* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. DELETE, YOU KNOW, [00:00:02] BUT, UM, , THAT'S IT. SO [Call to Order] I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING ON THURSDAY, APRIL 24TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM WE ARE WAITING FOR JERRY, JUST GOTTA SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT LOUDER. OKAY? OKAY. YOU WANT ME TO DO IT OVER? UM, I'M SURE YOU'RE OKAY. OKAY. JUST GO GOING FORWARD IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHARLES. THANK YOU CHARLES. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, SO WE ARE WAITING FOR THE ARCHITECT ON THE ONLY CASE THAT WE'RE ON TODAY. SO, UM, EVERYBODY CAN RELAX UNTIL HE'S, UH, COMING IN ABOUT FIVE OR 10 DAYS. FIVE OR FIVE OR 10 MINUTES. , [Approval of Minutes] CAN WE REVIEW AND IMPROVE THE MINUTES OUT OF ORDER? SURE, WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN IF YOU WANT. IF YOU WANT, YOU NEED ANNOUNCE THE NEXT, YOU WANT TO, IT'S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN. HE'S HUNGRY. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NICKS. OH, THE NICKS. HOW ABOUT THE METS? I FORGET THE NICKS. ANYWAY, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO THE, UH, THE MINUTES, THE REGULAR MINUTES OF MARCH 27TH, 2025. UH, WHO WAS THERE? I WAS THERE. YOU WERE THERE. I WAS THERE. BRIAN WASN'T. I THINK I WAS THERE, BRETT. AND YOU WERE THERE? YEP. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES OR DELETIONS IN THAT, IN THOSE MINUTES? NOPE. NO, NO, NO, NO. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO, OH, HI BRETT. HI. HOW ARE YOU? , I SEE YOU SNEAK IN. NICE TO SEE YOU. YOU TOO. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION. I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING OF MARCH 27TH. SECOND PLEASE. ALL SECOND. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THERE WE GO. WAS THAT EVERYBODY? YES, IT WAS. IT WAS. BRIAN CAN VOTE. UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. WHAT? OH, BRIAN DIDN'T, COULDN'T VOTE. HE WASN'T HERE. I WASN'T HERE. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. SO, FOUR MEMBERS. OKAY. COULDN'T VOTE. YEAH, HE WASN'T HERE. NO PROBLEM. BRAD, HOW DID YOUR, UM, I RAN INTO IT, UH, AMY. AND SHE SAID THAT YOU HAD A HUGE PRESENTATION. WAS IT TUESDAY? YEAH, I WAS JUST TELLING EVERYONE. SO WE, WE HAD A FOUR HOUR PUBLIC HEARING AT LANDMARKS. BUT YOU WERE OVER THERE? NOT OVER HERE. NO, I WAS, I WAS OVER THERE. I LEARNED A LOT SITTING OVER HERE, WHAT TO DO WHEN, UM, OVER THERE. AND WE, UH, IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. THAT'S WONDERFUL. YEAH, IT WAS REALLY EXCITING. IT WAS, UH, IT WAS VERY LONG. THERE WAS A LOT OF TESTIMONY, BUT IT WAS, UH, PRO AND CON. YEAH. BOTH KIND OF 50 50. WELL, I MEAN, THEY'RE TAKING DOWN A, UH, A BUILDING BY A WELL-KNOWN ARCHITECT. RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT WAS THE, WE HAD TO ARGUE THAT. AND THEN THE NEW BUILDING AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE. UM, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. EXCUSE ME. BLESS YOU. BLESS YOU. IT FELT, UM, DID YOU DO A LOT OF THE PRESENTING? I DID. THE BEGINNING. YEAH. THE KIND OF LIKE, WHY WE'RE, WHY WE'RE DOING IT. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AT THE END THEY READ ALL THE NAMES OF THE ARCHITECTS WHO HAVE BUILT WINGS AT THE MET. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL MEN. I MEAN, WHEN THEY ASKED ME, I WAS SITTING THERE THINKING THE NEXT GENERATION WHO MAKES THE CHANGE, WHEN THEY READ ALL THE NAMES, THEY'RE GONNA READ HER BECAUSE SHE'S THE FIRST, SHE'S THE FIRST WOMAN THAT'S LEFT. IT FELT REALLY COOL TO LISTEN TO, TO THEM, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, JUST READING THE NAMES FOR 145. I TOLD HER TOMORROW OF ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE MARYANNE COULD WALK HER THROUGH THE, IT FELT REALLY HISTORIC, ALL THE PIECES. I WAS HAPPY FOR HER. SHE DID A GREAT, GREAT MAP. SHE PRESENTED, YOU PRESENTED AND AMY PRESENTED. AND THAT'S A LOT OF WOMEN. NO, WELL, NO. AMY, AMY'S THE, AMY'S THE WOMAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. I SEE. WRITING ALL THE TALKING POINTS. SHE'S OUR LAWYER, . SO IT WAS, IT WAS ME AND THEN THE DIRECTOR, AND THEN FRIDA. THAT'S NICE. YEAH. I'M EXCITED FOR THAT ADDITION. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY GOOD. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE NICE. BUT IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE I RAN INTO AMY I GUESS THE WEEK BEFORE AND I SAID, OH, HOW YOU DOING? WHATEVER. SHE SAYS, WELL, I'M RUNNING THE BOSTON MARATHON ON MONDAY AND ON TUESDAY I HAVE THIS HUGE PRESENTATION. AND SHE WAS, SHE'D BE A LITTLE TIRED WHEN NOTHING YEAH, IT WAS, SHE WAS THE ORCHESTRATING THE WHOLE, 'CAUSE OUR GENERAL COUNSEL LEADS IT. SO SHE WAS ORCHESTRATING THE WHOLE, WELL SHE, SHE'S A PRETTY PRO MARATHON RUNNER, SO I DON'T THINK SHE DOESN'T MOVE. DOESN'T, DOESN'T PHASE HER NO. TO RUN FOR THE DAY BEFORE. SHE'S A, SHE'S A REALLY AMAZING PERSON. I LOVE WORKING WITH HER. SHE'S REALLY FUN. WE HAD THIS LIKE, BINDER OF ALL THE Q AND A. SO LIKE, NO MATTER WHAT QUESTION WE WOULD GET ASKED, WE HAD OUR, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE WRITTEN ALREADY. IT'S WHAT, IMPRESS WHAT IS IT GOING TO HOUSE? MODERN. [00:05:01] IT'LL BE OUR NEW WING FOR MODERN CONTEMPORARY ART. OH, NICE. UM, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROGRESS ON THE CAFE ON THE FIFTH AVENUE WITH, UH, PETERSON RIDGE? MM-HMM . UM, WE ARE, WE'RE ABOUT TO FINISH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. SO THAT'S GONNA START CONSTRUCTION THIS. OH WOW. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING LIKE SLOW. WE HAVE EGYPTIAN ABOVE REALLY. UM, ONE, THEY, IT'S ON THE THREE. THERE'S ONE THERE NOW WHERE PEOPLE GO IN TO GO TO LIKE, UM, THEY WERE THE DETROIT PLACE, GRACE ROGERS OR WHATEVER THE MAIN, SO THERE'S THE MAIN DOOR AND THEN TO THE NORTH. TO THE NORTH. OKAY. THERE'S A DOOR THERE AND THERE USED TO BE THREE DOORS THERE. THE FIRST TWO. THEN IT'S, SO WE'RE REAL. AND THEN YOU WALK IN AND YOU'RE GONNA BE IN LIKE ROUTE. CAN WE TEMPORARILY ADJOURN AND THEN THEY'RE DESIGNING RETAIL AND THEN THEY'LL STARE UP AND THEN THE RESTAURANT IS KIND OF LIKE BEYOND THAT. OKAY. WAS THAT ALSO LPC? OH, HERE HE IS. HERE HE IS NOW HE'S THERE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. SORRY. OKAY. THAT WASN'T EASIER. THIS WAS LIKE, TAKE YOUR TIME. IT'S OKAY TO DO PDC FOR THE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I SWEAR. YOU HAVE A DEAN. YOU KNOW THIS. I'M THE PC, THE, UH, I DON'T EVEN NEED THE MAP. YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU HAVE TO PRESENT FRONT OF YOU. NO, YOU HAVE TO PRESENT. IT'S UP TO YOU. WHAT'S THAT? YOU NEED TO PRESENT. OKAY. IT'S UP TO YOU. WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WORK GOING FOR YOU? I CLICK IN SOMEWHERE. YEAH, SURE. I HAVE CABLES. YEAH. SO FAR THOUGH, IT'S REALLY ONLY ONE DOCUMENT THAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU. SAME AT THE MUSEUM. MM-HMM . CHARLES. NO PROBLEM. [Case No. 9-25] JUST WHEN YOU'RE READY, BEFORE YOU START, JUST GONNA TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT. THEN IF ANYBODY WROTE ANY LETTERS OR EMAILS OR, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE FOR COURT OR CON OR FOR MM-HMM . SO, UM, THEN WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU QUESTIONS OKAY. IF WE HAVE ANY. YEAH. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET A CHANCE TO PRESENT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF ANYTHING COMES UP THAT YOU WANNA EXPLAIN. AND THEN, UM, I'M A LITTLE HARD OF HEARING. IT'S A AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE MO THEN WE WILL HAVE THE MOTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. I'M NOT, UH, THAT'S IT. AND EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS WHEN THEY COME. OKAY. YOU SPEAK APPEARS NOT START STARTING. I DUNNO WHY IT TAKES, IT TAKES A SECOND, SIR. IT DOES. YEAH. I MEAN, NO, HIS COMPUTER CANNOT NOT START. OH, YOUR COMPUTER STARTING. FOR WHATEVER REASON, AMY NEEDS TO BE PLUGGED IN. IT'S A BRAND NEW COMPUTER. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY. I DROVE ALL THE WAY FROM BROOKLYN. SO THAT'S A MISTAKE. THIS IS AN ISSUE. THANK YOU SIR. MM-HMM . THE PLAY. WE DOING IT PLAY RELATED. DOING. IS IT, UH, SHE WAS IN THE LAST SAM'S DOING, HE'S THE SPOTLIGHT OPERATOR. I DON'T THINK HE ACTUALLY RATHER WEIRD. I'M ALWAYS LIKE, WHO'S IN THE PLAY? YOU KNOW, HE'S LIKE, I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW WHO'S IN IT. I JUST HAVE TO KNOW THE SPOTLIGHT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO ANY ME. HE'S LIKE JUST ANYONE. THAT'S WHY I LEFT THE MACHINE ON. IT'S SUCH A FUNNY VIBE. THE CREW. LIKE, I LOVE IT. AND, AND HE ALSO LOVES, OKAY, THIS LIKE, SO CAN YOU PULL THIS UP INTO THE ROOM? SORRY, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. SURE. I DON'T KNOW WHY I WON'T START. YOU COULDN'T DONE THIS. CAN'T SEE. YOU COULD ALSO BE ABLE TO USE IT. OR YOU COULD, WE COULD DON INTO YOUR COMPUTER. I DID. THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT IF YOU WANT CUT OUT. ALTHOUGH THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT, [00:10:01] UH, HE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO VIEW IT FROM HERE. OKAY. I DO FEEL FOR WHOEVER'S WALKING, SHE DIED. WE DON'T COME. OUR RATINGS ARE GONNA BE TERRIBLE THIS MONTH. THIS IS ALL MY FAULT. LET'S SEE. BIG. YEP. FIRST IT FEEL FREE TO CRUCIFY ME. GOOD. LET'S LET THAT WORK. IT'S KIND IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO, YOU CAN'T LIKE WALK AROUND THE HOUSE. YEAH. THANK YOU CHARLES. MM-HMM . HE'S HIS TENANT AT THE TENNIS OF BUILDING INSPECTOR CAN TWICE WEEK. I THINK HE WANTS BUILDING MAINTENANCE. BUILDING MAINTENANCE BECAUSE NEXT YEAR THEY ACTUALLY GET TO DO MODIFIED. I UNDERSTAND. AND MSS FOUR OFFICER. IT'S NOT LIKE A BALL SPORT. I WEAR LOTS OF HATS. HE'S REALLY, YEAH. IT'S A BALL. NOT LIKE THE BOARD PLANNING REVIEW BOARDS DOING, DOING THE INTERPRETATION THAT FOR A CEMETERY, EVERY HEADSTONE WAS A STRUCTURE. WHAT TOWN WAS THAT ONE? THE MASTER MASTER SCHOOL AT? IT MIGHT BE. I LIKE SURFING. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY, SIR? THE ONLY THING I I REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THIS. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS, THAT'S FINE. BUT FIRST I WOULD NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I, I'M SCOTT JARDINE AND I AM THE DESIGNER. OKAY. AND USUALLY MITCH WOULD BE HERE. MITCH? UH, YEAH. KOCH K WOULD BE HERE, BUT I'M HERE IN HIS STEAD. OKAY. SO, UM, BUT WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? MY ADDRESS IS 2 2 1 EAST 16TH STREET, BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. OKAY. TELL US AND HOLD ON. UH, THIS IS REGARDING NINE MARBLE TERRACE HERE IN HASTINGS AND HUDSON. SO, UM, BY THE WAY, I, I TUNED IN FOR THE LAST HEARING ARE IF YOU GUYS ARE VIDEOING THIS. YES. I, THERE WAS ON WHOH, THERE WAS NO SOUND. OH, WOW. YEAH, I TRIED TO TUNE IN THE LAST TIME. SO, UM, SO REALLY WE'RE ASKING FOR JUST TWO SMALL THINGS, RIGHT? UM, WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PURPLE OR THE PINK? UM, SORRY, I'M, I USUALLY HAVE A MOUSE. EARNEST, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THINGS WITHOUT MOUSES? SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE SCROLL BAR IN THE ARROW. HERE WE GO. OKAY. UM, SO THIS FAMILY, THE OTROS HAVE BEEN LIVING IN PRETTY CRAMPED CONDITIONS. THIS I, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE. YES. I HAVE TO, YOU'RE REMINDING ME SINCE WE WERE WAITING. THIS IS CASE NUMBER NINE DASH 25 EARNEST AND SARAH OSTRO NINE MARBLE TERRACE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO WE'RE PROPOSING A RENOVATION OF THE FIRST IN THE BASEMENT FLOORS, UM, IN ORDER TO GET A LIVING AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND GET THE BEDROOMS DOWNSTAIRS BECAUSE THE, THEIR SON, WHO IS NOW IN HIS, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO HIS TEENAGE YEARS, HAS BEEN LIVING IN A VERY CRAMPED CONDITION. AND THEY ALSO HAVE LIKE A, LIKE A BROOKLYN STYLE KITCHEN. SO IT'S SO SMALL. UM, SO IN ORDER TO LIKE, TO ACCOMMODATE LIKE A, HAVING A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A FAIRLY GOOD HOUSE, UM, IS TO GET THAT LIVING AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THEY HAVE TENANTS UPSTAIRS ON THE TOP FLOOR. UM, AND IN ORDER TO, SO THE PURPLE AREAS ACCOMMODATE BASICALLY THE ABILITY TO GO FOR THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH IS THE NORTH SIDE. AND WHY IS IT DOING THAT? UM, ON THE NORTH HAND SIDE IS TO GIVE THE, [00:15:01] THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES, ONE FOR THE TENANTS TO PROVIDE, BASICALLY IT'S KIND OF LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A SAFETY THING FURTHER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE KID AND THE FAMILY. UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE ENTRANCE OFF TO THE SIDE. IT'S SORT OF LIKE A CHAR, YOU KNOW, LIKE A CHARLESTON SINGLE HOUSE. LIKE WITH A, WHAT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS. UM, SO WITH THE ENTRANCE OFF TO THE SIDE, AND THEN THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE APARTMENT ON THE, ON THE TOP RIGHT. WHERE THERE'S A STOOP AND THAT, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY A, UH, LIKE A BALCONY. AND SO WE'RE JUST BASIC, BASICALLY TAKING THE, IN THE BALCONY AND CLOSING IT, WHICH IS THIS PART HERE. SO, SO YOU HAVE TO TALK INTO THIS MICROPHONE IF YOU'RE AWAY FROM THERE PODIUM, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THIS IS THE PREVIOUS AREA WHERE THERE WAS A BALCONY. THERE'S A TWO STORY BALCONY, AND THERE WAS A STOOP COMING DOWN OFF THE, FROM THE BALCONY THAT'S THEY ARE SHARING AN ENTRANCE CURRENTLY TOGETHER THE TWO APARTMENTS, WHICH ISN'T SUCH A COMFORTABLE SITUATION AND A RESIDENTIAL SITUATION. SO I PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES. THIS IS, GOES UP TO THE TOP APARTMENT AND THIS GOES INTO THE PRI INTO THEIR APARTMENT, WHICH WILL SERVE THIS, THIS FLOOR HERE IS THE PRIMARY LIVING AREA. AND DOWNSTAIRS WILL BE A BED, TWO BEDROOMS AND AN OFFICE OFFICED IN. AND SO THIS, THIS IS THE ENCROACHMENT, THESE TWO THINGS. UM, THIS IS, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SIX FEET PAST THE, YOU KNOW, PAST THE SETBACK. SO THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT. I, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU SHOWED THEM THE EXISTING PICTURES AND HOW THE PORCH IS NOW YEAH. ASKING. AND THE, AND YOU CAN ALSO SHOW THEM WITH THAT. YOU COULD SHOW THEM THE VIEW PRESERVATION IMPACT. OH, OKAY. BUT IT DOESN'T, LET'S SEE. I DON'T THINK ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT. NO, NO. HOLD ON. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR, THERE WERE SOME INCLUDED IN YOUR SUBMISSION. MM-HMM . WHAT'S THAT? THERE WERE SOME INCLUDED IN YOUR SUBMISSION. YEAH, I KNOW. AND I'M LOOKING FOR THOSE DIGITAL. I DIDN'T REALIZE I'D HAVE TO BRING THOSE UP. YOU CAN PULL 'EM FROM THE VILLAGE'S WEBSITE IF YOU'D LIKE. IT'S ALL POSTED ONLINE. UH, AM I LOGGED? YOU FIND I COULD IF I WAS ON THE WIFI. UM, YEAH, THERE'S NO PASSWORD FOR THE WIFI. IT'S JUST, THERE'S NONE. NO, IT'S JUST WHEN YOU GO INTO YOUR WIFI, IT'S THE, UH, HOH SLASH WIFI HYPHEN WIFI. LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN HERE. SO YOU ARE AWARE THAT HOW THIS FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM . IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR YEAH. CONSIDERATION. SO WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE CONCERNS IS SPECIFICALLY? WELL, UM, I MEAN SOME OF THIS ADDITION HERE WE GO. IT'S OUR JOB. IT'S YOUR JOB TO MAKE A CASE THAT IT DOES. WE'RE JUST SITTING HERE. MM-HMM . WE CAN'T MAKE IT UP OURSELVES. WELL, WE ARE RESPECTING THE HOUSE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE SUPER ULTRA MODERN. I MEAN, DO YOU WANNA SEE ANY RENDERINGS? THAT'S, I CAN SHOW YOU THOSE, BUT I'VE, SOME PICTURES CAME UP NOW THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, THESE ARE SOME VIEW PRESERVATION AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. OKAY. UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT EXISTING, THAT'S THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HOUSE. AND LET'S SEE HERE. I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET, HERE WE GO. UM, AND SO WE'RE BASICALLY [00:20:01] JUST ENCLOSING THAT WE HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, SAME FOOTPRINT, SAME ROOF LINE. UM, AND THE MATERIALS ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY USING CLABBERED OR SHINGLES. UM, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT FREE FORM, BUT, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. SORRY, I USUALLY WORK WITH THE MOUSE GUYS. ALRIGHT. MAYBE WE'LL MOVE ALONG HERE. YEAH. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE A, A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. GO AHEAD. I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING BECAUSE WHAT IS THE AREA TO THE SOUTH? IS THAT THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, COVERED ENTRY AND THE VIEW PRESERVATION ISSUE? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT'S THE MM-HMM . BECAUSE THE VIEW, THE PROFILE OF THE BUILDING'S NOT CHANGING. NO, EXCEPT FOR THERE, IT'S, IT'S THAT SAW, IT'S THAT LEFT, THAT SOUTH SIDE COVERED COVERED PORCH. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT IS VIEW, THAT'S WHAT'S IMPACTING THE VIEW. GOT IT. THAT'S ACTUALLY A VIEW FOR THE NEIGHBORS YARD WHEN YOU'RE UP ON THE, ON THE TRAIL. YEAH. YOU GET A, YOU GET A VIEW STRAIGHT DOWN. IN FACT, I DID A, A, A DIAGRAM, LIKE A REAL SECTION. I CAN FIGURE IF I CAN FIND IT. I'M SORRY TO KEEP YOU WAITING HERE. ARE YOU BETTER AT, ARE YOU BETTER OPERATING WITH A NO, NOT, BUT IF I COULD SAY ONE THING. YEAH, YEAH. JUST TELL US YOUR NAME. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND WHILE HE GETS THIS. WE DID GO TO THE VIEW PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, ERNEST ARO NINE MARBLE TERRACE IN HASTINGS. WE DID GO TO THE VIEW PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. WE BROUGHT THIS UP. WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE, THAT THIS VIEW IS STANDING IN THAT ARE THE ONLY ONES REALLY IMPACTED THIS. SO MITCH PRESENTED TO THAT COMMITTEE IN THAT PAST. THAT WAS THE PLANNING. THAT WAS THE PLANNING BOARD. PLANNING BOARD. SORRY. YEAH. THERE'S A, SO THAT, THAT WE DID BEFORE. BEFORE JUST THE LAST SAY ON VIEW PRESERVATION. JUST, UH, SO YOU, IF YOU LOOK HERE AT THE, ON THE AQUEDUCT TRAIL, SO NOW I'M EVEN MORE CONFUSED. YES. IS THE DOOR DOORS YOU WANT TO BE PUT IN? ARE THEY ON THE NORTH SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE? THE SOUTH SIDE. THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE BALCONY EXTENSION? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT, WELL, YOU'RE BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE GIVING ONE WAY TO GET INTO THE HOUSE FOR EVERYBODY. NO, WE'RE GIVING TWO WAYS TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. CURRENTLY. THERE'S ONE SHARED, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS ONE. YEAH. NOW YOU'RE MAKING TWO. MM-HMM . AND HOW MUCH, HOW LONG, HOW MANY FEET DOES THAT, DOES THAT COME OUT FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AT ALL? IF IT DOES AT ALL. IT DOESN'T, IT WE'RE THE ACTUAL ENVELOPE, THE ONLY THING THAT COMES OUT IS THE STOOP. AND THAT ONLY, THAT'S LIKE NINE INCHES PAST THE EXISTING STOOP. AND THE STOOP IS BETWEEN THE TWO DOORS. I, UM, YOU HAVE TO PARDON ME. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S OKAY. THE STOOP IS, I WISH I WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FACILE WITH THIS, UH, COMPUTER SITUATION. WHAT IS A STOOP? UM, WHAT WAS THE FIRST, LET ME JUST SWITCH DOCUMENTS HERE IN CITY TERMS AS STOOP IS STAIRS. HERE YOU GO. CAN I, NO, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THE STOOP. IS THAT, BUT IS THE STOOP GOING UP TO EACH, EACH? NO. WELL, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE PATH FROM THE STREET IS HERE TO THE APARTMENT ONE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING APARTMENT ONE. AND THE TENANT HAS A LITTLE WALK. THEY GO UP, WE'RE CALLING IT A STOOP. IT'S A COVERED STOOP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO CALL IT. UM, THAT, THAT STAIRWAY GOES FROM HERE UP TO THIS FLOOR. AND THIS IS AN ENCROACHMENT BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU WANT, IF I CAN PULL UP A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING STOOP, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT RIGHT HERE UNDER ONE OF THE ARCHES. REMEMBER THOSE ARCHES THAT WERE THERE, BUT, BUT THE VIEW PRESERVATION PART AND IT IS THE SIZE. YEAH. THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE, THE THING ABOUT THE VIEW PRESERVATION WAS ABOUT YEAH, EXACTLY. THE THE BALCONY COME OUT SOMEHOW. YEAH. SOME WAY. YEAH. WELL THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING HERE. SO IF YOU TOOK AWAY THESE JIG JAGS, THESE COVERED BALCONIES, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S THE ADDITION, SO TO SPEAK. WHICH IS, WHICH IS IN, WITH THE RIGHTS OF COVERAGE. [00:25:01] I MEAN THE BUILDING COVERAGE AND THE DEVELOPMENT COVERAGE. SO THAT NEW EXTENSION IS CONFORMING IN YOUR OH, YEAH. IT'S COMPLETELY CONFORMING. I LOOKING FOR THAT. UM, THERE IS A, THERE IS A DI YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CHART. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE FULL ANALYSIS, I INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM THE SURVEY. UM, EVERY LITTLE ROCK, ROCK WALL, EVERYTHING. SO CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE GREEN AREA? IS THAT THIS YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE A DECK HERE. DECK, YEAH. UM, AND THERE'S A TREE, AN EXISTING SITE TREE HERE THAT WE HAVE A CUTOUT, AND THAT'S TO, YOU KNOW, CATCH THE VIEW. MM-HMM . GOING TO THE HUDSON. BECAUSE IS THAT A STRUCTURED DECK OR IS IT A RETAIN? IT'S A GROUND. IT'S GROUND LEVEL. YEAH. GROUND LEVEL. YEAH. OKAY. WOOD. WHEN YOU SAY GROUND LEVEL, YOU MEAN? I MEAN, IT IS A WOOD DECK. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WHICH FAIR? WHICH IS THAT ON THIS LIST? THAT IS THE, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S CON THAT'S THE DECK IS CONFORMING BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN SIX FEET. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT HAS, THAT HAS THIS, THE SIX FOOT, UM, UM, THE, UH, 2 95 20, IT'S ABLE TO PROTRUDE INTO THE SETBACK. SO IT'S THE CUT, IT'S THE, IT'S THE COVERED DECK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON THE SIDE YARD. AND IT'S THE COVERED ENTRANCE IN THE FRONT IS THE CO IN THE FRONT. IT'S THE COVERED ENTRANCE, WHICH IS PROTRUDING FURTHER INTO THE FRONT YARD. IT USED TO BE 5.6. NOW IT'S, UH, 1.92 IN THE FRONT YARD. THE COVERED DECK PROTRUDES INTO THE, IT'S AN EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, WHICH THEY'RE JUST BUILDING UP ON AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY. SO THAT'S STAYING THE SAME AT, UH, 5.6 FEET. OKAY. AND THE SIDE YARD IS THE CO IS THE, THE COVERED ENTRY, WHICH HE'S, IS THAT LITTLE PURPLE TO THE LEFT. MM-HMM . THAT, THAT HAS, UM, THAT IS ALSO THE SAME. THEY'RE BUILDING ON AN, THEY'RE BUILDING ON AN EXISTING AT 2.89 FEET AND IT'S REQUIRED TO BE FIVE. GOT IT. I THINK, I, I, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IS THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE THINGS WE'RE REVIEWING, I GUESS FOUR, ONE OF WHICH, 'CAUSE THE, THE FOURTH IS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY. WELL, FIVE WITH FIVE WITH VIEW PRESERVATION. VIEW PRESERVATION. IF WE CAN JUST GO 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND YOU CAN POINT TO WHAT WE'RE APPROVING MM-HMM . AND WHERE IT'S ON THE DRAWING. UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS ONLY TWO, TWO ITEMS, BUT, WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND IT HAS FOUR THINGS HERE, PLUS VIEW PRESERVATION. SO THAT'S FIVE. OKAY. YEAH. I THOUGHT THE VIEW PRESERVATION WAS PUT TO BED, BUT, OKAY. YEAH, IT'D JUST BE HELPFUL IF YOU JUST GO OVER AND SAY, THIS IS NUMBER ONE. THIS IS NUMBER TWO. MM-HMM . BECAUSE THAT GREEN IS THROWING ME OFF. THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING MORE PROVEN. RIGHT. THAT'S, UM, WELL, IT'S JUST SHOWING BECAUSE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S A CONFORMING CONDITION. UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL DECK. SO, SO WHY DON'T YOU START AND TELL US 1, 2, 3. THE LIST IS RIGHT THERE. IF YOU WANNA READ, YOU WANNA READ OFF THE LIST? YEAH, I DO. IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THANKS GUYS. SORRY, I'VE NEVER, LIKE I SAID, I'VE NEVER HAD TO PRESENT LIKE THIS BEFORE TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. UM, SO WE'VE GOT, THIS IS THE 5.6 FEET. OKAY. RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE ON THE, WELL, BECAUSE THE, WELL, IT'S THE, THE, THE LINE OF THE, IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE IS THE, IS THE ACTUAL SETBACK. RIGHT. WHICH COMES LIKE THIS. SO WE'RE 5.6 FEET OUT TO THE EDGE OF THAT. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S CORRECT. THE EXISTING IS 5.6 FEET IN FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WAS, NOW IT'S 1.92 FEET. SO THE 1.92 FEET IS BETWEEN YOUR PURPLE PROPERTY LINE, THE PURPLE STOOP AND YOUR PROPERTY. OKAY. RIGHT. SO THE 5.62 IS AN EXISTING NON-COMPLIANCE. THE PURPLE THAT'S SHOWN HERE IS INCREASING THE DEGREE OF NON-COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT. UM, AND THEN THIS PART HERE IS THE, WHERE THE ENTRY IS. UM, YOU, YOU DO HAVE A SITE PLAN ON THIS SAME PAGE. IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO SCROLL OUT, THAT DOES SHOW, THAT DOES SHOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO BEFORE IT, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT, THAT SECOND PURPLE AREA YOU WERE POINTING TO BY MY UNDERSTANDING IS NUMBER TWO. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. JUST ONE SEC. YES. [00:30:01] RIGHT. JERRY IS ANYBODY, IS ANY, WOULD YOU'D LIKE ME TO EXPLAIN THIS? SHUT? IT'S NOT OUR JOB. I, I KNOW IT'S NOT, BUT IF FOR THE SAKE OF THE BOARD UNDERSTANDING, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO. UM, IS IT OKAY WITH YOU? UH, IF OUR, WE REALLY YEAH, IT'S, IT'S FINE. NICE BUILDINGS. IT'S UP TO THE ATTORNEY. IF SIR, I'M, I'M JUST DEALING WITH LIKE, TRYING TO DO THIS AND EXPLAIN AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT REALLY SHOULD BE MAKING IT OFF RECORD. NO PROBLEM. THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LISTEN TO COUNSEL. OKAY. I MEAN, HE'S SUPPOSED TO I KNOW HIS LIFE. OKAY. UM, NO, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. THAT'S YOUR JOB. ALRIGHT. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN. I AGREE. CHARLES, WHAT WERE YOU ASKING? I'M SORRY. I, I WAS GONNA HELP YOU. I WAS GONNA HELP SHOW THE BOARD, UM, WHAT, WHERE THE VARIANCES ARE BECAUSE YOUR SEEM A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. WELL, IT'S ALL BECAUSE I WAS JUST TRYING TO DEAL WITH AND, AND, UM, 3D WITHOUT, BUT COUNCIL HAS ADVISED THAT I SHOULDN'T DO THAT, SO. OKAY. IS THIS A BETTER VIEW FOR YOU? THIS IMAGE? YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS BETTER FOR YOU GUYS. CAN YOU SEE THIS? YES. ALRIGHT. SO THIS PART HERE IS THE 1.92 FEET MM-HMM . THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM . RIGHT. UM, AND THIS IS THE 5.58 FEET. MM-HMM . THAT'S PART ON, ON NEVER, UH, IT'S JUST FIVE. SEE LOOKS 5.6. SO WE'VE ROUNDED UP. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK TO THE COVER ENTRY. UM, THAT'S ALL THE WAY UP TOP. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S, I'M HAVING TROUBLE READING. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. AND THAT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION. OH, GOT IT. OKAY. NOW I, THIS WHOLE THING. SO THAT'S WHAT I, UM, AND THEN THE EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, UM, THAT IS, WHAT IS THAT A LITTLE BIT? I'M SORRY? IT'S THE COVERED DECK TO THE SOUTH. YEAH, IT'S THE SIDE DIRT SETBACK ON THE NOISE. THAT PART HERE. YEAH. SORRY. SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S EXISTING. THERE'S NO DIMENSION ATTACHED TO IT EXCEPT FOR THIS. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS FOLDED INTO THE SAME THING. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS FOUR SEPARATE POINTS. I THOUGHT THERE WERE JUST TWO GUYS. SO THAT'S WHAT CONFUSED ME. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UM, SO REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S JUST WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AGGRAVATING AND A NON, YOU KNOW, A SMALL CONDITION THAT'S IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE. IT'S, IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND THE ENTIRE, UM, COVERAGE OF THE, OF THE SITE. SO ASK A QUESTION. AND IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY, THIS PART DOESN'T IMPEDE WITH A VIEW AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS, THAT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE BEGINNING OF THE VIEW PRESERVATION AND THIS WHOLE THING WAS THE, WAS THE SUBJECT OF THE VIEW PRESERVATIONS BEFORE. DO WE HAVE A QUESTION HERE? YEAH, YOU HAVE ONE AS WELL. UM, YES, BUT YOU GO FIRST. SO I, I MEAN I, UM, I, FOR BETTER, WORSE, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PRESENTATION ON THE FOUR, UH, THE FOUR NON VIEW RELATED, UM, VARIANCE REQUESTS, THE, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THEY'RE CONSID CONTINUING EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS. MM-HMM . WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NEW STOOP. UH, AND SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THAT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY A COMPROMISE CONDITION AT 5.6 FEET AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING REDUCES THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO JUST UNDER TWO FEET. AND, AND IT, THAT IS NOT A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING. THAT IS ACTUALLY A NEW ELEMENT. SO MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU EXPLORE OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER WAYS TO ACHIEVE, UM, GETTING THE SECOND YEAH. ENTRY THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT THAT DON'T, UH, REQUIRE ENCROACHING FURTHER INTO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK? NO, THERE'S, I MEAN I, I'VE DONE EXTENSIVE STUDY ON THIS, LIKE TRYING TO COME IN FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE NORTH, TRYING TO HAVE A SHARED ENTRANCE HERE AGAIN. UM, AND NONE OF IT WORKS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHERE YOU WANNA LAND. IF YOU WANNA SEE, I CAN SHOW YOU FLOOR PLANS AS WELL FOR THE, FOR THE, THE APARTMENT UPSTAIRS, THEY RAN [00:35:01] THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. AND THERE'S ALSO, I, WHAT'S NOT REFLECTED HERE IS THE EXISTING STAIRS THAT COME DOWN FROM THE BALCONY, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING CONDITION. SO I DON'T, THERE'S NOT A DIMENSION FOR IT. I MEAN, I GUESS THERE SHOULD BE, BUT, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ABOUT HERE. AND THIS DOES COME OUT A LITTLE BIT PAST IT FOR SURE. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT DIMENSION, I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU. NO, NO, I RECALL THAT. SO CHARLES, THOSE WERE, UM, UNCOVERED STAIRS, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT MM-HMM . IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE SEEN IN THE FRONT YARDS. THAT THAT'S CORRECT. SO PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THAT THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU'VE CHOSEN TO ENCLOSE AND COVER THAT MM-HMM . SO THEY'RE NOT YEAH, THEY'RE NOT LIKE A A, UH, YEAH. TO, THEY'RE NOT EQUIVALENT TO THE STAIRS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE. THAT'S RIGHT. WHICH WE'RE UNCOVERED. I MEAN, WE WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A, A BIG ISSUE NOT TO HAVE A CANOPY THAT'S, BUT THEN THAT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN ARTS. YEAH. IF YOU RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT WANT A CANOPY THERE AND JUST A STOOP, JUST STAIRS, THAT'S ALSO, CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION MAYBE TO YOU AND, AND CHARLES, YOU, YOU MAY KNOW. SO THE, UM, THE 1.92 FEET IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM . WHAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE CURB? UH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S 1.92 FEET. NO, IT'S NOT. SO HERE NO, NO. FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE OH, TO THE CURB ITSELF FROM YOUR 3D IT LOOKED LIKE THIS WAS A LOCATION WHERE THERE'S QUITE A LARGE, THERE'S ALMOST NO SIDEWALK. I MEAN THAT'S, THERE, THERE, THERE'S ALMOST NO, LIKE, NO RECOGNIZABLE CURB. THESE ARE ALL HEDGES IN HERE CURRENTLY. AND THE, THE, THE CURB IS VERY OBSCURED. I, I, I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF IT IF YOU WANT. QUESTION. YEAH. FROM THE, FROM THE LINE, THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE NEIGHBOR, HOW MANY FEET IS THAT FROM THE, FROM THE LINE BOUNDARY LINE OF THIS HOUSE TO THE NEXT HOUSE? UH, ACROSS THE STREET? NO, THE NORTH, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY. THE NORTHERN. SO YOU'RE COMING WAY TO LIKE TWO FEET, 2.9 FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS. BUT THE NEIGHBOR COULD HAVE QUITE AN EXPENSIVE, THEY MIGHT BE 20 FEET, 10 FEET, 15 FEET TO THEY, IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING TO THE NORTH. YEAH. AND HOW, HOW MUCH SIDE DO THEY HAVE? HOW MUCH SIDE YARD DO THEY HAVE? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE. IT'S PROBABLY 15 FEET OR MORE. OKAY. UM, I MEAN I, I IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S EASY TO ESTIMATE IT FROM. SO YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, CHARLES, WHAT'S ON THE, UH, AGENDA NEXT, NEXT MONTH? I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH? NEXT MONTH? UM, WE'RE NOT SURE YET. DOES IT LOOK LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF CASES? UM, NOT THAT I'M, NOT, THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO FROM THE'S, THE REAL ISSUE FROM THE CURB, FROM THE CURB TO THE PROPERTY LINE MM-HMM . IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE OR SIX FEET. THIS IS THE HOUSE CURRENTLY. THIS IS THE STREET. I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS HELPFUL. OH, USEFUL. BUT TO THE, I DUNNO EXACTLY. THAT IS, BUT IT'S BIG. BUT THERE TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS AN EMPTY AREA THAT RUNS ALL ALONG THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE. AND IT IS OWNED BY, I CAN'T FORGET THE EXACT ADDRESS, THE APARTMENT BUILDING ON WAR BURTON. SO IT IS ESSENTIALLY JUST PASS THROUGH. THEY HAD TO HAVE THAT AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US BEYOND, THAT'S ABOUT 15, 20 FEET WIDE. BEYOND THAT TO THE NORTH IS THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT IS SET BACK FROM THE STREET ABOUT 15 FEET. BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING SOUTH OF US. SO THERE'S NO WALKTHROUGH PAST THAT. IT'S A DEAD END, IT'S A DEAD END STREET. SOUTH OF US IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING THERE IS BETWEEN US AND THE AQUEDUCT CUT FROM THE AQUEDUCT TRAIL DOWN TO THE DPW, THERE IS AN EMPTY LOT WHICH WE ALSO, UM, NOW OWN. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO JOIN IT WITH, WITH THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM . THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. I MEAN, I TOOK A RIDE DOWN TO YOUR STREET AND UM, I HAD BEEN THERE ONCE BEFORE, BUT I, I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS LIKE. SO EVERYBODY'S PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER, YOU KNOW. BUT THE APARTMENT BUILDING IS A ONE STORY. IT'S MORE LIKE A, IT'S APARTMENT, IT'S APARTMENT BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT BUILDING. IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF YEAH. LITTLE PLACES LIKE A MOTEL, LIKE ALMOST LIKE A MOTEL. MM-HMM . [00:40:01] IT GOES LIKE THAT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. AND ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE THE LAST HOUSE ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE? YES. SO IN MY, UM, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME PROBLEM OF BIGGER HOUSES ON SMALLER LOTS. WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S TRUE? UM, NOT THE APARTMENT BUILDING MAY BE A DIFFERENCE, BUT YOU ACROSS THE STREET MM-HMM . YEP. YEAH. ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S BEEN WORK, UM, ALL THREE HOUSES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET. MM-HMM . HAVE EXTENSIONS OVER THE YEARS, ADDITIONS ADDITIONAL THINGS. THERE'S BEEN ALMOST, WE HAVE A PICTURE OF OUR HOUSE FROM THE 1930S. IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT, UM, AS IT IS TODAY. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE FRONT, THAT FRONT PORCH ON THE EAST SIDE IS, LOOKS LIKE A SORT OF COLONIAL PORCH. SOMEBODY PUT THESE ARCHES IN, WE THINK SOMETIME IN THE SEVENTIES. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FOOT SUBSTANCES THEY WERE INFLUENCED BY . UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY PUT ON THERE. YEAH. WE ARE ESSENTIALLY LOOKING TO ENCLOSE THAT IT'S SORT OF FAIRLY USELESS SPACE AT THE MOMENT. AND THEN ADD A DECK SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF LIVE ALSO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE SOUTHWEST. THERE'S VERY FEW WINDOWS TO THE SOUTHWEST AND THAT'S WHERE THE VIEW IS. YEAH. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR CASE, THE, THE BASEMENT CEILINGS ARE AT LEAST SEVEN FEET HIGH. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO DO LESS. YEAH. AND WE HAVE, THEY'RE 17 HIGH PARDON? FEET? YEAH, THERE'S SIX. THERE'S SIX BETWEEN SIX FOOT EIGHT AND SOMEWHERE AROUND SEVEN. YES SIR. AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR SON WAS LIVING. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO EXTEND THAT. SO HE CAN COME DOWNSTAIRS. WE CAN, HE, HE CURRENTLY HAS LIKE NO SOUND PRIVACY FROM OUR PRIMARY, SIR, YOU HAVE TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. I'M SO SORRY. YEAH. UM, WE HAVE NO SOUND PRIVACY FROM OUR MAIN SORT OF LIVING DINING ROOM AREA STRAIGHT INTO HIS ROOM. THERE'S JUST ONE DOOR THERE. HE'S 14 NOW. UM, AND HE HAS, HE'S ALSO LIVING RIGHT ON THE STREET, WHICH MAKES US A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, WHAT THIS PLAN ACHIEVES IS HE CAN HAVE A LIVING SPACE DOWNSTAIRS TO HIMSELF. WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL KITCHEN. 'CAUSE OUR KITCHEN IS SORT OF FROM SARAH TO ME RIGHT NOW. IT'S PRETTY SMALL. MY BROOKLYN KITCHEN , UM, LIKE OUR, OUR REFRIGERATOR IS IN OUR DINING ROOM TODAY. UM, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF SORT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH THIS PLAN OVERALL, THE ONLY REAL ADDITION IS AN OFFICE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND WHICH IS IN THE SORT OF SOUTHWEST PART OF IT, AND THEN THE DECKS ABOVE. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. ANOTHER QUESTION IS THE, THE STAIRS THAT ARE NOW GONNA BE ENCLOSED. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE BULK AND YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH THAT ANYMORE. DID YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET AND ASK YOUR NEIGHBORS WHETHER THAT WOULD BOTHER HIM? SO FORGIVE ME MY VOICE. I'VE BEEN ON ZOOM CALLS SINCE FIVE THIS MORNING, SO MY VOICE IS FADING A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO WE HAVE TALKED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS EXTENSIVELY. THE PLANNING BOARD, WE HAD A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT I THINK WENT INTO THE MINUTES. I DON'T THINK WE GOT IT BACK. SO MIKE AND NICOLE WROTE A LETTER OF SUPPORT SAYING THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM FROM A VIEW PRESERVATION AREA FOR THEMSELVES. THAT'S MIKE DIVI, MIKE DIVI, NICOLE DAVIS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE PICTURES AND WE PRESENTED THERE THAT THERE'S NO, AND THERE WAS, THERE WERE REALLY NO QUESTIONS. THERE'S NO VIEW IMPACT FROM THE AQUEDUCT TRAIL ITSELF. SO MIKE AND NICOLE ARE THE ONLY ONES REALLY IMPACTED. YEAH. UM, WE HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORS AT TWO MARBLE TERRACE GYM AND LOIS STRANGES. UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT ANDRUS AND WE HELP THEM OUT A GREAT DEAL, BUT THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL. I CAN ATTEST TO THAT AND YOU COULD, I CAN GET A LETTER FROM THEM IF YOU NEED, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SOUTHEAST AND SO THEIR VIEW IS REALLY JUST ACROSS THAT CORNER AND THERE'S NO IMPACT THERE AT ALL. THE PRIMARY VIEW FROM, UM, THIS IS FROM MIKE AND NICOLE VIC'S HOUSE THAT I TOOK, THAT'S FROM THEIR DINING ROOM PICTURE WINDOW, WHICH IS SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE. THE ONLY, THE ONLY PART THAT IS ALIGNING WITH THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS FROM THEIR GARDEN WHERE THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A LITTLE POND OR, OR A LITTLE GARDEN. SO, WHICH I, I DID SHOW YOU THAT RENDERING LIKE THE QUESTIONS, THERE WAS A GREEN AREA AND I JUST AGAIN WANT TO CLARIFY MM-HMM . THAT WAS SHOWN. THAT'S THE DECK. PART OF THE DECK IS GREEN PART IS NOT, YEAH. UM, THERE'S A GREEN THAT RUNS INTO THE PURPLE. JUST WANNA CLARIFY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHOWING THAT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SETBACK, BUT THAT IT'S NOT A NON-CONFORMING, IT IS A CONFORMING CONDITION AND, UH, BECAUSE IT'S SIX FEET PAST THE SETBACK. SO JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND, WHY WAS IT COLOR GREEN ON THE, UM, JUST AS A MATTER OF MATTER OF IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT. YEAH, IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT. YEAH. WELL, IT'S NOT AN ILLEGAL ENCROACHMENT. OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T CORRESPOND TO ONE OF THE 2 95 20 C SAYS THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PROTRUDE UP TO SIX FEET INTO [00:45:01] THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT'S THE SIX FEET THAT HE'S SHOWING. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ONE OF THE IT'S NOT ONE OF THE VARIS YEAH. IT'S NOT ONE OF THE ISSUES. IT'S OKAY. I SORRY. I I REALLY ONLY THOUGHT THAT THE TWO ISSUES WERE ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE AND THAT NORTHEAST STOOP. UM, THEN AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE THE TWO PURPLE AREAS, YOU WERE YEAH. IF YOU HAVE QUALMS WITH THE STOOP, UH, ON THE NORTHEAST AND YOU KNOW, AND JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE, AND I THINK THIS IMAGE IS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL, UM, THE, THE NORTHEAST STOOP, WHICH REQUIRES LIKE THE MOST SEVERE SETBACK, MEANING THE 1.6 FEET OR MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS IN THAT, THAT, UH, THAT IS THE NEAREST CORNER IN THAT THIS PICTURE. CORRECT? YEAH. AND, AND THE PLAN IS TO COVER THOSE LIKE THE, THE EXISTING FRONT. YEAH. EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE ARCHES, WE'RE, WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT ENVELOPE. RIGHT. YOU'RE MAINTAINING THE ENVELOPE, BUT YOU'RE COVERING OVER THOSE YEAH. WE'RE JUST GONNA COVER IT OVER. AND SO YOU'LL BE ADDING THAT ENTRANCE TO THAT NEAR CORNER. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THERE IS CURRENTLY A HEDGE THERE IS THAT MM-HMM . GOING TO, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY FOR, I DON'T THINK THAT THE HEDGE WILL BE DISTURBED. WELL, I MEAN IT, THE ONLY PART IT WOULD BE DISTURBED IS JUST TO CREATE A LITTLE WALK. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YEAH. WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE, I MEAN, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE A FEW, LIKE LESS THAN TWO FEET BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE, AND THAT FRONT. SO NO, THERE'S AN EXTRA FIVE FEET TO THE STREET, EXTRA FIVE FEET. IT'S ONLY TWO FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN ABOUT ANOTHER FIVE FEET TO THE STREET TO THE CURB. GOT IT. YEP. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT VARIES IN HASTINGS EXTRA. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. I JUST CHECKED THE SURVEY. YEAH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET. GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT STOOP IS ENCLOSED, IT LOOKS LIKE UP TO RAIL HEIGHT AND HAS A SEPARATE CANOPY. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S NOT FULLY ENCLOSED BEYOND THAT VOLUME OF, IT'S NOT AN OPEN RAILING. IT'S JUST A, JUST A WOOD GUARD THAT GOES AROUND. OKAY. IT'S AN, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN AESTHETIC. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION, CONSIDERATION MEMBERS HERE, UM, DOES, DO THE MEMBERS HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO FURTHER WITH THIS CASE TONIGHT? ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, AND IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. MM-HMM . AND I KNOW, LIKE, I EVEN LISTEN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF, ESPECIALLY IN THESE LIKE OLDER HOMES AND OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SETBACK ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AS FAR AS THE VARIANCE ON THE SETBACK MM-HMM . ARE THERE OTHER EXAMPLES OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT HAVE HAD TO KIND OF DEAL WITH, WITH, WITH ISSUES BY, YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY. AND I, AND I KNOW THAT ACROSS THE STREET AT, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, NEW YEAH. 12 MARBLE TERRACE ACROSS THE STREET. UM, THERE'S AN ADDITION, UH, AT THE SECOND FLOOR, A BEDROOM WITH A DECK ON TOP THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS, WE HAD TO GET A VARIANCE FOR, FOR THAT. UM, ACROSS THE STREET HAS BEEN HERE FOR THEIR REAR YARDS. VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. ACROSS THE STREET IS A LOT MORE DENSE THAN HIS YEAH. THAN HIS SIDE OF THE STREET. RIGHT. HE PROBABLY HAS THE BIGGEST SETBACKS. WELL, NOT SETBACKS, EXCUSE ME. HE PROBABLY HAS THE BIGGEST PROPERTIES ON EACH SIDE OF HIS HOUSE COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. I KNOW. IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY TIGHT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO NOT AGGRAVATE THIS CONDITION HERE. UM, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ADHERED TO THE SETBACK HERE AND DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS EXTRA AREA. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE. NICE TO HAVE, BUT PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET IT. . UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED TO MAKE EVERYTHING IN THE, LIKE THE OFFICE AND THE COVERED DECKS, THE COVERED BALCONY AND THIS AREA HERE. UM, SO TO, TO ANSWER YOUR, YOUR QUESTION FROM THE CHAIR, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST THREE NONCONFORMITIES, JUST TO BE CLEAR AND SORRY TO ASK YOU TO REPEAT. THAT'S OKAY. THE EXTENSION NUMBER FOUR, EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, WHAT IS THAT A REFERENCE? WELL, THAT'S, THIS IS THIS IT MORE QUESTION MIKE. CHARLES, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT TWO CONDITIONS. AND SO MAYBE YOU COULD ELABORATE. THE EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY IS FOR THE TWO, THE TWO VARIANCES. OKAY. SO THE FRONT YARD SET BACK TO THE COVERED DECK, [00:50:02] YOUR BATTERY EXISTS, THEY'RE JUST ADDING THE SEC SECOND STORY DECK TO IT. THEY'RE GOING UP WITH A SECOND STORY. SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT EXTENDING THE EXISTING FIRST FLOOR. THE SECOND EXTENSION IS THIS LINE HERE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THIS LINE HERE WAS ALREADY THERE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUTTING A CANOPY ON IT AND THEY'RE REBUILDING IT AND MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, THEY'RE EXTENDING IT EAST TOWARDS THE STREET MORE. RIGHT. SO IT'S THE SAME LINE, BUT IT'S JUST BEING EXTENDED. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO EXTENSIONS OF YOUR EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, I, LET ME GO BACK AGAIN. OKAY. DOES EVERYBODY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO FORWARD IN THIS? FIRST OF ALL, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS INCLUDING YOU PRESERVATION. IS THE BOARD COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY'VE SEEN SO FAR? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS TO ME, AND IN THE DRAWINGS IT LOOKED LIKE THIS, THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE AQUEDUCT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ONLY VISIBLE FROM THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET. WHO, THE PLAN, I DON'T HAVE A LETTER FOR THE ZONING BOARD, BUT THEY DID SUBMIT A, A LETTER TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. DO YOU? YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO SEE MY VIEWS? I, I HAD TRIED TO PULL THEM UP. THEY WERE IN THE, I THINK THEY WERE IN THIS PDF. THERE WAS, THERE WAS IN THE GARAGE. YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS IN THE DECK. AND I, I ACTUALLY, YES, I FELT PRETTY, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I FELT LIKE THERE WAS LIKE MINIMAL LIKE THAT THAT, THAT THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY YEAH, IT'S THE, IT'S THE COVERED DECK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. RIGHT. PRETTY MINIMAL. AND THAT, THAT DOES NOT, THAT DOESN'T IMPEDE THE VIEW FROM THE AQUEDUCT. IT ONLY IMPEDES THE NEIGHBOR VIEW AND THEY'RE, AND WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORS SAYING, THAT'S COOL. MM-HMM . THAT THEY'RE FINE WITH IT. SO YES. SO YES. I FELT LIKE I GOT THAT. YES. OKAY. SO, UM, THANK YOU. UM, GOOD. LUCKIER . CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UM, ON THE FRONT THEN WE'LL GO DOWN. 1, 2, 3, 4 FRONT YARD SETBACK. YOU WANT TO HAVE TAKE A, UM, SURE. UM, MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE IN CASE NUMBER 9 25 9 MARBLE TERRACE, UM, FOR, UH, RELIEF FROM THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THE VILLAGE. ZONING CODE FOR FRONT YARD SETBACK. EXISTING IS 5.6. PROPOSED IS 1.92 REQUIRED IS 12 FEET. THE VARIANCE REQUIRED IS 10.08 FEET. I SECOND. ALRIGHT, LET'S DO JOSH. UH, PROOF. I APPROVE. I APPROVE. OH, I, I APPROVE. ALRIGHT. WHO'S GONNA DO NUMBER TWO? WE'LL GO IN ORDER. YEAH. WELL I'LL DO NUMBER TWO, UH, UM, FOR THE NON-CONFORMITY DETAIL. NUMBER TWO, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO COVER, UH, DECK, UH, EXISTING AND PROPOSED 5.6 FEET REQUIRED 12 FEET. UM, 2 9 5 DASH SEVEN TWO E ONE A VARIANCE REQUIRED. UH, 6.4 FEET. UH, MOTION TO APPROVE. I. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. BRETT, APPROVE. APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED. AND NUMBER THREE, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SIDE YARD SETBACK TO COVERED ENTRY. EXISTING AND PROPOSED 2.89 FEET. REQUIRED FIVE FEET. UM, VARIANCE REQUIRED TWO POINT 11 FEET. SECOND PLEASE. SECOND, APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVED. APPROVE, APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY. I'LL SECOND. I SECOND. WHO WANTS IT? JOSH TAKES IT. . GOOD. JOSH, APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVE, APPROVE. ALRIGHT, NEED TO VOTE ON PRESERVATION. NOW WE, WE GOTTA VOTE ON VP SO I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. I'M LEFT. SURE. WHY NOT? THIS IS VIEW, VIEW PRESERVATION APPROVAL AS PROOF SECTION 2 95 DASH 82 OF THE VILLAGE CODE. AND I GUESS THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THIS ONE. I'LL TAKE IT FROM JOHN. I BEAT YOU. APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED, APPROVED. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, YOUR APPROVAL. AND THANK YOU FOR I'M TOLERATING MY TARDINESS AND MY [00:55:01] BUMBLING, BUT WHO, WHO, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. JUST, JUST WAIT YOU GUYS. SO I GUESS THAT FINISHES US, RIGHT? THAT'S SO WHO'S GONNA, MAY HAVE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. NOBODY WANTED. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. , YOU WANNA SIT HERE LONGER? NO, A SECOND. A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.