.
AND, AND THIS WAS THE EMAIL THAT WE GOT LAST MONTH THAT HAD THE DIFFERENT, UH, LIKE KIND OF THAT'S IT PARCELS THAT WERE KIND OF YES.
THEY WERE PARKS, BUT THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEDICATED PARK ALL OFFICIALLY PUT IN THE ZONING.
SO CAN WE HAVE
SO, UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS REQUIRED TO REFER ANY ZONING AMENDMENTS TO YOU FOR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION BACK.
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AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE DOING IT.I WILL PUT THAT IN A MEMO TO APPROVED EVERYBODY, EV EVERYBODY ON BOARD HERE.
AND, UH, WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY IN A MONTH.
WAIT, YOU HAVE, OH, WE GOT MOTION.
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JUST LEAVE THERE.UM, I HAD TWO, TWO CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH.
I WAS, I WAS BLABBERING A LOT MORE LAST MONTH THAN I TYPICALLY.
SO YOU CHECKED OUT
ONE IS A, IT SAYS INAPPROPRIATE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND ONE SAYS HIGH LEVEL.
IT SHOULD BE EYE LEVEL, BUT THAT'S IT.
SO YOU GUYS WERE BOTH HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE THREE, THREE OF YOU CAN VOTE ON THOSE MINUTES APPROVED MOTION.
MOTION BY BETH SECOND RICHARD? YEP.
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THE LAST THING REAL QUICK.YOU ALL, I THINK GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BEING REFERRED TO YOU, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS GONNA HAVE THEIR PUBLIC HEARING APRIL 1ST, I BELIEVE.
WE THINK THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA SET IT FOR, SO, UM, IF EVERYBODY COULD READ IT, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, AND MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A FEW MINUTES AT YOUR MARCH MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS.
SO, BUT HOW DO WE, SO WE SEND, WE'LL JUST DISCUSS OUR COMMENTS AND NOTHING TO DO BEFOREHAND.
WHO A MOTION TO ADJOURN? THEY GOT IT.
JERRY, I PROMISED YOU WE'D BE DONE BY NINE.