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EVERYONE.WELCOME TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF AUGUST 21ST, 2025.
UM, MARY ELLEN, WOULD YOU TAKE ROLL CALL CHAIRPERSON? EVA ALLGOOD HERE.
BOARD MEMBER RICHARD BASS HERE.
BOARD MEMBER ANJALI CHEN IS ABSENT.
BOARD MEMBER DAVID GUNTON HERE.
BOARD MEMBER ERNESTO VIRO IS ABSENT.
PLANNING CONSULTANT PATRICK CLEARY.
VILLAGE ATTORNEY LINDA WHITEHEAD.
HERE BUILDING INSPECTOR CHARLES MOZZI HERE.
SO AS, UM, YOU ALL HEARD, WE UH, ONLY HAVE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS, UM, PRESENT TONIGHT.
IT'S AUGUST, PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION.
SO ANY VOTE, UH, WOULD REQUIRE ALL FOUR OF US PRESENT TO VOTE IN FAVOR.
SO WE'D LIKE TO ADVISE, UM, APPLICANTS HERE WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING, UM, THAT THEY CAN CHOOSE IF THEY WISH TO MOVE FORWARD THIS EVENING AND IF, OR IF THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, AND THEY, THEY COULD HAVE A VOTE TONIGHT.
UM, KNOWING IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A UNANIMOUS TO PASS.
UM, AND SOME OF THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA ARE NOT PREPARED FOR A VOTE ANYWAY, SO, UM, WE MAY HAVE SOME PROCEDURAL STEPS TO TAKE.
SO JUST WANTED TO, UM, ADVISE ALL APPLICANTS THAT WE ARE A GROUP OF FOUR THIS EVENING
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND HAVE, SO WITH, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW.UM, WE HAVE DECEMBER, APRIL, AND JUNE MEETINGS.
AND I BELIEVE THE ONLY MINUTES WE CAN APPROVE, UM, WITH THE MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT, UM, ARE THE JUNE MINUTES AS WE HAD THE SAME FOUR OF US.
SO, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? WELL, DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE JUNE MINUTES FROM ANYONE HERE? NO COMMENT COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE? SO MOVED RICHARD.
SO THOSE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND JUST AS A REMINDER TO THOSE IN THE, UM, PUBLIC, ALL OTHER MINUTES WILL CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE MARKED AS DRAFT.
[III. OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS]
UM, SO THIS EVENING WE HAVE TWO OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.UM, WE HAVE, SO I'M GONNA START WITH THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS STEEP SLOPES APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR JULY
UM, SO WE'RE, UM, THE FIRST, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS STEEP SLOPES APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION OF LAWRENCE AND DEBORAH MAY FOR A NEW SWIMMING POOL AND RETAINING WALLS ON THEIR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 60 EDGAR'S LANE POOL.
SAID PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.40 DASH 27 DASH 22 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS CHAIR.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITH HAN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND THEY HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH SUBSTANTIALLY.
AND, AND HAN DID SEND A MEMO TODAY THAT HE'S IS SATISFIED WITH THE DRAINAGE.
AND SO HAN REFERS TO OUR VILLAGE, UH, ENGINEER MM-HMM
UM, YEAH, SO I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S, IT'S, UH, CAME ONTO OUR AGENDA SOME TIME AGO AND SINCE THEN THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING, UM, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUESTED BY THE VILLAGE'S, UM, CONSULTING ENGINEER THAT'S DOUGLAS HAHN, AND TO RESPOND TO HIS COMMENTS.
SO WE'VE RECEIVED A MEMO AS, UM, OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID, UM, FROM THE ENGINEER AND HIS COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO, UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT? THE PLANS? YES.
I'M A PARTNER AT THE LAW FIRM Z AND STEINMETZ ON BEHALF OF 60 EDGARS LANE, THE APPLICATION OF, UH, LAWRENCE AND DEBRA MAY.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, I'M ALSO JOINED TONIGHT IN ADDITION TO MR. MAY BY NICK GOMEZ PE, WHO DID OUR GEOTECHNICAL REPORT AND RETAINING WALL CALCULATIONS AS WELL AS TOM SCRABBLE PE WHO DID OUR SOIL EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLANS, STEEP SLOPE ANALYSIS AND THE POOL PLAN.
UM, AND TONIGHT, AS YOU INDICATED, WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN IN-GROUND POOL AND ASSOCIATED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AND A RETAINING WALL ON MR. AND MRS. MAY'S PROPERTY.
UM, AS WAS ALREADY INDICATED, THE APPLICATION YOU'RE GONNA SEE TONIGHT, UM, IS A RESULT OF A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BACK AND FORTH AND COLLABORATION WITH YOUR VILLAGE ENGINEER.
UM, MR. HAN, MR. MAY, MRS. MAY AND THEIR CONSULTANTS, UM, AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WERE VERY PLEASED THAT YESTERDAY WE RECEIVED THAT MEMO FROM MR. HAHN INDICATING THAT ALL OF HIS CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND THAT HE'S APPROVED THE PLAN.
UM, SO I'LL BE VERY QUICK TONIGHT, UM, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN IN THE POOL AREA TOGETHER WITH THE, UH, SOIL EROSION SETTLEMENT CONTROL PLAN, THE STEEP SLOPE ANALYSIS, THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT AND RETAINING WALL CALCULATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE ARE SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE PARAMETERS LAID OUT BY VILLAGE STAFF AND WILL ENSURE THAT THIS POOL AREA MINIMIZES AND
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MITIGATES ANY STORMWATER, EROSION OR GEOTECHNICAL IMPACTS.SO I'M HAPPY TO TURN IT OVER NOW TO THE BOARD, TO TOM AND TO NICK TO ANSWER FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOUR BOARD MAY HAVE.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF TONIGHT, WE WILL ASK YOUR BOARD VOTE IN THE APPLICATION AND APPROVE IT.
IF, IF THERE ARE NO PARTS OF YOUR PRESENTATION LEFT, I'M GONNA ASK THE PUBLIC, UM, WHETHER THEY WANNA SPEAK.
UM, IS ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, EITHER TO ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A STATEMENT? OKAY.
SO WITH THAT I'M GONNA ASK MY FELLOW PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DON'T, NO.
UM, AS I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE US.
UH, WELL IT CAME TO US AND THEN WE KNOW THERE WAS THE BACK AND FORTH, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN ADDRESSED IN TERMS OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN.
UM, SO WITH THAT, SINCE NONE OF, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A VERY STEEPLY SLOPE SITE AND IN ORDER TO PUT A POOL IN A PATIO, THEY NEEDED TO BUILD A RETAINING WALL AS YOU HEARD, AND SERVE THE VERY STEEP SLOPES.
UM, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE NEED TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS ON THAT? WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, SPECIAL HARDSHIP EXCEPTION.
DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE
UM, AND THEY'RE WITHIN THAT, UM, THE 15 TO 25, THEY'RE DISTURBING 22.1%.
UM, IT THEN GOES ON AND SAYS THAT FOR SLOPES IN EXCESS OF 25%, NOT MORE THAN A TOTAL OF 25% OF THAT STEEP SLOPE CAN BE DISTURBED.
UM, THEY, ON THEIR PLANS BROKE IT UP INTO 25 TO 35 AND 35 AND ABOVE.
SO YOU HAVE TO LUMP THOSE TOGETHER.
AND WHEN YOU DO, UM, IT COMES UP TO 31%.
SO YOUR CODE DOES ALLOW FOR YOU TO APPROVE A SPECIAL HARDSHIP EXCEPTION TO GO OVER THOSE PERCENTAGES.
UM, AND YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE A FEW THINGS.
THE LOT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED WITHOUT DISTURBING MORE THAN THOSE LIMITS.
THE PROPOSED INSTRUCTION DISTURBANCE IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS CHAPTER.
THE STEEP SLOPE AREA OR AREAS WILL BE DISTURBED TO THE MINIMUM EXTENT CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS CHAPTER.
APPROPRIATE MITIGATION MEASURES WILL BE TAKEN TO PREVENT THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL, THE ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF THE DISTURBANCE OF THE STEEP SLOPE AREA.
AND THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHAPTER ARE MET.
SO WHAT YOUR CONSULTANT HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE TIME, IT'S REALLY TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THE, THE DRAINAGE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING IN A NEW STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT GOES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL.
UM, AND THE OTHER PIECE HE'S BEEN LOOKING AT IS THE STRUCTURAL PIECE OF THOSE RETAINING WALLS.
SO HE HAS INDICATED THAT, UM, THEY'VE MODIFIED THE PLANS TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS, UM, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS OVER THE PERCENT, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVING THE SPECIAL HARDSHIP EXCEPTION FOR THEM TO GO OVER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, UM, A LOT OF THE SITE IS THAT OVER 25% SLOPES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL SORT OF KNOW THE PROPERTY, IT'S AT THE CURVE AT THE, AS YOU GO UP EDGAR LANE AND IT CURVES AT THE TOP.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A STEEPLY SLOPE PROPERTY IN THAT RIGHT ON THE CURVE THERE.
A QUESTION OF OF CLARIFICATION, UM, IS THE PERCENT CALCULATED ON THE SITE PLANS FOR THE ENTIRE LOT OR FOR THE, JUST THE AREA THAT'S BEING DISTURBED? THE WAY THE CODE READS, THEY TAKE THE ENTIRE LOT AND SAY, THIS IS THE AREA OF SLOPES OVER 25%, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GIVE THE AMOUNT OF THAT THAT IS DISTURBED.
SO IT'S A PERCENT OF THE ENTIRETY.
SO A LOT OF THIS LOT IS OVER 25% STEEP SLOPES ACCORDING TO THE CHART THEY HAD ON THE PLAN.
SO IT'S JUST SO THE BOARD'S AWARE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS WITH OTHER PROPERTIES, UM, WHERE THE HOMEOWNERS WANT YEAH, YEAH.
THE HOMEOWNER, IT'S A HILLY VILLAGE, WANNA DO SOMETHING, UM, WITH THEIR PROPERTY, UM, THAT DOES GO OVER THE LIMITS.
BUT THE, THE DISTURBANCE IS FOR A POOL, NOT FOR A NEW HOUSE.
SO THE ACTUAL DISTURBANCE IS LESS THAN WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN OTHER, UH, SITE PLAN REVIEWS.
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LONG BEFORE THERE WAS A STEEP SLOPE.AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE POOL IS OTHERWISE REGULATED THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BY 12 CRITERIA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH WHICH THEY MEET FULLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ACCURATE OR WILL BEFORE THEY GET A BUILDING APARTMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THE, THE SHAPE OF THE LOT PUTS THE POOL WAY BACK AND ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, THERE'S NOBODY BEHIND THEM.
IT WAS BECAUSE THE AQUEDUCTS BEHIND THEM.
THIS LOT EXTENDS FROM EDGAR'S LANE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE AQUEDUCT.
I I, I ACTUALLY WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN WE CRAFTED, UM, OR ADOPTED THESE, UM, STEVE SLOPES, SORRY, STEVE SLOPES, THE STEVE SOAPS ORDINANCE.
AND THE, THE IDEA BEHIND IT WAS MOSTLY, UM, FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS TO MAKE SURE THAT PROPERTIES WERE NOT BEING DISTURBED TO THE EXTENT THAT WE WE WERE DOING ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE AND, YOU KNOW, CREATING RUNOFF AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER ISSUES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY THINKING, IT'S, IT'S 6% OVER THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE IT A HARDSHIP EXCEPTION, BUT, UM, IT, IT DOES COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE AND IT IS A DIFFICULT PROPERTY GIVEN, UM, ITS CONFIGURATION TO, UM RIGHT.
WHICH MEANS THEY REALLY COULDN'T, THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD BUILD A POOL WITHOUT YEAH.
SO TO GET THE FLAT AREA FOR THE POOL, THEY NEED THE WALLS, THE WALLS CREATE ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE.
I THINK THAT THE WAY YOU WOULD PHRASE THAT IS THERE'S NO LESS IMPACTFUL WEIGHT BUILD THE POOL ON THAT SITE.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE RETENTION WENT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, WHICH IS ANOTHER GOOD THING.
THEY HAVE ALL THAT ROOM THAT THERE'S NO CHANCE OF SLOPE FAILURE FROM WATER BEING INFILTRATED INTO THE GROUND.
IT'S, UH, IT'S ALL DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
THEY'RE GONNA PIPE ALL THE STORM WATER DOWN DOWNHILL, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
A GOOD WAY TO THINK ABOUT A STEEP SLOPES ORDINANCE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE KINDS OF APPLICATIONS, IS THESE ORDINANCES, SORT OF, AS THE CHAIR SAID, THEY DON'T EXIST TO TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T BUILD ON A STEEP SLOPE.
THEY EXIST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ON THE STEEP SLOPE, IT'S DONE PROPERLY.
SO GIVEN THAT, DO WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT GRANTING THAT HARDSHIP EXCEPTION? NO.
UH, SO WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UM, TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPES APPLICATION OF LAWRENCE AND DEBORAH MAY FOR A SWIMMING POOL WITH PATIO AND RETAINING WALLS AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS, INCLUDING APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL HARDSHIP EXCEPTION FOR DISTURBANCE OF 31% OF STEEP SLOPES IN EXCESS OF 25.
UM, PATRICK, AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OKAY, SO NEXT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, ON UNDER, UM, UH, OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS IS A VIEW PRESERVATION ADVISORY AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION OF RTV WASHINGTON, LLC FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, CREATING ONE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH 21 NOW 20 PARKING, UM, SPACES, AND A PUBLIC ACCESS MUSE ON TWO EXISTING BUILDING LOTS LOCATED AT NINE DASH 17 WASHINGTON AVENUE.
SAID, PROPERTY IS IN THE MRC ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.70 DASH 48, DASH 37 AND 38 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS.
SO, UM, THIS MATTER HAS BEEN BEFORE US ON OUR AGENDA SEVERAL TIMES, UM, AS WE'VE, UH, DELIBERATED AND PROVIDED FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, NOW THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISED PLAN BASED ON OUR VERY CLEAR FEEDBACK AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, UM, WHERE WE, WE INDICATED, UM, SOME VERY CLEAR FEEDBACK, UH, WHICH WE'LL COVER IN A MINUTE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, UH, PRESENT THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WERE IN, UM, RESPONSE TO OUR FEEDBACK? MADAM CHAIR, WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO TWO ISSUES TONIGHT.
WHEN WE HEAR THE, UH, LAST TIME, UH, THERE WERE TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS STORMWATER AND THE OTHER VIEW VIEW PRESERVATION.
UM, WE HAD GIVEN YOU A POTENTIAL IDEA FOR A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN ON VILLAGE PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT ANYMORE.
WE THINK IT'S A VIABLE OPTION.
HOWEVER, FOUGHT WITH POTENTIAL PROBLEMS, UM, POLITICAL AS MUCH AS ANY, THERE'S
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BEEN A NEW ELECTION.WE WEREN'T SURE WE WANTED TO GO FORWARD.
UH, IN A MINUTE, UH, THOMAS COY FROM HUDSON ENGINEERING WILL SHOW YOU, UM, WE NOW PLAN TO PUT THE STORM WATER ON THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF OUR PROJECT.
WE HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY HAD A UNIT THERE AND CHRISTINA GRIFFITH, WHEN SHE COMES UP, WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE MODIFIED THE SITE PLAN.
THERE WAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT THERE.
WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK A PROPOSED TRIPEX ON OUR NORTHEASTERN UNIT, NORTHEASTERN PART OF THE PROJECT.
WE'VE MADE THAT A DUPLEX SO WE CAN PUT A AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT UNDERNEATH.
WHAT THAT DOES IS IT KEEPS THE, UH, NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AS IT WAS, AND IT GIVES, UH, ENOUGH FOR THE STORMWATER, ENOUGH LAND FOR THE STORMWATER.
WE GOT A LETTER, UH, THIS AFTERNOON THAT CHARLES FORWARDED US FROM HOLLAND ENGINEERING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE SATISFIED.
THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF CONDITIONS, WHICH I'M SURE, UH, CHARLES AND LINDA WILL PUT IN FINAL APPROVAL IF WE GET THAT FAR.
SO WE THINK WE'VE, WE HOPE WE'RE FINISHED WITH THAT ISSUE, AT LEAST UNTIL CHARLES HAN GETS BACK TO US.
BUT THE LETTER SEEMS TO US SATISFACTORY.
THE SECOND ISSUE WE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT HAS NOT BEEN SATISFIED.
UH, WE'LL TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, UM, BULKHEADS, THE VIEW CORRIDORS, AND, UH, UM, CHRISTINA WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN AT THE END OF BRIAN ENSOR FROM Z AND STEINITZ CAN COME UP AND YOU CAN TELL HIM WHAT IT IS YOU WANT US TO DO GOING FORWARD.
SO I KNOW YOU HAVE A PACKED AGENDA.
WE WON'T BE MORE THAN 10 TO 12 MINUTES.
THOMAS COY FROM HUDSON ENGINEERING ON THE STORMWATER PLAN.
AND I JUST, BEFORE HE STARTS, I DO WANNA, UM, CLARIFY THAT THE, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UM, THE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE ON SITE IS ACTUALLY A VILLAGE REQUIREMENT.
SO WE WERE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO COMPLY WITH OUR VILLAGE CODE.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT, THAT, AND WE, WE WERE NOT WILLING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THAT.
BASICALLY, THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK WE GAVE.
YEAH, JUST WANNA, SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE MAIN STICKING POINT.
I'M THOMAS HANNEY WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING.
UM, SO FOR YOU TODAY, THIS, SO THIS SYSTEM FUNCTIONS THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM WE GAVE YOU.
THERE'S THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS.
THERE'S THE COLLECTION, WHICH WILL BE DONE AT THE ROOF LEVELS, AS WELL AS THE COURTYARD LEVEL.
UM, THEN THERE WILL BE THE DETENTION SYSTEM, WHICH IN THIS IMAGE IS THE BLUE, UM, BOXED AREA.
UM, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 208 FEET OF EIGHT FOOT WIDE BY FIVE FOOT TALL CULVERT.
UM, THIS WILL BE BELOW THE GARAGE FLOOR SLAB.
UM, IT'LL BE WATER TIGHT SO NO WATER CAN GET BELOW THE FOUNDATION WALLS ON THE FIRST FLOOR LEVEL.
FROM THERE, THE RUNOFF WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE GREEN AREA.
UM, SO THAT IS, UM, 65 5 FOOT TALL INFILTRATION UNITS, UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILT IN PLACE LIKE, UM, THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE MARK MILK CARTONS WHEN THEY'RE DONE, BUT THEY'RE BUILT IN PLACE.
UM, SO IT KIND OF ALLEVIATES SOME OF OUR, UM, MAINTENANCE CONCERNS OF CONCRETE STRUCTURES THAT POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY NEED TO BE, UM, MAINTAINED, UM, THESE ARE MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE.
SOMEONE CAN DIG THEM UP BY HAND AND MAINTAIN 'EM AS NEEDED.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, THE, THE WAY THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONS IS IT'S GONNA HOLD BACK THAT WATER AND SLOWLY RELEASE IT INTO THE, UM, SOILS IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UM, SO THE, THE NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN REPRESENT THE ENTIRE FLOWS COMING OFF THE SITE.
SO WE ARE ESSENTIALLY FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, WHICH IS ALMOST NINE INCHES, ELIMINATING FLOWS FROM THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S SMALL AREAS OF PATIOS ON AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT AREN'T FEASIBLE TO COLLECT, AND THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO RUN OFF.
UM, I KNOW THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS, UH, FROM HAN'S LETTER.
UM, ONE WAS REGARDING AN OVERFLOW, WE HAVE NO ISSUE, UM, PROVIDING AN OVERFLOW FOR THE SYSTEM IN THE EVENT OF A LARGER STORM.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE HAVE NO ISSUE PUTTING TOGETHER A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AS WELL AS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL, UM, INFORMATION IN FUTURE FUTURE SUBMISSIONS.
BUT AGAIN, THIS, THE, THE MAINTENANCE ON THIS IS GONNA BE FAIRLY SIMPLE.
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THERE'S NOT MUCH UPSTREAM AREA TO PRODUCE SEDIMENT TO, UM, POTENTIALLY CLOG THE SYSTEM.UM, SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, MAINTENANCE IS GONNA BE, UM, FAIRLY MINIMAL.
AND I'LL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR I COULD PASS IT OFF TO CHRISTINA, TO THOMAS, BEFORE YOU GO, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT'S ON TOP OF THE INFILTRATORS? SURE.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE, WE HAVE THIS, THIS PORTION HERE IS PATIO, SO IT KIND OF OVERLAYS IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THIS RED LINE IS THE OUTLINE OF THE BUILDING ABOVE.
UM, SO THIS, THIS IS ON PIERCE WITH THIS SYSTEM, UM, OUTSIDE THE BASEMENT FOUNDATION WALL HERE.
UH, AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE AREA WILL BE THREE QUARTER INCH STONE, UM, TO GRADE ON TOP OF THE SYSTEM.
SO JUST TO, TO YOUR COMMENT THAT THEY COULD BE EASILY REPLACED, IS THAT IN FACT THE CASE? YES.
UM, SOMEONE COULD GO IN THERE.
UM, THERE'S SMALL MACHINERY THAT YOU COULD BRING THROUGH A THREE FOOT WIDE DOOR, UM, THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS WITH.
UM, HOWEVER, IT'S ALSO AT A SMALL ENOUGH SCALE THAT YOU COULD DO IT MANUALLY IF NEEDED.
WHERE WOULD THE OVERFLOW GO? UM, SINCE YOU'RE RIGHT ADJACENT TO VILLAGE PROPERTY, THAT'S, SO WE, WE WOULD LIKE, WE WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH HAN.
UM, IT IS OVERFLOWING A NINE YEAR STORM EVENT.
UM, SO THE MOST PRACTICAL LOCATION WOULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SYSTEM.
WE ARE AWARE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE VILLAGE PROPERTY.
UM, THE OTHER PRACTICAL LOCATION WOULD BE TO TIE INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM WITHIN THE STREET, HOWEVER, AT NINE INCH STORMS, THAT IS GONNA BE INUNDATED ALREADY.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION WITH HAN AND, UM, FIND A PRACTICAL, UH, SOLUTION.
ANY OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HEAR THE ARCHITECTURAL? THAT WAS MY QUESTION ON THE, THE, THE 500 YEAR STORM, WHICH SEEMS TO BE COMING MORE FREQUENTLY.
SO I'LL PASS IT OFF TO CHRISTINA TO GO OVER THE PRESERVATION.
I'M PRINCIPAL CJ STUDIO ARCHITECTS AND I'M GOING TO DESCRIBE THE CHANGES, UH, TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AS A RESULT OF THE NEW STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW, UM, RECEIVED FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEERS.
THIS IS OUR, UH, LOWER LEVEL PLAN, WHICH IS AT THE LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND IN ORDER TO GET THE SPACE HERE FOR THE STORM WATER SYSTEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT SYSTEM ON THE PROPERTY, WE REMOVED THE SPACE HERE.
THAT WAS, UM, PREVIOUSLY AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT.
UM, WE, UH, MOVED IT OVER TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER UP HERE.
UH, THIS IS NOW A, UH, ONE BEDROOM, UM, ONE BATH AFFORDABLE UNIT.
WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS BY ELIMINATING THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE TRIPLEX, UH, ABOVE.
SO THEY, UH, RIGHT, SO THAT HAS NOW BECOME A DUPLEX.
UM, AND WE ALSO WERE, UH, TOOK AWAY ONE PARKING SPACE, YOU TO GET THE AREA FOR THIS ONE BEDROOM UNIT.
UM, OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING AREA.
WE ALSO MODIFIED, UH, THIS UNIT W EIGHT, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD TO MOVE SOME OF THAT SPACE FOR THAT UNIT AWAY FROM THIS AREA FOR THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
THIS IS NOW, UH, THE OTHER, UH, AFFORDABLE UNITS IS THE TWO BEDROOM UNIT.
IT'S NOW A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH UNIT.
WE ALSO MADE SOME CHANGES JUST TO THE OTHER UNITS, JUST TO, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES HAD A DOMINO EFFECT ON THE OTHER PLANS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S HAPPENED.
I GUESS WE'LL LOOK OVER THERE,
UM, WE, UH, ALSO ADDED THIS SMALL AREA JUST TO ADD BACK SOME, UH, MARKET RATE, FLOOR AREA TO THE UNIT.
WE LOST, UH, 31% OF THE, UH, UNIT HERE, UH, THE E SIX UNIT TO GET THE, THIS LAYOUT TO WORK.
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UM, I'M GOING TO NOW SHOW YOU THE, UH, CHANGES TO THE ELEVATIONS OVER HERE ON THE, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.WE NOW HAVE AN OPENING UNDER THE BUILDING SO THAT THERE CAN BE ACCESS AND, UH, TO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
WE PLAN TO USE THIS AS LIKE AN OPEN PORCH.
THIS ALLOWS, UH, MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
SO YOU, UH, IF SOME, A VEHICLE COULD GO IN THERE AND OPEN IT UP IF THAT'S, THAT IS NEEDED.
UM, WE, UH, CHANGED THE ELEVATION OF THE UNITS HERE TO THE RIGHT JUST TO REFLECT THE NEW LAYOUT.
UM, AND THEN I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE OTHER ELEVATION BELOW.
THIS IS, UH, SHOWING THE, THE NORTH ELEVATION AND DOWN BELOW THE CHANGES TO THE ELEVATIONS TO JUST WHEN WE MOVE THAT WHOLE WALL BACK TO CREATE THAT OPEN PORCH FOR THE ACCESS TO THE STORM ORDER SYSTEM.
SO WE HAVE A NEW FENESTRATION THERE, DIFFERENT WINDOW LAYOUT AND GLASSDOOR LAYOUT.
AND ALSO OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE UNIT ON THE, ON THE LOWER LEVEL ALSO WAS MODIFIED TO HAVE, UH, WINDOWS AND DOORS TO, TO WORK WITH THE NEW LAYOUT FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNIT.
THIS IS OUR ZONING DATA CHART.
JUST AS TO POINT OUT THAT WE STILL HAVE 20 UNITS, BUT INSTEAD OF ONE THREE BEDROOM AND 17 TWO BEDROOM, WE NOW HAVE 18 TWO BEDROOM BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE LAYOUT.
AND THEN DOWN BELOW, INSTEAD OF, UH, 21 SPACES, WE'RE NOW AT 20.
THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN, THE SAME SHAPE, SAME FOOTPRINT AS BEFORE.
THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT SHADED AREA OVER HERE IS JUST REPRESENTING THE FACT THAT DOWN ON THE LOWER LEVEL WE HAVE AN OPEN AREA.
AND THIS IS NOW THE, THE WHERE THE PROPOSED STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM WILL BE LOCATED.
NOW, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THE STATUS OF THE BULKHEADS IN OUR VIEW STUDY.
I THINK, UH, NEIL WOULD LIKE TO GET UP TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
I CAN PUT THE, UH, VIEW UP FOR YOU IF YOU LIKE.
WHAT WE DID AT THE LAST MEETING IS WE ASKED CGA TO COME UP WITH THE, SORRY, THE, UH, SMALLEST BULKHEAD ALLOWABLE BY CODE.
WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN, UM, AN, AN ELEVATION YET, NOR DID WE DO A MOCKUP.
UM, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY UP TO THE ROOF.
AND WHILE WE, UH, REVIEWED SOME OF THE GLASS HATCH SITUATIONS, I THINK WE TOLD YOU THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT WOULD WORK IN THIS CLIMATE.
UM, WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING A LOT OF GLASS PARTITIONS, UM, JUST DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT TO US.
EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THEY PASSED MUSTER WITH THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE AND BUILDING CODE, WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO INSTEAD, UM, WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK WITH YOU, UH, NEXT MEETING, SHOW YOU THOSE BULKHEADS IN THE ELEVATION IF YOU WANT, UH, UH, SOME SITE VISIT.
SO MORE PICTURES, LET US KNOW.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS THE, UM, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO REALLY CAPTURE THIS, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE AS GREAT A JOB AS WE MIGHT.
UM, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GIVE YOU AS CLEAR A PICTURE AS WE, WE THINK WE SHOULD WHEN THE, IF AND WHEN THE JOB IS BUILT AS PROPOSED, UM, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS NEED TO SEE THAT.
AND FOR SOME REASON, UH, WHILE WE LIKE THIS PANORAMIC VIEW, UH, THAT'S SHOWING WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA KNOCK DOWN A LOT OF TREES.
SO WHILE WE MAY, UH, PUT SOME BULKHEADS, SOME AS, AS YOU KNOW, BULKHEADS HAVE A SLANT, RIGHT? THEY'RE FOUR AND A HALF FEET WIDE.
THEY MIGHT BE EIGHT AND A HALF FEET, AND THEN THEY EVENTUALLY GO DOWN, UH, THEY, THEY MATCH THE SLOPE OF THE STAIRS, RIGHT? AND THEY'LL MILL IN INTO THE BOOTH.
WE NEED TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT LOOKS AND WE'LL HAVE THAT BY NEXT MEETING FOR YOU.
UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, I THINK, GIVE YOU A CLEARER PICTURE OF WHAT THE WHOLE SITE WOULD LOOK LIKE, IF AND WHEN.
IT'S IF AND WHEN YOU APPROVE IT AS WE ARE PROPOSING IT.
UM, THIS IS THE PICTURE WE HAD, UM, AND WE ARE THINKING, UH, AND WE CAN VERIFY IT ANY WAY YOU WANT US TO, THAT COMPARED TO TODAY, UH, EVEN WITH THE BULKHEADS, WE'RE GONNA SHOW
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YOU NEXT MEETING.WE THINK THE VIEW ON OUR PROPERTY IS GOING TO INCREASE BY SEVEN OR EIGHT TIMES.
AND THE REASON IS WE'RE TAKING DOWN ALL THE OBSTRUCTIONS OF THAT CURRENTLY EXIST.
NOT ON, ON, NOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S OUR PROBLEM AREA RIGHT NOW, BUT ALL IF YOU, IF YOU SEE THE PROPERTY, LET'S JUST SAY AGAIN, USING THE CLOCK AT 10 O'CLOCK, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OBSTRUCTION WITH A PARTIAL BULKHEAD.
BUT AT ONE O'CLOCK, TWO O'CLOCK AND THREE O'CLOCK WHERE YOU CAN SEE NOTHING NOW BECAUSE OF THE 30, 40, 50 YEARS OF, OF TREE GROWTH, UM, THOSE AREN'T GONNA BE THERE ANYMORE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A DARN OF TIME COMING UP WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT, WHICH HASN'T, I'M NOT SURE IT'S BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE WANTED IT TO BE FOR YOU.
SO, UM, WE'LL DO ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO, BUT WE JUST HOPE THAT YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, UH, AS FROM THE VERY SOUTHERN PART OF OUR SITE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT I DID, CHARLES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DID.
IS IT, IS THE SIGNAL GOING OUT? IT'S UM, BUT I CAN, I CAN TALK JUST FOR ANOTHER MINUTE.
OH, IT IT, IT'LL COME BACK ON.
I, I, I GUESS WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE, WE'RE PUTTING OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND WE'RE GIVING YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO SEE THE SITE FROM THE VERY, UH, SOUTH, UH, EASTERN PART OF OUR PROJECT TO THE VERY NORTHWESTERN PART WHERE WE JUST SHOWED YOU WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
UH, THAT'S WHERE THE STORMWATER'S GONNA BE.
WE, WE HAVEN'T, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW BEST TO PRESENT THAT ANY OTHER WAY, UNLESS YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD IDEA BASED ON WHAT WE SHOW YOU ALREADY.
I WOULD SAY WE DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE A MOCK UP AGAIN AND WE DEFINITELY WANT SEE THE REVISED PLANS FOR SURE.
UH, LET'S AT LEAST SHOW YOU THE, UM, THE PLAN FOR THE BULKHEAD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN AN ELEVATION YET.
DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WE HAD THAT.
UH, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE, UH, THE PODIUM, UM, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN RAISED BEFORE, WHY CAN'T THOSE TREES BE REMOVED? NOW? WE SAID FROM DAY ONE THAT, UM, WE WEREN'T GONNA DO ANYTHING TO THE PROPERTY IF WE DON'T GET THE APPROVAL.
UH, BUT WE PROMISED THAT, UH, IT'S NOT A PROMISE IF WE HAVE TO BUILD, WE HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THE TREES.
THERE WAS AN ACCUSATION THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE OR ONE OF THE OWNERS PLANTED THEM THERE.
WE DIDN'T PLANT ANYTHING THERE.
AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE UNDERSTAND PROVIDING, UH, A GOOD, UH, PICTURE FOR, UH, MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND MYSELF AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC.
UH, IT'S A MATTER OF SHOWING SOME GOOD FAITH.
UM, I CAN LOAN YOU MY CHAINSAW.
UM, I WANT THIS SINCE SOME FEEDBACK TONIGHT.
WE'LL DISCUSS IT WITH THE REST OF THE OWNERSHIP, IF THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SHOW IT.
WE, WE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, BUT, UH, HAVING A CLEARER VIEW MIGHT HELP ME.
UM, CAN WE GET ON AND DRAWING OFF, BUT WE HAVE DRAWINGS OF THE BULK HAS, WE HAVE STUDIED, UM, THANK YOU, THE SIZE AND SHAPE TO TRY TO GET THE MOST MINIMAL IMPACT ON VIEW.
AND UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THOSE PLANS AND ELEVATIONS, BUT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, I DUNNO, GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY WITH WAR TWO
I STILL HAVE MY CARRYING CASE JUST IN CASE.
SO WE HAVE ONE IN THE OFFICE AND WE HAVE MISSLES.
I DEFENDED MY UNDERGRADUATE THESIS ON A PROJECTOR.
SO PAPER, JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THAT THAT DARK PINK AREA IS, IS THE BULKHEAD, ALL THE BULKS HEADS THAT, THAT, UM, COVER A SMALL PIECE OF THE RIVER VIEW.
UM, THE DASHED ORANGE IS WHERE WE TOOK AWAY, UH, THE THIRD FLOOR FROM THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THAT WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 30% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE SOUTH UNITS.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIND THE MOST MINIMAL SIZED BULKHEAD WE CAN.
UM, WE ARE ACT TRYING TO FIND A SHAPE THAT HAS THE LEAST IMPACT.
SO ON THE SOUTH UNITS, INSTEAD OF HAVING LONG NARROW BULKHEADS, WE'RE DOING MORE OF A SQUARE SHAPE BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE LONG UNITS WOULD BE PARALLEL TO THE VIEW AND BLOCK THE VIEW FROM THE PEOPLE ABOVE MORE.
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THAT LAYOUT.WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT THIS SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SHOW YOU HOW WE DESIGNED IT TO BE MINIMAL.
AND, UH, THE RED, I GUESS WE GO OVER HERE.
THE RED, UH, LINE IS WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AND NOW WE'VE, WE'VE SHAVED IT DOWN TO GET IT EVEN SMALLER.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE ROOF TO FOLLOW THE ANGLE OF THE STAIR WITH A MINIMAL SIX FOOT EIGHT HEADROOM.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BLINDERS ON THE STAIR TO MAKE THE STAIR AS, UH, SHORT AND SMALL AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO FIND THE MOST, UM, MINIMAL OF SIZE AND SHAPE, UH, AND BULK OF, UM, THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH FOR THESE BULKHEADS.
OVER ON THE LEFT IS THE ELEVATION SHOWING THE, UH, ORIGINAL DESIGN WITH THE THIRD FLOOR.
AND THE BULKHEADS ABOVE, DOWN BELOW IS THE NEW BULKHEADS THAT ARE JUST ABOVE THE ROOF HERE.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, NO THIRD FLOOR.
UH, AND THEN I HAVE ELEVATIONS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE CHANGE FROM PREVIOUS DESIGN WITH THE THIRD FLOOR AND THE BULKHEADS AND THE LOWER BULKHEADS BELOW.
SO, SO IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO, UM, WE'LL PUT IN ELEVATION FORM OF COURSE, AND WE'LL DO SOME MOCKUPS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND, UH, I'LL, UH, I, I MAY ASK RICHARD FOR HIS, UH, SO
WE KNOW WE HAVE TO WORK ON, ON THAT ISSUE.
UH, AND, UM, ONE OTHER THING, UH, THAT WE DID SAY ON THE STORMWATER, OF COURSE, WHATEVER, UM, A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IS, IS AGREED TO, THAT'LL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOA UPON THAT, THAT DOCUMENT AS WELL.
SO, UM, MAYBE BRIAN SENDS AOR FROM, UH, Z AND STEIN COME UP, JUST SO HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU NEED US TO DO NEXT TIME.
I, I THINK I KNOW, WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE OTHER PARTS.
YOU'RE NOT READY FOR THAT YET.
UM, PATRICK, DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH YOUR MEMO AND ANY COMMENTS YOU WANNA SHARE? SURE.
SO JUST A, A COUPLE OF POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
SO THANKS FOR CLARIFYING HOW THE PLAN HAS EVOLVED.
UM, THE PRIOR PLAN, THE STAIRWAY INTO THE, THE, THE ADJACENT MUNICIPAL LOCK, THE PRIOR PLAN HAD A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS FAIRLY ELABORATE WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
I DIDN'T SEE A REVISION OF THAT.
IS THAT THE SAME LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL, PAT, THE PARKING GARAGE ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO MAKE PARKING.
UM, YOU PROVIDE THE, THE LAST SPACE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BUGABOO FOR US.
YOU PROVIDED A TURNING TEMPLATE MOVEMENT TO SHOW HOW A VEHICLE CAN MANEUVER OUT OF THAT LAST SPACE IF, AND IT'S STILL A FOUR POINT TURN TO MANEUVER OUT OF THAT SPACE.
SO IN CHRISTINA'S EFFORTS TO FIND SPACE, IF, IF THE, THE, THE UNIT ACROSS FROM IT WERE TRIMMED BY A FEW INCHES, THAT MAKES THAT MANEUVER A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO I'D ASK YOU TO CONSIDER FUSSING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S NEAR THE STAIR.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A BUSY SPOT AND IF SOMEONE'S MAKING THAT MANEUVER, IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION.
SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS IMPROVE THAT.
UM, BASICALLY YOU TOUCHED ON ALL THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE IN MY MEMO, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
SO I DON'T HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO OFFER WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
UM, DO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE, AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING BACK NEXT WEEK, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ASK THE PUBLIC TO, UM, SPEAK, APPRECIATE THE REVISIONS AS WELL AND I AGREE THAT THE, THE MOCKUP WILL BE IMPORTANT TO SEE, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
AS A PERSON WHO'S TWICE HIT THE, UH, RUBBED THE POLE NEXT TO MY PARKING SPOT IN MY GARAGE,
BUT THE TEST DRIVE, SEE IF IT WORKS.
CLEARLY I'VE NOT EARNED THE PRIVILEGE ANYWAY.
I THINK, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, I, SO I WANNA NOTE THAT WE ALSO, WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM, UM, AND I'M SORRY MA'AM, JUST TO POINT OUT AGAIN, THE REASON THE PARKING IS SO RELEVANT IS YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING ADEQUATE PARKING.
SO YOU'VE ELIMINATED ONE OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT WON THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
I THINK YOU NEED 35, YOU'RE DOWN TO 19 I THINK AT THIS POINT.
THE LAYOUT AND CONFIGURATION OF THE CHALLENGE PUT IT TOGETHER.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A MORE IMPACTFUL CHALLENGE.
YEAH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
UM, WE'RE, I THINK WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY TAKEN A VOTE ON THIS, BUT I THINK, UM, GENERALLY ARE OPEN TO, OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT IS ASKING FOR A REDUCTION IN PARKING,
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UM, WHICH WE CAN GRANT.UM, AND IT, MY MY FEELING IS WE'RE WE'RE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, UM, PAT, THAT HAVING, MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE 20 SPACES THAT ARE THERE, THAT THEY REALLY WORK IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
SO I WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM BRIAN OWEN.
YOU CAN, LEMME FINISH THAT AGAIN.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CAFE, CHRISTINE, IS, IS THAT REMAINING THE SAME? HAS THAT CHANGED AT ALL? WE DIDN'T CHANGE THAT PLANE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ADJUSTING THE DWELLING UNITS, IF THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CAFE C MICROPHONE LAST TO THE LOWER LEVEL HAS NO IMPACT ON THE LAST, UH, LAYOUT OF THE CAFE.
AND WE DID RECEIVE ANOTHER, UH, LETTER FROM A NEIGHBOR, SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
UM, SO WOULD ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? AND IF SO, PLEASE UM, COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UM, AND FILL IN YOUR NAME.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THIS HAS COME SO FAR.
UH, UH, UH, MY NAME IS RAPHAEL HADDOCK.
FOR THE RECORD FOR ADDRESS, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO 4 91 WARBURG.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT I HAD TO WRITE IT DOWN.
SO WE MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
UM, YEAH, NO, FIRST I, I'M, THIS HAS COME SO FAR.
UM, I UH, I WOULD LOVE IT THOUGH IF THEY COULD JUST PUT MARKERS UP AGAIN.
'CAUSE NONE OF THE PICTURES THAT THEY, THAT THEY'VE BUILT ARE APRIL FOR, FOR I'M NOT ABLE TO.
YEAH, THAT WE ASKED FOR THAT ALREADY.
SO WE, WE ALREADY SAID WE WANT, WE WANNA HAVE A MOCKUP.
OH, THE VIEW MARKERS ON THE BUILDINGS.
SO WE'VE ASKED, UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS IF THEY WOULD LIKE, UH, HENDRIK AND I, UM, WILL GLADLY, PERSONALLY CUT THOSE TREES DOWN.
DO THEY WANT US TO, YOU DON'T WANT US TO, YOU WANT 'EM TO STAY THERE
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T INTERACT WITH THE YOU, YOU HAVE TO INTERACT WITH US.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR HAVE A QUESTION? COMMENT.
UM, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THE HEARING STAYS OPEN UNTIL WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE MATTER AND THIS MATTER IS COMING BACK TO US AGAIN.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS A NUMBER OF, UH, SOME THINGS TO ADDRESS.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROCEDURAL STEPS WHICH NEED TO BE TAKEN ON THIS APPLICATION.
AND ONCE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PLAN, WE'LL NEED TO COMPLETE THE C REVIEW.
THEY WILL ALSO NEED TO GET VILLAGE BOARD APPROVAL FOR THE IMPROVEMENT ON THE VILLAGE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WHEN WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PLAN, WE WILL ALSO NEED TO REFER THEM TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE VARIANCES THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON VIEW PRESERVATION.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THE PICTURE REVIEW BOARD GET INPUT FROM YEAH.
AND GET YES AND GET, UM, INPUT FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AS WELL.
SO THAT'S LAYING OUT ALL THE STEPS THAT ARE STILL, UM, TAKE, GONNA TAKE PLACE.
UM, AND I THINK WE NEED SOME OF OUR COMMENTS ADDRESSED BEFORE WE'RE PREPARED TO ADDRESS CR OR REFER THEM TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, UM, OR THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
UM, WE'LL SEE YOU, MATT, MADAM CHAIR.
JUST ONE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT AND ALSO FOR THE BOARD.
I WON'T BE ATTENDING AT THE NEXT HEARING BECAUSE I HAVE A, A PROFESSIONAL CONFLICT.
I'M SPEAKING IN SARATOGA NEXT.
WE DON'T NEED EVERYONE'S SCHEDULES.
UM, BUT WE WILL, SO I THINK IF THERE IS, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH ATTENDANCE, WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT KNOW AND THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION ABOUT, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE ALTERNATES EARLY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE AT LEAST TWO MEMBERS SHORT.
SO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE YOU WHEN YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK.
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DONE IN THE MEANTIME, JUST UM, LET CHARLES KNOW.DO YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IT TO THE MICROPHONE IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, UM, YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
WHEN YOU MOCK, WHEN YOUR NEW MOCKUP IS COMPLETE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WE, WE, WE'LL DO IT THE WAY WE DID IT LAST TIME.
WE'LL TELL CHARLES BEFORE WE DO IT AND THEN WE'LL TELL HIM WHEN WE'RE DONE.
I, I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S, IT, WE SHOULD ONLY MAKE THAT VISIT ONCE WE'VE SEEN THE REVISED PLANS.
'CAUSE IT DOES, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE NEED TO SEE BOTH TOGETHER.
SO THAT, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU RUSH TO DO IT IT NEXT WEEK, IT MAKES ANY SENSE.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO, UM, JUST SO YOU WANT GO AHEAD.
UM, YOU MEAN WE NEED PROBABLY WE NEED TO SUBMIT THE REVISED PLANS BECAUSE WE BROUGHT IT TO THE MEETING.
DID NOT SUBMIT IT, BROUGHT TO THE MEETING, BUT WE TO GET THEM, WE'LL DO THAT.
THEY NEED TO BE PROPERLY SUBMITTED TO US AND ON, YOU KNOW, LINKS SO WE CAN VIEW THEM.
SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, AND, AND JUST ONE NOT FOR YOU, UM, FOR OUR, UM, YEAH, COORDINATORS AT THE VILLAGE LEVEL.
IF YOU, LAST TIME I GOT A LITTLE BIT TOO INVOLVED IN TRYING TO, UM, SEE WHEN PEOPLE, I, I CAN'T DO THAT THIS TIME.
SO IF YOU GUYS MAKE A POINT PERSON AT THE VILLAGE, ALL SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST GONNA COORDINATE ON, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T ALL GO AT, AS THE PUBLIC KNOWS, WE CAN'T ALL, IT'S A, IT'S A MEETING IF WE ALL GO AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IF SOMEBODY COULD JUST TAKE THE LEAD ON COORDINATING THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
SO
IT'S VERY DISTRACTING TO THE NEXT APPLICANT, SO THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO NEXT WE HAVE AN EXTENSION REQUEST.
UM, THIS IS THE EXTENSION, UM, OF FINAL SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION OF GRAHAM WYNDHAM ELECTRIC OWL HOLDINGS, LLC CONTRACTEE FOR THE CREATION OF A MULTIMEDIA PRODUCTION STUDIO LOCATED AT ONE SOUTH BROADWAY.
SAID PROPERTY IS IN THE MPSO OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SB 4.130 DASH 1 39 DASH 1 1 1 Y ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS.
UM, AND THIS IS TRULY AN EXTENSION, UM, BUT I, I INVITE THE APPLICANT TO, UM, PRESENT ON THIS OUR UPDATE.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, STAFF AND CONSULTANTS, MAXIMILIAN ALAK WITH THE LAW FIRM OF CUDI AND FEDDER ON THE BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, AS NOTED BY THE CHAIRWOMAN, THIS IS AN EXTENSION REQUEST, A 180 DAY EXTENSION REQUEST FOR THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AND A ONE YEAR EXTENSION REQUEST FOR THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, WE ARE DILIGENTLY PURSUING ALL ALL THE ENTITLEMENTS, ENTITLEMENTS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FILE FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, NAMELY WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW TO GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S APPROVAL ON THE PLAT, WHICH WILL THEN BE FILED.
AND JUST TODAY WE RECEIVED THE WILL SERVE LETTERS, UH, FROM THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY YONKERS JOINT WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY FACILITY AND THE SAWMILL SEWER DISTRICT.
WE HAVE THE WILL SERVE LETTERS FROM VEOLIA FROM JULY.
SO NOW WE CAN HAND BOTH OF THESE TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND GET THAT HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL.
UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PROJECT WENT THROUGH A LOT OF REVIEW, UM, A LOT OF RESPONSE TO OUR FEEDBACK.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW,
I THINK A SIMPLE EXTENSION MAKES SENSE PERSONALLY, UM, WOULD WANT, WANT TO HOLD THAT UP.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE APPROVALS CAN TAKE A LONG TIME.
SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR
SO, UM, DO SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
UM, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO GRANT? UM, SO MOVED
AND JUST TO POINT OUT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEING NICE AND COMING IN ADVANCE ON THE SITE PLAN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TWICE.
SO IT'S NEXT FIRE UNTIL OCTOBER.
SO, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, RICHARD
SECOND IT, DAVE, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, STAFF AND CONSULTANTS.
[IV. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS]
THANK YOU.OKAY, SO NEXT WE HAVE TWO NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, WE HAVE VIEW PRESERVATION, ADVISORY AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION OF FRANK ELLI FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE RENOVATIONS AND ADDITIONS
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TO HIS MULTIFAMILY DWELLING.LOCATED AT 4 49 WAR BURTON AVENUE.
SAID, PROPERTY IS IN THE MRO ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.70 DASH 52 DASH 21 ON THE TOWN OF RIVER TAX MAPS.
AND WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT? GOOD EVENING, JORGE B HERNANDEZ, AIR Q ARCHITECTURE.
UH, THIS PROJECT, IT'S UH, IT'S CURRENTLY SEVEN UNITS.
UM, WE HAVE A GUN THROUGH THE BUILDING THAT IN HAS BUILT, AND WITH MR. ELLI, WE HAVE WORK TO MAKING THE BUILDING, UH, MORE FEASIBLE FOR, UH, THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE ROOMS AND, UH, OH, HOLD ON FRAME.
AND, UH, ALSO THERE IS LIKE TWO ENTRANCES WE ELIMINATE IN ONE ENTRANCE TO MAKE A MORE COHERENT, UH, APPROACH TO THE BUILDING.
UH, THE BUILDING IS A THREE STORE IN THE FRONT AND THERE IS A, A LOWER PORTION IN THE BACK.
IT'S VERY MUCH OCCUPIES MOST OF THE SITE.
IT'S LIKE, UH, ONE OF THESE ALL, UH, STRUCTURES, UM, HERE AS WE SEE, UM, A COMBINATION OF HOW THE BUILDING FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO, OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, ENLARGE THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR TO, UH, FOLLOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FRONT.
SO WE BASICALLY WE'RE CLOSING THIS IN TO ALLOW FOR BIT, AGAIN, THE ROOMS RIGHT NOW ARE, UH, EXTREMELY SMALL DISTRIBUTION OF THE APARTMENTS, UH, ARE NOT THE MOST, UH, RELIABLE.
SO, UH, AS YOU CAN TELL, EVEN BY, UH, EXTENDING THESE TWO FLOORS, UH, WE BELIEVE IT DOESN'T
IT, IT DOES NOT AFFECT, UH, THE VIEW SHED.
THIS WAS, UM, A PICTURE WE, WE TOOK FROM ACROSS THE STREET, OF COURSE IS, UH, WITH ALL THE SHRUBBERY, BUT IN THE WINTER WE FEEL THE SAME, UH, POSITION.
IT WON'T AFFECT THE, UH, THE VIEW SHED.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE CURRENT LAYOUT AND RED YOU SEE MOST OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE, UH, REMOVING OR RESTORING.
AND THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE NEW, UH, APARTMENT LAYOUT OUT THAT WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING.
AGAIN, THIS MAKES A MORE, UM, EASY DISTRIBUTION, EASY TO USE, UH, AND IT'S A BIT OF SHAPE FOR THE TENANTS.
THIS IS THE CURRENT, UH, BUILDING ASSISTANCE.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AGAIN, WE'RE ELIMINATING THESE TWO DOORS, MAKING ONE ENTRY, UH, MORE ARCHITECTURAL PLEA.
UM, THIS IS THE REAR VIEW SHOWING, UH, THE EXTENSION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE BACK.
AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
THIS IS, THIS EXTENSION IN THE BACK IS, UH, SOWN IN COMPLIANT WITH THE SETBACKS.
AND THIS IS, UH, SOME RENDERING.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE BUILDING TO LOOK, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL FINISH CAN, THE ENTRY, AS YOU CAN TELL, UH, THE EXTENSION.
AND I SHOULD MENTION BEFORE I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE, THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE PROPOSED ADDITION IN THE REAR.
RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING IS 4,419 SQUARE FEET.
WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, 688 A SQUARE FEET ADDITION.
UM, AND THAT IS TOTAL IN ALL THE FLOORS.
IT'S, UH, 180 ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, 3 44 ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND 163 ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING AND WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THOSE FOR THE, UH, NEXT PRESENTATION.
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ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.UM, DO, UM, YOUR EXPANSION, YOUR RENOVATION, IS IT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ON THE SITE? NO, IT'S SEVEN DWELLING UNITS IS REMAIN.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S IMPROVING THE INTERIOR CIRCULATION OF THE BUILDING.
ACTUALLY I WANTED TO GIVE, I'M SORRY.
I WANTED TO GIVE PATRICK A CHANCE TO, I'M SORRY.
NO, I, I ASKED YOU ALL, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
I, I SKIPPED A STEP I WANTED TO GET THAT'S TO PATRICK.
UM, THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
THE, THE, UH, THE PROJECT DOES REQUIRE A NUMBER OF VARIANCES, INCLUDING AR UM, SETBACK VARIANCES WITH THE FRONT SIDE YARD.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BUILDING ABOVE EXISTING BUILDING, IT'S STILL REQUIRES THE VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S IN THOSE SETBACKS.
FAR AND COVERAGE VARIANCES AS WELL.
MAJOR RENOVATION TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE, THE WAY THOSE SEVEN UNITS ARE CONFIGURED.
WHICH LEADS TO THE QUESTION, HOW ARE YOU DEALING WITH, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO BUILDING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND HVAC EQUIPMENT.
I DIDN'T SEE HOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT.
IS IT GOING ON THE ROOF? BECAUSE THERE'S A VIEW PRESERVATION ISSUE HERE.
IF IT'S UP ON THE ROOF, WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT.
JB SO CLARIFY HOW HVAC EQUIPMENT, BUILDING EQUIPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT CHANGES ARE BEING MADE WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
UM, SAME THING WITH RESPECT TO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND EMERGENCY SERVICE ACCESS.
IS THIS CHANGING THAT IN ANY WAY? IS IT RAISING A BUILDING CODE ACCESS ISSUE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? SO COORDINATE WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WITH RESPECT TO THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES.
SORRY, WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE HAVING A CHAIR PROBLEM HERE.
SO
YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL JUST SWITCH.
WE'LL SWITCH AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO REALIZE THAT I'M NOT THE CHAIR
UM, IT'S MY LEG IS FALLING ASLEEP IS SO UNCOMFORTABLE.
I, I, IT'S, I'VE NEVER HAD TO DO THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING, BUT I LITERALLY CANNOT SIT IN THAT CHAIR.
UM, ALRIGHT, SAME THING JB WITH RESPECT TO REFUSE AND, AND ARE YOU DEALING WITH, IS THERE A REFUSE ROOM? HOW ARE YOU DEALING WITH THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT AND BUILT INTO THE DESIGN? SO WASN'T SURE FROM THE PLANS HOW YOU WERE DEALING WITH THAT.
UM, THERE'S A TERRACE IN THE BACK, A NEW TERRACE.
UM, SO IS ANYTHING GOING ON ON THE TERRACE? IS IT, IS THERE EQUIPMENT ON THE TERRACE? IS IT BEING ILLUMINATED? LIGHTING, UM, LIGHTING IN GENERAL SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN, HOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT.
UM, AND UH, THE VILLAGE'S GREEN BUILDING CODE.
SO I DIDN'T SEE ANY REFERENCE TO THE VILLAGE'S GREEN BUILDING CODE, SO YOU SHOULD ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
UM, THE VIEW PRESERVATION ISSUES REALLY RELATE.
IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THE ROOF LINE IS REMAINING THE SAME.
BUT AGAIN, AS I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU'RE PUTTING EQUIPMENT UP THERE THAT BECOMES A VIEW PRESERVATION CONCERN TO US.
DO WE HAVE TO KEEP MOVING? I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION ONE MORE.
UM, IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION WITH RESPECT TO SECRET.
SO WE DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS ON THIS.
SO TONIGHT YOU CAN DESIGNATE YOUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY FOR THIS.
PATRICK, HOW SIGNIFICANT ARE THE VARIANCES ON SETBACK AND, AND FAR? SO IT'S INTERESTING, THE BUILDING AND IT'S NONCONFORMING CONDITION THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 10 FEET ON THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE, THAT'S, AND THE SAME THING WITH RESPECT TO THE SIDE YARD.
THESE HAVE VERY LIMITED YARD SIDE YARDS, THREE AND SIX FEET, BUT THEY'RE AT A HALF AN INCH OR OF THE FOOT, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, UM, BUT IT'S, AGAIN, I THINK THOSE VARIANCES ARE THERE LESS SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE AS, AS MOST OF IT EXISTS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S MORE OF A CONCERN.
UM, IT, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THE DEGREE OF COVERAGE IF YOU'RE A BIRD FLYING OVER THE FOOTPRINT'S THE SAME.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITION IN THE REAR SO THAT THE IN THE REAR YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
ON THE GROUND OR UH, YEP ON THE GROUND.
ALSO, THE, THAT LOOKS THE SAME TO ME.
THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS NONCONFORMING AND THEY'RE MAKING THOSE UNITS BIGGER.
UM, THEY'RE NONCONFORMING AS TO, TO THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
UM, TECHNICALLY THEY'RE TAKING AWAY A DECK THAT WOULD COUNT AS OPEN SPACE, BUT THEY'RE ADDING ANOTHER DECK THAT COULD YEAH.
SO THAT CALCULATION HAS TO BE CLARIFIED.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, BUILDING INSPECTORS GOT A LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE CAREFULLY.
SO BETTER BEHIND THE VARIANCES.
THIS WOULD BE WHERE A CONTRIBUTION TO OPEN SPACE WOULD, WOULD KICK IN.
UH, WE SHOULD, THAT'S RECREATION SPACE.
SO SUBDIVISION HAS THAT PROVISION.
THIS IS DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT ADDING UNITS THAT'S FOR NEW UNITS.
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HOW IS IT NOT CONFORMING TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS? IN WHAT, WHAT DIRECTION IS IT? SO, GOTTA PULL UP THE CODE 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.AND, AND REMEMBER THIS IS IN THE MRO DISTRICT.
THE MRO DISTRICT WAS AMENDED A FEW YEARS BACK.
UM, SO THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE MRO THAT I WILL READ TO YOU IN A MINUTE.
UM, THAT GIVES THE DENSITY AND IT'S BASED ON WHAT THE PERMITTED FAR WOULD BE.
UM, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WOULD BE PERMITTED AT 1.37 AND IT COMES OUT TO SOMETHING OVER 3000 YOU'D, AND THEN THE CODE REQUIRES, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS SHALL BE DETERMINED BY DIVIDING THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA AVAILABLE BY FAR BY 1000.
'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE OVER 3000.
SO THREE UNITS ARE WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ON THIS SITE.
SO THAT'S, WE'RE DOING MORE THAN DOUBLE WELL, BUT THEY'RE EXISTING, RIGHT? THEY'RE EXISTING.
I'M AWARE THEY'RE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
SO THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF LIKE A GRANDFATHERING.
YEAH, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE FOR, FOR THE TOTALITY OF THE PROJECT.
I, FOR THE RECORD, IT'S A, IT'S A, A TRAUMATIC IMPROVEMENT VISUALLY OVER THE EXISTING CONDITION, SO.
I THINK THAT THE ISSUES REALLY RELATE.
I MEAN, LOOK, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE FIXING THIS BUILDING UP, I THINK EVERYBODY THINKS THAT'S A GOOD THING.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU REALLY GOTTA FOCUS ON THE ADDITIONS AND WHAT ADDITIONS DO, WHAT ARE THE SIZES OF THE APARTMENTS? LIKE, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE SIZE AND HOW MANY, REMIND ME THE SIZE OF THE UNITS.
LEMME JUST TAKE A, MY EYES ARE GOING, I'M SORRY.
DO YOU HAVE THE SIZES OF THE EXISTING UNITS? 750, UM,
SEE, HAVE 7 50, 650 AND THIS IS MM-HMM
WITH THE ADDITION, I MEAN RIGHT.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, AND IT'S TWO BEDROOMS, SO 652 BEDROOMS. SO YEAH.
'CAUSE I CHECKED THAT JUST IN CASE WE HAD A, WE HAD AN INCREASE AND WE HAD TO LOOK AT PARKING.
BUT THE BEDROOM COUNT IS THE SAME.
I JUST WAS, I WANTED TO BE FROM MM-HMM
I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE BEDROOM, SIX 50 FOR TWO BEDROOMS. YEAH.
IF YOU SHOW US THE LAYOUTS, THAT'S HELPFUL.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU LIST THERE WHAT THE SIZE OF EACH APARTMENT IS.
SO THERE'S THAT TWO BEDROOM 645, ANOTHER ONE.
SO IS THAT, THAT'S NOT TOTAL JB IS IT SIX 50 FOR A TWO BEDROOM UNIT OR IS THAT, DOES THAT COUNT THE BEDROOMS AS WELL? I DON'T THINK SO.
THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY SMALL FOR A TWO BEDROOM UNIT.
GIVE YOU THE, THE BEDROOMS ARE SMALL.
I THINK IT'S, YEAH, THE CODE DOES HAVE A MINIMUM, MINIMUM FLOOR AREA, WHICH I THINK IS 500 SQUARE.
HEY LOOK, I LIVED IN A TWO BEDROOM THAT WAS TWO 700 SQUARE FEET.
SO THERE'S FIVE NEW YORK CITY STANDARDS THAT'S NOT SMALL
MY FIRST NEW YORK CITY WAS 804 BEDROOMS. SO THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT LOOKS A MAJOR TO ME.
AND THEY'RE ALL TWO BEDROOMS OR SOME OF THEM ARE ONE BEDROOM? THERE IS ONE, ONE BEDROOM, I BELIEVE IN THE LOWER LEVEL.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE A RENTAL? IT'S A RENTAL NOW.
AND IT'S GONNA REMAIN RENTAL? YES.
AND JUST MARKET RATE OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SUBSIDY? I THINK IT'S MARKET RATE AND IT'S GONNA STAY MARKET RATE.
SO JB YOU'RE PUTTING A UNIT THAT'S NO, THERE'S NO UNIT IN THE BASEMENT NOW.
AND THERE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
DID YOU TALK TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ABOUT CODE COMPLIANCE IN THAT SPACE? DO YOU HAVE NO, THERE IS A UNIT.
NO, THERE IS A UNIT IN THE BASEMENT.
I'M WALKING THROUGH THIS BUILDING YEARS AGO.
THERE IS, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO UNITS PER FLOOR.
SO THAT'S THE ONE IN THE BA CAN WE SEE THAT ONE IN THE BASEMENT? SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE EXISTING, THAT'S EXISTING.
THAT'S THE EXISTING LAYOUT, YEAH.
AND THE, THE BASEMENT HAS, IS IT HAVE REAR WINDOWS OUT OF THE BACK? YES.
IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT UNDERGROUND.
SO YEAH, THE MECHANICAL PART OF THE BASEMENT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
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GROUND.UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A, JUST TO, UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT BASEMENT AND THAT IS, UH, AN APARTMENT DOWN THERE.
WE ESTABLISH, WHICH IS A REARRANGEMENT.
IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A FIRE ESCAPE ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
NOW THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT NOW.
BUT THERE, BUT THERE WON'T BE AFTER THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NO, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FIRE ESCAPES ANYMORE.
SO WHAT YOUR EGRESS HAS TO BE INTERIOR.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO ME TWO FORMS OF INTERIOR EGRESS NOW MM-HMM
THE, THE CODE DOES NOT WANT FIRE ESCAPES ANYMORE.
THEY, THEY CUT THOSE OUT QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED.
UM, OH, TWO SCISSORS, STAIRS, POST POST RENOVATION.
SO THE INTERIOR, UH, EGRESS IS TWO SCISSOR STAIRS.
UM, IT HAS TO BE TWO SEPARATE STAIRCASES, RIGHT.
THAT ARE, THAT CAN BE COMMONLY LINKED BY A HALLWAY.
I MEAN, THE APARTMENT STILL HAS TO HAVE EGRESS WINDOWS FOR LADDER ACCESS, BUT NO MORE, NO MORE FIRE ESCAPE.
THE ONLY THING THAT FEELS OUT OF PLACE TO ME, UM, AND THIS IS NOT A SITE PLAN COMMENT, BUT JUST THE BRICK AT THE BOTTOM SEEMS OUT OF PLACE.
LIKE IT'S NICE, UM, CLADDING EVERYWHERE ELSE AND FOR CONSISTENCY IT FEELS LIKE THE BRICK IS OUT OF PLACE.
BUT THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S JUST AN AESTHETIC PREFERENCE EXCEPT THE BRICK NEXT DOOR, RIGHT? YEAH, IT DOES.
BUT IT WAS, THE INTENTION WAS TO ONE, LIKE THEY SAID, PICK UP THE BRICK NEXT DOOR.
AND TWO IS TO GIVE IT A BASE TO THE BUILDING.
THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS ALL, SO THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS ALL BRICK.
THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS ALL CLAD.
SO THAT'S MY, IT JUST FEELS, YOU CAN MENTION THAT TO THE A RB AND HAVE 'EM BEAT 'EM UP.
I DIDN'T SAY I STILL GET TO SAY IT.
YOU SUCH A MENTION THAT TO THE ARB
BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S AN AESTHETIC PREFERENCE, UH, COMMENT.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOPE.
SO DOES ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, OH, JUST YES.
I NO, THAT'S, THIS IS A BAD NIGHT FOR ME.
THE IMAGES YOU HAVE OF THE ELEVATIONS, THEY'RE FROM A DRONE.
THE VIEW PRESERVATION, THE VIEW PRESERVATION VIEWS, WHICH ARE FROM A DRONE.
SO WE NORMALLY WOULD WANNA SEE IT FROM THE ADJACENT BUILDING RATHER THAN SOME ARBITRARY SPOT IN THE SKY.
SO IF YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE WAY TO GET LOGICAL SHOTS, THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE USEFUL.
WE HAVE
I I GUESS I'LL, I'LL MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE DECISION TO GO WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS.
UM, 'CAUSE IT IS A LOT OF UNITS AND THEY ARE SMALL, BUT I THINK, UM, THERE IS A DEMAND FOR SMALLER UNITS THEY AGREED ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE, EVEN IF THEY'RE MARKET RATE BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR LESS SPACE AND MM-HMM
UM, SO I THINK KEEPING THAT DENSITY THAT'S EXISTS IN THAT BUILDING IS A, IS A NICE CHOICE THAT THE DEVELOPER'S MAKING.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? THIS, THIS SECTION HAS A LOT, IS PRETTY DENSE IN TERMS OF HOUSING, CORRECT? YEAH.
IT'S THE, AS FAR AS FAR GOES, THIS IS OUR, DIDN'T THE MOST DENSE ALLOWED NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE VILLAGE.
DENSELY ALLOWED, BUT THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A JOKE JUST IN TERMS OF DEMAND.
THERE'S A NEED FOR SMALLER UNITS.
UM, PEOPLE'S HOUSEHOLD SIZES HAVE REALLY DECREASED QUITE A BIT IN RECENT DECADES.
AND SO THIS IS TO ME, I THINK MEETING A MARKET NEED.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I THINK WE, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'RE GONNA, UM, INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE COMMENTS.
AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PLEASE WRITE IT DOWN.
I LIVE IN A HOUSE ABOUT FIVE BUILDINGS SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT.
SO, UH, UH, ONE PRACTICAL COMMENT.
I SAW THAT THE BEDROOMS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING HAVE WINDOWS FACING THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT THERE IS ALLOWABLE LOT LINE SETBACKS ON THOSE WINDOWS.
THEY CAN KEEP THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, BUT THEY CANNOT ADD MORE WINDOWS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF EGRESS, THERE'D BE NO WAY TO GET EGRESS FROM THOSE WINDOWS EITHER IN TERMS OF FIRE APARTMENT NO, THAT'S, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FRONT AND REAR EGRESS.
UM, A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE WITH SMALLER APARTMENTS IS A RELATIVE TERM.
UM, AFFORDABILITY IS, IS IN SHORT
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DEMAND IN THE VILLAGE, AS WE ALL KNOW.YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT LATER.
UM, ANYTIME YOU MAKE SOMETHING BIGGER, YOU'RE GONNA CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR IT AS AS YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
AND IN GENERAL, I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT.
I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DO HAVE A CAUTIONARY TALE.
AND THE CAUTIONARY TALE IS THE HOUSE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS ORIGINALLY HAD, IT WAS A TWO STORY HOUSE.
AND WE SPENT MONTHS DISCUSSING THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED TO BUILD OUT TO THE SIDEWALK LINE, EVEN THOUGH THIS ZONE HAS, I BELIEVE IT'S A 10 FOOT SETBACK, 10 FOOT.
SO WE WERE ARGUING ABOUT IT AND THE CLIENT KEPT GOING, I NEED IT, I NEED IT, I NEED IT, I NEED IT.
AND NOW WE HAVE SET UP A SITUATION WHERE THE BUILDING NEXT TO THEM, WHICH HAD THAT SETBACK AND CREATED LESS OF A WALL ON WALL BURTON AVENUE, WHICH IS, AS BUDDY JUST SAID, THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN THE VILLAGE.
WE'RE NOW ALLOWING MORE BUILDINGS IN THAT ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO CREATE THIS WALL ON WAR BURTON AVENUE, WHICH CERTAINLY IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE REST OF THE VILLAGE.
UM, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT WE ALLOW ONE PROJECT AND THEN THE NEXT PROJECT DOWN THE ROAD IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS GRANTED AS A VARIANCE.
AND I'D LIKE TO NOT BE SO FREE WITH THOSE VARIANCES BECAUSE IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE STREET.
SO, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT PER SE, BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A 10 FOOT SETBACK AND NOBODY SEEMS TO BE REGARDING THAT AT ALL.
IT'S LIKE, NO, SOMEBODY ELSE DID IT.
SO WHY CAN'T WE, THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD BE MAKING DECISIONS.
AND I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT VERY SERIOUSLY AND ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS EVERY OTHER PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING ALONG.
RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME, JUST SOUTH OF ME IS GONNA BE, THERE ARE THREE UNITS NOW IN A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR SIX YEARS THAT'S COMING DOWN THERE.
WAIT, THIS BOARD HAS NOT SEEN THAT.
I AM, I'VE TALKED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING TO YOU.
'CAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT AND THEY'RE THINKING DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 15 UNITS.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA TRY AND BUILD RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK LINE AGAIN BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE SEEMS TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO SET A PRECEDENT WHERE WE DON'T NECESSARILY GRANT A VARIANCE THAT'S NOT NECESSARY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WANTED.
JIM, CAN YOU WRITE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? THEN I CAN.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION, THE PUBLIC? NO.
UH, SO WE DID RECEIVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH POINTING OUT THAT THE FENCE TO THE SOUTH IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AND IT ACTUALLY APPEARS TO BE THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE COMING OFF THE REAR, THEIR BUILDING.
AND ALSO INDICATING THE OWNER OF 4 49 IS USING THE ALLEY, NOT ON HIS PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALL WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO WHILE IT IS GOOD TO BE AWARE OF THESE THINGS, I'M NOT SURE THEY IMPACT OUR REVIEW.
YOU'VE GOTTEN, I'M GOING TO BE SPEAKING WITH THE OWNERS ABOUT THE, UM, THE ENCROACHMENTS.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU'VE GOTTEN TWO MORE LETTERS SINCE THEN? UM, I THINK BOTH FROM PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE REAR ON RIDGE STREET.
SO THE BOARD WILL TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, I ALSO NOTE THIS APPLICATION REQUIRES A NUMBER OF VARIANCES AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, UM, INCLUDING SEVERAL, NOT POINTED OUT BY THE APPLICANT.
AND OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL REVIEW AND PROVIDE US WITH A LIST OF ALL THOSE VARIANCES NEEDED.
UM, AND AS OUR VILLAGE PLANNER POINTED OUT, UM, THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER CCRA.
SO ALL YOU CAN DO TONIGHT IS TAKE THE INITIAL STEP OF CIRCULATING A NOTICE OF OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
SO WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
UM, SO YOU HAVE SOME THINGS TO ADDRESS BASED ON
AND THE VILLAGE WILL, WILL ALSO BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU REGARDING THE ADDITIONAL VARIANCES.
YEAH, HE'S GOT THE NEXT ONE TOO.
SO NEXT WE HAVE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL APPLICATION OF MOHAMMAD RAHEEM FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF HIS PROPERTIES LOCATED AT SEVEN NRA PLACE AND ZERO SURROGATE AVENUE.
PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2 95 DASH ONE 15 OF THE VILLAGE CODE SUB PROPERTY IS IN THE R DASH 7.5 ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS 4.150 DASH 1 55 DASH THREE AND 15 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS.
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TO REFRESH OUR MEMORIES, THIS APPLICATION WAS BEFORE US A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT THE APPLICANT IS NOW BACK TO CONTINUE THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.AND, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT THE PLANS? UM, BY THE WAY, TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT, UM, WERE NOT ON THE BOARD WHEN THIS MATTER WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, PRESENTED.
UM, THIS IS A, IT'S TWO LOTS, UH, THAT WE ARE COMBINING AND, UH, AND THEN REALIGNING THE PROPERTY LINES.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 13,000, UH, 400 SQUARE FEET.
THE, THE LADDER IN THE CORNER, UH, CLOONEY, AND, UH, THIS IS CLOONEY, HERE IS RA.
SO THE MAIN HOUSE, THE TWO FAMILY HOUSE EXISTING IS ON THE CORNER.
THEN WE HAVE, UH, AND WE HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL LOT IN THIS OTHER CORNER.
UM, MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAD AN EXTENSION, EXTENSIVE REPRESENTATION WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT HAVING, UH, PARKING ALONG CLOONEY AVENUE.
SO WE MOVED THE DRIVEWAY TO FARGATE AVENUE.
AND IT WAS ALSO, WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE DID RECEIVE THE VARIANCES.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE ACTION AT THE TIME, WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR THE SAME VARIANCES.
BUT WE ARRIVED IN, UH, THE VARIANCES AND EVEN THE OLD ENGINEERING, UH, MOST OF THE ENGINEERING ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED.
UH, AND THIS, OH, I'M SORRY, THIS, UM, LIKE THIS A LITTLE BIT, THIS DRAWING HERE, UH, CLEARLY, UH, SHOWS, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CORNER IS A VILLAGE OWNED PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP.
IT USED TO BE IN THIS ARRAY BEFORE, BUT NOW IT'S CLEAN UP, CLEANED UP.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE PARA, UH, AND IN YELLOW, YOU SEE, UH, WHEN WE ARE PROPOSING THE LATER LINE ADJUSTMENT IN YELLOW, YOU SEE WHAT, UH, THE VARIANCES THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO SEE.
AGAIN, THERE WAS, UH, A TRAFFIC REPORT DONE.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION IT WAS ARRIVED AT.
THE BEST LOCATION WAS, UH, LONG FARGO AVENUE.
UH, THERE WAS LANDSCAPING PROPOSED.
AND THIS IS THE TWO LOTS AS THEY STAND.
AND THIS IS THE TWO LOTS AS WE ARE PROPOSING THE BLUE AND THE ORANGE.
UH, THIS, THE TO MORTAR DESIGN.
THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING DESIGN FOR THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, THIS WORK ALREADY HAS BEEN DONE ON THE TWO AND A HALF BRICK DWELLING ALONG, UH, N THIS IS, THIS IS THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 1980, 82 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S AN AVERAGE WITH THE, UH, HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THIS, THE ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSE AGAIN.
BUT WE ARE, I GUESS WE'RE RESTARTING THE PROCESS.
UH, WE'RE ALMOST FINISHED THE LAST TIME.
SO NEXT, NEXT STEP WILL ALSO BE TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND RENEW THE VARIANCES.
WE ARE GONNA END UP, WE END UP WITH FOUR VARIANCES.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMING, UM, FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAD MOST OF THE ENGINEERING DONE ALREADY, AND THERE WERE CERTAIN COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, STORM WATER THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
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OKAY.UH, PATRICK, DO YOU WANNA SUMMARIZE YOUR COMMENTS HERE? SURE.
SO YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS, EVA.
YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS, BUT THERE WAS 22 WHEN THIS WAS WHEN YOU WERE BEFORE US.
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EFFORT WENT INTO THIS PLAN.
IT WAS, IT WAS TRICKY TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, THE ADJACENT MUNICIPAL LOT WAS SORT OF IN PLAY FOR A WHILE.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE APPLICANT TO ACQUIRE THAT, TO MAKE THIS WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THE LOT THAT FRONTED ON CLOONEY WOUNDS HAS NOW BEEN, UM, RECONFIGURED TO FARGATE.
THERE WAS A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT LOOKED AT THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY, WHICH WE HAD SOME INITIAL CONCERN ABOUT, WAS FOUND TO BE ACCEPTABLE.
IT MEETS SITE DISTANCES, SO IT WORKS.
UM, THE, THE APPLI, WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH SEEKER.
WE ADOPTED A NECK DECK FOR THIS.
SO THAT REMAINS IN PLACE, PROVIDED NOTHING CHANGES.
AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT OBTAINED THE, THE VARIANCES FOR THAT.
THERE WAS A BIT OF A BUGABOO ABOUT A CONCERN THAT THE BOARD HAD WITH RESPECT TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LAW.
AND MAYBE COULD YOU GO TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN? IT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THE, THE TRIANGULAR TAIL, UM, YEAH, THAT TRIANGULAR TAIL THAT SHOWS NEW LANDSCAPING IS, WAS THOUGHT TO BE SORT OF AN ORPHAN.
UM, IT'S BEHIND THE PARKING LOT FOR THE TWO FAMILY HOME BEHIND THE HOME ON, ON FARGATE NOW.
AND IT'S NOT, IS THE GUY ON, ON, ON, UH, NEP POWER REALLY GONNA MAINTAIN THAT LITTLE ORPHAN AREA? SO THE BOARD WAS KIND OF PUSHING JB TO CONSIDER ADDING THAT TO THE, TO THE CLOONEY LOT.
THE ZONING BOARD MADE HIM DO THIS.
THE, THE ZONING BOARD AND THE, THE ZONING, RIGHT.
THE ZONING BOARD MADE HIM DO THAT.
AND THE, AND THE APPLICANT'S POSITION WAS LIKE, I GOT THE VARIANCES FOR THIS.
SO I'M KEEPING IT AS IS THE POINT BEING THOSE VARIANCES NO LONGER EXIST.
SO YOU SHOULD REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION NOW TO SEE IF, IF WE DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD AND ASK TO MODIFY THAT, IT'S NOT A HUGE ISSUE, BUT IT'S A PRACTICAL ISSUE.
SO THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S PROPOSED THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING ON THE VILLAGE PROPERTY IS ALSO ON VILLAGE PROPERTY.
SO WHO'S MAINTAINING THAT? SO THERE'S TWO BITS OF THIS SUBDIVISION THAT SORT OF ARE IN LIMBO OR IN A LAND OF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR KIND OF, SO IT'S A BIT OF A CONCERN, NOT A MAJOR ISSUE.
BUT NOW THAT HE'S BACK BEFORE US, WE SHOULD REVISIT THEM.
UM, AND, AND I'M SORRY, JUST NO, NO.
SHOULD TO ADD TO THAT, THAT THAT LANDSCAPING THAT YOU SEE AND AND THE ORIGINAL LAB THAT WAS ADDED IN RESPONSE TO THAT CONCERN TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE THAT SUBDIVIDED THAT THERE WAS, UH, A BUFFER BETWEEN THE, THE EXISTING DWELLING AND THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE.
AND AGAIN, THE POINT BEING WHEN THE NEXT HURRICANE ROLLS THROUGH AND THE BRANCHES FALL UP, ARE THEY GONNA CUT THE TREE? ARE THEY GONNA LIKE, IT'S PRACTICAL ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, NOT A MAJOR ISSUE, BUT SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK ABOUT IT.
PATRICK, I HAVE A QUESTION TO YOU.
UM, ON AN EXPIRED VARIANCE, UH, IS THE APPLICATION AS IF IT'S A NEW VARIANCE? YEAH.
SO, AND, AND JUST TO EXPLAIN SORT OF THE REASON BY, BY INCLUDING THAT PIECE, IF YOU WILL, THAT TRIANGLE IN THE NAPRO LOT, IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES AND THE EXTENT OF VARIANCES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE NAPRO LOT.
IT PUTS IT ON A CONFORMING SIZE LOT.
IT GIVES IT MORE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TOTAL SPACE FOR TWO, UM, MINIMUM SIZED LOTS.
SO WE ALL KNEW THERE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LOTS WAS GONNA BE UNDERSIZED OR BOTH WERE GONNA BE UNDERSIZED.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE THAT ONE NOT UNDERSIZED.
IT HAS A NON-CONFORMING TWO FAMILY HOUSE ON IT.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO GIVE IT MORE ROOM.
IT ALSO HAS FAR AND COVERAGE ISSUES.
THOSE VARIANCES WERE REDUCED BY GIVING IT MORE AREA.
THE RESULT, HOWEVER, IS THAT THE FARGATE, THE NEW HOUSE NEEDED A REAR YARD SETBACK VARIANCE BECAUSE OF WHERE THAT LINE IS NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE, AND I, I THINK TO THE CHAIR AND TO PAT'S POINT IS PHYSICALLY IT DOESN'T CHANGE HOW ANYTHING LOOKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE PUT THAT LINE ISN'T GONNA CHANGE WHERE THESE HOUSES ARE IN RELATION TO ANYTHING ELSE.
THE CONCERN IS DOES IT REALLY MAKE SENSE? YEAH.
UM, OR WOULD IT MAKE BETTER SENSE TO HAVE THAT LINE EVEN AT THE ANGLE IT'S AT GO STRAIGHT.
AND GIVE THAT PIECE TO THE HOUSE ON CLOONEY ONE ADDITIONAL, I'M, I'M SORRY.
UM, THIS BOARD WANTED THE, THIS
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BOARD ASKED TO EXPLORE THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING IT STRAIGHTFORWARD AND THEN THE, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SETTLED ON THIS TRIANGLE.BUT WEREN'T WE TROUBLED BY, UH, THE, THE ASK THAT MAYBE TWO HOUSES ON THIS LOT WAS, COULD YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY.
I ACTUALLY, I REMEMBER THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY THIS BOARD THAT PUSHED THIS BECAUSE OF, UM, THE TWO FAMILY HOUSE BEING ON THE, ON A CONFORMING LOT, NOT CREATING TWO NON-CONFORMING LOTS.
BUT I COULD BE REMEMBERING IT WRONG.
I JUST REMEMBER THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME, UH, THAT THE ASK MAY BE TOO MUCH.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT THIS IS, AND YOU MADE THEM SHRINK THE HOUSE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CHANGES AND, AND I COMPLEMENT THE ARCHITECT AND THE, THE APPLICANT FOR WANTING TO WORK WITH THE BOARD.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND NOT TO PREJUDICE THE, THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT MAYBE THE ASK WAS TOO MUCH.
WE, WE DID, THIS BOARD DID DISCUSS, BECAUSE THAT FRONT HOUSE IS A TWO FAMILY, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THAT MUCH LAND AWAY.
AND IT WAS A LOT OF BACKING AND FORTH AND WASN'T THERE WORK GOING ON ON THAT BUILDING WHEN IT WAS BEFORE THE, IT WAS RENOVATING AT THE TIME AND THEY DID THE PARKING AND THEY DID A NEW PARKING LOT TOO.
THE THING IS THAT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THE OCCUPANTS OF THE NAPER HOUSE ARE GONNA, IT'S NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE TO USE THAT LITTLE SLIVER.
THEY NEVER LAND BECAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU'RE ENCROACHING ON SOMEBODY ELSE, AT LEAST PERCEIVED SPACE.
SO I THINK IT'S PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, LOOKING AT IT NOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO TRY TO GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL IDEA OF HAVING IT BE A, A STRAIGHT LINE.
WHAT IS THE USE OF, I'M SORRY.
NO, JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO IT, JUST INTERRUPT HER AS I'M SAYING, MAKING THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE LINE GO ACROSS THE, THE LAW
RESEARCH CAME BACK TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S AN EXTENSIVE, WITH THE STUDIES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW MANY HOMES THAT WERE THERE, THE SIZES, THE AVERAGE OF THE HOME, ALL OF THAT WAS DONE AT THE, UH, ASK OF THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE IN THE, THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BOTH THIS BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD.
WHEN THE ZONING BOARD GRANTED THE VARIANCE THAT, THAT INFORMATION WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT INFORMATION ADDRESSED BOTH UNDERSIZED LOTS IN THE AREA MM-HMM
AS WELL AS THE SIZES OF THE HOUSES, BECAUSE THIS BOARD DID MAKE THEM REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE, THE PUBLIC, THE VILLAGE OWNED LAND, WHAT IS THE, IS IT, THAT'S JUST A RANDOM PARCEL.
IT'S ACTUALLY DESIGNATED PARK LAND.
IT'S JUST A LAWN, BUT A DESIGNATED PARK LAND.
IT'S JUST, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING WAS THE OLD LONG TIME AGO IT WAS A GAS STATION? IT WAS A GAS STATION.
IT WAS A GAS STATION,
IT HAS BEEN REMEDIATED AND GEOLOGIST SP HIS KIDS, UM,
YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT UH, THAT LAYOUT'S DEFINITELY A CAMEL FOR SURE.
SO VISUALLY IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK MM-HMM
DO ANY, DOES ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? AND IF SO, PLEASE COME UP AND YES, IT LOOKS LIKE YES.
SO PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
TAKE YOUR TIME, NAME FIRST IF YOU CAN.
YOU WANT ME TO DO IT FOR YOU? MY OPPOSITION HEARINGS.
I RESIDE AT THE DEAD END OF THE STREET.
YES, THERE WAS A GAS STATION THERE AFTER DILIGENT NEIGHBORHOOD GETTING TOGETHER.
IT WAS LEFT ABANDONED, DISARRAYED USED AS A, A BATHROOM ANIMALS.
WE FUNDRAISED WITH THE HELP OF, UH, MR. FINER.
WE'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR OUR FENCE BACK.
THEY KEEP PROMISING US FOR 10 YEARS TO PUT THE FENCE BACK UP.
WELL, THE, THE OWNER OF THIS PARCEL MAY HELP US OUT WITH THAT FENCE.
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BUT WE GOT YOU IN MIND.A WELCOME DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LOT WOULD BE, UH, WELCOMED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, HOWEVER WE HAVE CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, WE DON'T WANT OUR PARK DISTURBED AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, UH, USED AND ABUSED.
UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT WILL BE WATCHED CAREFULLY BECAUSE THAT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MY BIG CONCERN, AND I'VE RAISED IT BEFORE ON A ZOOM MEETING, IS THAT THAT GAS STATION HAD OIL THAT LEAKED.
AND IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THE NEIGHBOR'S UNDERSTANDING THAT NOTHING COULD BE DEVELOPED ON BOTH THE PARK PROPERTY AND THAT LOT.
THERE WAS MAPS OF WHERE THE OIL, UH, POOLED AND IT'S, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY IT'S NEW SOIL, IT'S NOT, IT'S BURIED IN THERE.
SO I HAD ASKED THE BOARD IF THEY WERE GONNA DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL OR A SOIL STUDY TO SEE ONCE THEY START DIGGING AND PUTTING A BASEMENT IN, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA UPHEAVAL OF, OF CONTAMINATED SOIL? SO I ASKED THE BOARD TO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO DOING A, A SOIL STUDY BEFORE ANY DIGGING BEGINS.
WAS THERE, THERE WAS LIKE THEY REMOVED CONTAMINATED SOILS.
AND, AND ACTUALLY AFTER THE READING THAT I WAS DOING ON THE PARCEL, THE OIL, THE GAS WAS UNFORTUNATELY MOVING EAST AND ENDED UP IN THE SO RIVER.
AND THAT'S HOW FAR, NOT IN THIS DIRECTION.
IT WENT THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
BUT WILL THERE BE, WE UNDERSTAND.
WILL THERE UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THERE WILL THERE BE A STUDY DONE? THERE WAS STUDIES DONE BY DEC IN CONNECTION WITH THE REMEDIATION OF THE OLD GAS STATION PARCEL.
AND WHEN YOU SAY THE GARAGE AND THE, THE, IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE GONNA BE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T HEAR TOO WELL AND I COULDN'T SEE THE PIC, THE GARAGE AND THE MAIN OR THE ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE.
THAT WAS ALSO IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORS ON CLOONEY.
DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER CURB CUT TO TAKE AWAY PARKING ON CLOONEY AND TRAFFIC ON CLOONEY.
SO THEY ASKED THE APPLICANT TO MOVE IT AROUND THE CORNER, WHICH THEY DID.
AND THEY, AS YOU HEARD THE BOARD SAY IT DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THAT TIME AND IT WAS ACCEPTABLE.
NOW THE TWO FAMILY HOME THAT'S EXISTING ON NAPE PLACE, THERE WAS A SIGN, NO PARKING FROM HERE TO CORNER.
MM-HMM
THERE ARE MULTIPLE CARS THAT GO AROUND THE, THE CORNER.
SO THAT REALLY, THE VILLAGE HAS TO PUT A SIGN BACK UP, NO PARKING FROM HERE TO CORNER.
IT'S A, THE SIGN IS TAKEN DOWN.
AND THEY'RE PARKING ON THE CURB ON THE SIDEWALK.
AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME AROUND, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR CARS HIT, WHICH I BELIEVE ONE WAS RECENTLY SAFETY COUNSEL.
I WOULD, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A SIGN THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AND GOT REMOVED, I WOULD JUST LET THE MANAGER W HAVE, I'LL CHECK THE, I'LL CHECK OUR CODE BOOK 'CAUSE OUR CODE BOOK HAS EVERY SINGLE SIGN IN IT.
WELL, I MEAN, MAKE SURE OLD I'VE LIVED, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
IT NEEDS TO GO BACK AND I'LL CHECK THAT FOR YOU.
AND YOU REMEMBER THEY DID BUILD THE PARKING IN THE BACK TO TRY TO GET THIS CARS TO TRY TO GET THE CARS OFF THE STREET.
THAT PARKING LOT IS BEING USED FOR CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS AND CONSTRUC.
SO HE WILL, HE WILL CHECK ON THAT ALSO.
SO I MEAN, WE ARE ALL GOOD NEIGHBORS.
I'VE LIVED ON THIS STREET, WE ALL LOOK OUT FOR, BUT WE WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO WHOEVER MOVED INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE HOUSE IS DEVELOPED.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT OUR COMFORT AS RESIDENTS HINDERED.
I'LL UH, I'LL LOOK UP THE SPILL RECORD ON NYC'S DATABASE.
I CLEAN PETROLEUM SPILLS OF LIVING AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW EVEN IF THERE THE SIGN, BUT JUST COME AND SAY YOU CANNOT MAKE THAT TURN.
IT BLOCKS YOUR VISION WHEN ALL THE CARS ARE PARKED GOING AROUND THE UNDERSTOOD.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? OKAY.
SO I WOULD SAY, UM, THE MAIN, THE MAIN ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT IS THE, UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE LOT LINE.
DO, DO FOLKS HAVE A STRONG FEELING THEY WANNA WEIGH IN AT THIS POINT ON THAT? UM, DO WE WANNA KEEP IT AS IS OR DO WE WANNA RECOMMEND THAT IT GET CHANGED? THE CHANGE SOUNDS COMMONSENSICAL? YEAH, IT DOES.
THE CHANGE BACK TO GOING STRAIGHT A STRAIGHT LINE.
AND IT CAN STAY WITH THE ANGLE THAT IT'S GOT.
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WAS THAT MEANS THAT THE NAPER LOT IS TOO SMALL AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE GRANTED.VARI, THEY NEED VARIANCES ANYWAY.
THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE.
IT ELIMINATE, IT'S IN DIFFERENT, YOU ELIMINATE ONE BUT YOU GET ANOTHER, IT JUST SWAP BASICALLY.
A STRAIGHTER LINE MAKES SENSE BECAUSE PROBABLY NO ONE'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE LITTLE WEDGE AND IT'S GONNA BECOME AS YOU DON'T SPACE.
IS THE APPLICANT OKAY WITH SO, SO THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE RETRAIN YEAH.
SO NOW I MEAN IT, WELL MAKE IT AT THE ANGLE, BUT HAVE IT GO ACROSS, CONTINUE THAT ANGLE STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDO THE ZONING TABLE FOR US.
I THINK WE MAY HAVE ONE OF THOSE ENUMERATIONS.
SO IF YOU COULD REVISE THAT, UM, AND GET IT BACK TO THE VILLAGE AND, UM, WE NEED IT BY THURSDAY FOR NEXT MONTH, SO, OKAY.
UM, WE NEED IT FOR A WEEK FROM JULY.
AND, AND, AND SO RECALCULATE THE VARIANCES FOR US.
UM, AND IN THIS, THIS WILL BE A CASE WHERE WHEN WE GO IN FRONT OF THE SONY BOARD, IF THEY HAVE THE SAME FEELING THAN BEFORE, WE CAN SAY THAT THIS WAS, THIS BOARD WILL NOW DOES MEMOS TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO IF YOU GIVE, IF YOU GET THIS BOARD THE REVISED PLAN, THIS BOARD WILL THEN DO A MEMO TO THE ZONING BOARD EXPLAINING WHY.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
IT'S NOT A, NOT IT, THIS ONE IS A COMPLEX QUESTION.
THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT YOU ARE, WE HAVE NO ISSUES CHANGING THE PLAN AND DOING THAT.
JUST DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GO TO FRONT ZONING BOARD AND THEN THEY SAY NO.
WELL WE CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT WHAT THE ZONING BOARD IS GONNA SAY, BUT WE WILL RECOMMEND TO THEM YES.
THAT THEY, THAT THAT YOU GO WITH THE OTHER.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SEE, HOPEFULLY IT GOES WELL WITH THE ZONING BOARD OVER FIELD.
WELL, NO, THEY'VE GOTTA COME BACK.
THE REVISED, YOU COME BACK HERE WITH A REVISED PLAN SO YOU CAN DO YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE CAN GO FOR, WE DON'T YES, YOU CAN, BUT YOU'RE GONNA COME HERE FIRST ANYWAY AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE NEW VARIANCES.
SO PHYSICALLY WE'LL BE HERE FIRST.
SO WE STILL, YOU'LL BE BACK HERE NEXT MONTH.
YEAH, WE, WE WILL MAKE IT SO YOU DON'T LOSE A MONTH BECAUSE THE ZONING BOARD MEETS AFTER PLANNING.
SO THEY CAN SUBMIT THE REVISED PLAN MM-HMM
BUT YOU HAVE TO GET INTO WITH THE REVISED VARIANCES, DO MAILING, WE CAN SAVE THEM NEXT.
[V. DISCUSSION ITEMS]
SO FINALLY WE HAVE TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS, BOTH REFERRALS FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF PROPOSED ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.THE FIRST ONE IS AMENDMENTS TO THE A DU PROVISIONS OF THE CODE.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE LINDA SUMMARIZE THE CHANGES AND THEN WE CAN MAKE OUR, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY TO ASK YOU AGAIN, BUT NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WE CAN'T JUST HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.
UM, COULD YOU MICROPHONE PLEASE? THAT'S ALL.
UM, SO I'M GONNA HAVE LINDA SUMMARIZE THE CHANGES AND THEN WE CAN MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS FIRST ONE.
SO, UM, THIS CAME OUT OF, UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
DISCUSSION BY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE WHO MADE A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND THEN SOME DISCUSSIONS AT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THAT LED TO THIS PROPOSED, UM, AMENDMENT.
UM, THAT DOES A NUMBER OF THINGS, SOME PROCEDURAL, SOME SUBSTANTIVE.
SO I WILL SUMMARIZE THEM FOR YOU.
THE, THE FIRST MAIN THING IS A CHANGE IN TERMINOLOGY FROM THE USE OF ACCESSORY APARTMENTS TO THE USE OF THE TERM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, ANOTHER WAS JUST A REARRANGEMENT TO, UM, TAKE IT OUT OF THE SECTION WHERE IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND IN THE R 20 SECTION AND MAKE IT A STANDALONE SECTION THAT DEFINES, UM, WHAT THE RE WHAT THE RULES ARE AND WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
SO WE START, WE CHANGE THE DEFINITION, WE DELETE THE DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY APARTMENT, PUT IN A NEW DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
UM, WE IN THE R 20 DISTRICT, WE NOW JUST STATE THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, ARE A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE, UM, SUBJECT TO THE ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT.
THE BORDER SECTION, NOTHING CHANGED EXCEPT FOR SOME REFERENCES THAT HAD TO CHANGE FROM ACCESSORY APARTMENT TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND SOME NUMBERING.
SO IT'S HERE, BUT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO LOOK AT IT 'CAUSE NOTHING'S
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SUBSTANTIVE CHANGED IN IT.UM, THEN WE HAVE THE NEW SECTION, UM, UNDER SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS THAT DEALS WITH THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
SO THE STATEMENT OF PURPOSES IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE CODE TODAY.
THE, UM, WHERE IT LISTS WHERE ADUS ARE PERMITTED HAS BEEN EXPANDED.
WE LIST ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE IDEA WAS THAT THEY ARE PERMITTED IN ANY DISTRICT WHERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE PERMITTED.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE MR 1.5, THE MRO, THE MRC.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, YOU CAN APPLY FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT INSTEAD OF JUST BEING IN THE R 75.
UM, AND THEN A LOT OF THIS IS THE SAME ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS THE OWNER HAS TO LIVE IN.
ONE OF THE UNITS, UM, CAN BE IN A PRINCIPAL BUILDING OR AT A CONFORMING ACCESSORY BUILDING.
UM, WE TOOK THE PROCEDURE, IT WAS VERY MINGLED TOGETHER WITH PROCEDURE AND REQUIREMENTS BEFORE, SO WE SEPARATED IT.
SO WE NOW JUST SET FORTH THE PROCEDURE.
UM, WE, I THINK THIS WAS AN ADDITION.
IF IT'S A DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, WE SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE THAT THEY PROVIDE THE GRADING AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND UTILITIES.
WE JUST HAD THAT ON THE ONE ON LINCOLN.
UM, SO IF THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING, YOU NEED TO SEE ALL OF THAT.
IF THEY'RE BUILDING AN A DU WITHIN A STRUCTURE, YOU DON'T NEED ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO
NOW YOU'LL RECALL A LOT OF THE ONES THAT COME TO YOU NEED A WAIVER FOR PARKING OR A WAIVER FOR THE SIZE OF THE UNIT OR A WAIVER FOR SOMETHING IF IT NEEDS NO WAIVERS.
IF IT MEETS ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS, IT CAN BE ISSUED THE PERMIT ADMINISTRATIVELY AND DOES NOT HAVE TO COME TO THIS BOARD.
IF IT HAS TO REQUIRE, IT HAS TO PROVIDE THEIR REQUIRED PARKING IS TO MEET THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, THEN IT'S JUST DONE THROUGH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IT.
EXCEPT THAT'S A CHANGE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T, WITH THE LAST CHANGE IN THE A DU LAW, IT DIDN'T MATTER IF IT NEEDED WAIVERS OR NOT.
IT'S ONLY IF IT WAS NEWER OR GOT COMPLAINTS THERE.
THEY'RE, THEY, THEY CHANGED IT.
NOW THAT, THAT TO ADD WA A WAIVERS BACK INTO IT.
NOW WE ALWAYS HAD THE WAIVERS NO, NO, NO, NO.
THROUGH ME ADMINISTRATIVELY INSTEAD OF NO, THAT WAS RENEWALS.
I MISSED THOUGHT YOU READ THIS BE NOTHING UNTIL IT'S LIKE THREE MONTHS AGO.
THEN I READ IT
UM, UM, THE ONE THING, HOWEVER THAT WAS ADDED IN ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IS THAT NOTICE HAS TO BE GIVEN IF IT'S GONNA BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, FIRST NOTICE HAS TO BE GIVEN TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET.
THAT WAS EXPANDED FROM 100 MM-HMM
UM, AND IF SOMEONE ADVISES OF AN OBJECTION WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE MAILING OF THE NOTICE, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SHOULD FORWARD IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IF SOMEBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A CONCERN, IT'S NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT, IT COMES TO YOU AND YOU CAN SORT OF EXERCISE YOUR DISCRETION.
UM, AND ANY APPLICATION THAT NEEDS A WAIVER HAS TO COME TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DISCRETION THERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, OR TWO OF YOU REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE CHANGED THE PROCEDURE ON RENEWALS WHERE THEY WERE ADMINISTRATIVE.
BUT, UM, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS TO SEND NOTICE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY 100 FEET.
UM, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS EXPANDED IT TO 300.
UM, WE MADE A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE IN THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP PR OWNERSHIP PROVISION.
SO IF THE NEW OWNER WANTS TO CONTINUE THE A DU USE, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE NOTIFICATION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY HAVE TO SIGN SOMETHING SAYING THEY'RE AWARE OF THE LAWS AND, AND THE RESTRICTIONS.
AND THEY'LL REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE.
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE NOTICE WITHIN 90 DAYS.
AND THEN THAT ALLOWS THEM TO KEEP IT ONCE THAT NOTICE IS GIVEN.
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UM, THE SAME.SO IT'S LIKE IT WAS A NEW MM-HMM
UM, IF THEY DO NOT GIVE THE NOTICE WITHIN THAT 90 DAYS, THE PERMIT IS DEEMED REVOKED SO IT'S NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN REAPPLY.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO KEEP TRACK AND, AND KNOW WHO IT IS.
SO THEY HAVE 90 DAYS TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER CHANGES ARE JUST, CAN I JUST ASK THAT THE, THE LOGIC OF THAT, IS IT THAT SIMPLY THAT THEY WANT THE OWN, THE NEW OWNERS TO KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS AROUND IT? YEAH.
AND, AND THEY WANT THE, THE VILLAGE TO HAVE A RECORD OF WHO THE OWNER IS AND MM-HMM
'CAUSE SO OTHERWISE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL BUY A HOUSE AND, AND THEY'LL TAKE IT OUT AND THE VILLAGE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW.
SO, UM, IT'S MORE A RECORD KEEPING THING.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S JUST A NOTICE THING.
UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THE CHANGES HERE ARE JUST AGAIN, CLEAN UP, UM, OF THE CODE TO REFLECT THESE CHANGES AND ON THE, ON THE NOTICE TO NEIGHBORS WHERE THERE'S A, WHERE NO WAIVERS ARE REQUIRED AND THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL MM-HMM
WHAT IS THE, THE REASONING BEHIND GIVING NEIGHBORS THAT SORT OF UNILATERAL ALMOST POWER TO, WELL, THEY DON'T BRING THINGS TO A HALL, REFER TO THIS BOARD, AND THEN WHAT WOULD THIS BOARD BE LOOKING AT IF THERE'S, IF NO WAIVERS REQUIRED AND THERE WAS THE BASIS FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE GRANT.
SO THERE WAS SOME CONCERN BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, UM, THAT PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THEY KNOW THAT SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T KNOW THAT MIGHT CAUSE A PROBLEM.
UM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY IN THERE AND IT WAS SOME CONCERN WITH THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THAT SOME OF THE TRUSTEES FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT, UM, IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
I JUST DON'T LIKE THE SMITHS, SO I'M GONNA RIGHT.
BUT BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S DENIED.
THE SMITHS CAN'T GIVE YOU A GOOD REASON FOR DENYING IT.
AND IF YOU FIND THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE AND APPROPRIATE AND WON'T CAUSE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT, THEN YOU APPROVE IT.
WAIT, BUT SO AND SO THESE ARE FOR WHERE THERE'S NO WAIVERS, BASICALLY.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AS OF RIGHT.
UNLESS A NEIGHBOR OBJECTS YES.
I REALLY DON'T, DON'T LIKE THAT EITHER.
I MEAN, THAT CAN BE YOUR COMMENT TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES I THINK'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THERE'S AN EXISTING MECHANISM, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY CAN GO TO THE, THE VILLAGE AND, AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERN.
WELL, BUT THEY BUT, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DENY IT.
IT'S IF YOU GET, YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT MEANS THAT THE CODE SAYS YOU JUST BOUGHT A SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND AS LONG AS YOU CONFORM WITH THE ZONING, YOU DON'T, YOUR NEIGHBORS DON'T GET TO SAY YOU CAN'T BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON YOUR LOT.
SO WHAT THIS A DU LAW IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IS MAKING IT AN ALLOWABLE USE UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
AND NOW THEY HAVE THIS LIKE LITTLE BACKDOOR WAY OF HAVING NEIGHBORS SAY, EH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PERMITTED, I'M STILL GONNA REQUIRE IT TO GO THROUGH REVIEWS.
SO I'VE SEEN LEGISLATION IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS AND IT'S NOT JUST MR. JONES CAN SAY, I DON'T LIKE THE SMITHS, I'M GONNA MAKE THEM GO THROUGH MORE.
MR. JONES HAS TO SAY FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, I OBJECT TO THIS AND IT SHOULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IF HE HAS A SUBSTANTIVE REGION, LIKE YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE SEPTIC SYSTEM'S FAILING IN HIS BACKYARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LEGITIMATE POINT, IT NEEDS A, A MORE THOROUGH REVIEW.
BUT THE POINT OF I JUST DON'T LIKE THE GUY, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
SO, BUT THEN YOU'RE PUTTING THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S A LEGITIMATE YEAH.
BUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN JUST WHAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE, WHICH IS JUST AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO KICK THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AT THAT POINT.
WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS, UNLESS THEY HAVE A LEGITIMATE ISSUE, WHICH IS FAIR, LIKE, SO MAYBE THAT'S THE THRESHOLD.
WHAT'S A LEGITIMATE ISSUE YOU HAVE TO BE, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? SO, I MEAN, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO SIMPLE NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT FOLKS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS OR PRIVATE OWNERS THIS ESSENTIALLY ALMOST REGULATORY RIGHT.
SO I HAVE A MARITAL, UH, QUESTION.
THE, THE WAY IT'S NOW DEFINED, A A DU HAS TO BE ON THE SAME LOT MM-HMM
MY MARITAL SITUATION IS WE HAVE A ACCESSORY GARAGE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE.
MY WIFE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RENOVATE IT AS AN A DU TO MOVE HER MOTHER UP FROM FLORIDA
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BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE SAME LOT.SO THAT DEFINITION OF LOT, UM, BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.
SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ACCESSORY USE WITHOUT A MAIN USE ON ITS OWN LOT.
BUT SO MY, MY GARAGE IS ILLEGAL.
I TOLD YOU YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESSORY USE TO AN ACCESSORY USE
BUT THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE A DU LAW IS TO PUT THE ZONING BOARD, CREATE A DU
'CAUSE IT ACTUALLY PREEXISTS THE ZONING RESOLUTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IF IT'S A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, WHY CAN'T IT BE A, AN ACCESSORY A DU TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE? IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ACCESSORY TO YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE BECAUSE AN ACCESSORY USE HAS TO BE ON THE SAME LOT.
IS IT A SEPARATE LOT? YEAH, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
IS IT A SEPARATE IT'S A SEPARATE LOT.
BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF YOU JUST GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ASK.
THANKS YOU FOR SOLVING MY MARITAL QUESTION.
WANNA HAVE, HAVE TO GIVE YOU A RIDE HOME TONIGHT.
SO I, UM, I WANNA SEE IF, YOU KNOW, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT WHAT WE JUST RAISED, WHICH I THINK WE COULD GIVE THAT FEEDBACK TO THE BOARD.
EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS SENSIBLE COMMON SENSE.
I I I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICS BEHIND THIS, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE, THEY'RE GONNA OPEN THIS UP TO NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT USED TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, IT'S BEING A THING.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO POLITICALLY WELL THEY'RE ALREADY ALLOWED.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN YOUR R 10 NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE CONSIDER THEIR BACKYARDS, NATIONAL PARKS, UH, WHICH WE'VE HEAR HEARD HERE BEFORE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE'S, THAT'S JUST A GUY WHO LIVES IN AN APARTMENT.
UM, YOU'VE NEVER SEEN MY FRONT, MY FRONT LAWN MADAM.
ANYWAY, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE POLITICS BEHIND IT.
I I JUST THINK THERE THAT THAT PORTION OF IT, UM, IS POORLY WRITTEN.
IF THERE IS A, I FEEL LIKE THERE, INSTEAD OF JUST GETTING, GIVING PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO, TO PUT HAS TO BE A LEGITIMATE THERE HAS AND SOMETHING RELATED TO THE PROPERTY.
AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF MECHANISM THAT THEY CAN, THAT THEY CAN APPEAL TO.
MAYBE IT'S, PERHAPS IT'S NOT YOU, BUT I, WHAT, WAIT, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S BAD POLICY MAKING TO HAVE IT COME DIRECTLY TO US BECAUSE ONE PERSON COMPLAINED EVEN IF THEIR COMPLAINT IS LEGITIMATE, LIKE PER, I MEAN, COULD GO TO THE VILLAGE MANAGER.
I MEAN, IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT WITHOUT THIS BEING THE MECHANISM BECAUSE IT FEELS, WELL THE IDEA IS THAT STAFF SHOULDN'T BE, WHETHER IT'S THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING THAT TYPE OF DETERMINATION.
WELL, CAN WE THEN WHAT'S FRIVOLOUS AND WHAT'S NOT? RIGHT.
I MEAN, WELL THEN CAN, CAN, IF, IF THEY WANNA MAKE THIS PROVISION THAT'S, THAT'S INTERPRETATIONAL RIGHT, RIGHT.
CAN THEN, CAN THEY, CAN THEY COME UP WITH A LIST OF NON FRIVOLOUS OF NON FRIVOLOUS THINGS THEN IF, AND IF ONE OF THOSE THINGS APPLIES, THEN, THEN THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU CAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THIS ABILITY, THEY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST CHECK A BOX.
DO NEIGHBORS HAVE A RIGHT TO REFER ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED WHATEVERS TO, TO BOARDS IN OTHER SITUATIONS WITHOUT THE BASIS UNDER THE VILLAGE CODE? OR WOULD THIS BE THE FIRST TIME? I YOU MEAN ON RENEWALS? I MEAN, NO, HE JUST MEANS IN GENERAL, LIKE ANY MATTER.
YOU MEAN LIKE ANY MATTER, IS THERE A PRECEDENT FOR THIS TYPE OF, IF SOME APPLICATION MEETS ALL THEIR REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, DIDN'T NEED TO GO TO A BOARD.
GRANTED, ARE THERE, ARE THERE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE A NEIGHBOR UPON RECEIVING NOTICE CAN SAY, WELL, I DON'T LIKE IT.
I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD WEIGH IN NOW.
ONLY LIKE IF THEY DISAGREE WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE, UNLIKE THE ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT, THEY CAN, BUT THAT'S AN APPEAL OF AN INTERPRETATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
IT'S NOT THEIR OWN OPINION THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE APPLICATION.
I MEAN, WHICH I JUST THINK IS BAD PRECEDENT.
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YEAH.THERE ARE A LOT OF I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE ALL SAYING.
SO I WILL, AGAIN, THE HEARING'S NOT UNTIL THE SECOND.
SO NEXT WEEK I WILL DRAFT SOMETHING UP.
BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE THEY'RE JUST NOT THINKING WHAT IT MEANS FOR US AS D OPINIONS
BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S COMING TO US.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD STRONGLY SAY THAT WE ALL, I MEAN IT'S UNANIMOUS.
ALL FOUR OF US DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.
THAT THIS IS THE ONE SECTION THAT YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.
WE'RE TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THIS ONE JUST FEELS WRONG.
THAT THIS PROVISION IS, I THINK IT'S JUST NOT WELL WRITTEN.
I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT.
I'LL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF IT'S FRIVOLOUS OR NOT.
IF THEY WANT TO CHALLENGE ME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE THEM IN THE ZONING BOARD.
SO I'LL, I'LL DRAFT SOMETHING UP AND CIRCULATE IT FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
THAT'S THE ONLY, SO, AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE OTHER MODIFICATIONS.
WE HAVE ONE MORE MATTER AND ONE OTHER THING.
SO THE SECOND, THE SECOND ONE IS THE LAW.
UM, PATRICK SUMMARIZED FOR US LAST MONTH MAKING PROCEDURAL CHANGES.
WE DISCUSSED THIS AND MADE, HAD NO COMMENTS LAST MONTH OR HAD LINDA.
CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE CAN MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT YET NOTHING'S CHANGED.
AND IT, IT IS JUST THE PROCEDURAL METHOD OF ADDRESSING APPLICATIONS THAT COME.
WE'RE ELIMINATING, UM, THE BUILDING, THE BURDEN ON THE BUILDING AND DEPARTMENT.
IT'S GONNA BE OUR JOB TO DO THAT FOR YOU.
SO IT'S THE SAME PROCESS, DIFFERENT FOLKS DEALING WITH IT.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR PROCEDURES AT ALL.
NO, I THINK IT'S REALLY HOW IT GETS HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE BEHIND THE SCENES YEAH, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE.
I I ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT.
AND THE REASON IT'S BEFORE YOU IS, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THERE'S LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT NEED TO GO INTO CODE THAT SPEAKS TO THE OLD WAY.
IT'S SO PATRICK, RICHARD, YOU GOOD WITH IT? OKAY.
SO WE RECOMMEND THAT ONE WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, WHAT DO WE, I DON'T THINK WE GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE LAST ONE.
DO WE LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK ON DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
I MEAN, IT'S YOUR OPTION WHETHER YOU TAKE IT, BUT NO, NO.
AND THEY WILL, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEY WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T MAKE THE DECISION ON THIS.
YOU'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE JUST, WE ARE JUST HERE TO DISCUSS IT.
I DIDN'T KNOW I DIDN'T WANT, I HAVE ONE MORE THING.
UM, PATRICK, YOU SIGNED UP FOR IT, BUT I, I DO WANNA JUST MENTION THIS.
SO THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN SESSION HERE.
UM, WE, SO WE, WE WERE INVITED BY THE, UM, PACE ANGELES.
SO PACE IS HOLDING A, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING LEADERSHIP TRAINING PROGRAM IN THE FALL IN NOVEMBER.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT'S NOT LIKE ONE OF THESE ONE DAY LIKE WORKSHOPS.
IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A POTENTIAL SITE.
IT COULD BE JUST A DUMMY SITE, BUT A SITE IN THE VILLAGE THAT THE, UM, INSTRUCTORS AT PACE WOULD TAKE A GROUP OF, UM, ELECTEDS AND, AND DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF, OF, UM, ANALYZING FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY, ALL THE OTHER PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUES AND, AND REALLY COME UP WITH THE CONCEPT OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, SITE OF PROJECT.
AND SO THEY'RE INVITING, THERE'S, UM, SUBSIDY FOR, UM, SEVERAL PEOPLE TO GO.
AND I PUT OUT THE CALL, I THINK I, I, I HEARD FROM PATRICK
SO FOR TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF ANYONE, I KNOW IT'S ON WORKDAY, SO LIKE I CAN'T DO IT.
WHAT DAY IS IT? IT'S THREE FRIDAYS IN NOVEMBER.
I JUST, I'M NOT SURE I CAN MAKE IT WORK QUICK.
AND I AM, I AM PROBABLY A PRESENTER.
BUT I'M ASKING THE, I I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED.
AND CAN WE RECOMMEND A SITE IN, IN THE VILLAGE? YES.
BUT FIRST, FIRST, JUST TELL ME SO YOU HAVE A TIME AGAIN, YOU WOULD TAKE AGAIN THIS MARITAL FIGHT.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS? I DON'T, IT'S USUALLY, IT'S LIKE NINE 30 TO THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
AND I'LL TELL YOU TOUGH, IT'S A, IT'S AN EX, THEY RUN A TERRIFIC PROGRAM.
SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT, YOU LEAVE AN EXPERT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT IN THE TOPIC.
WHICHEVER THEY'RE DEALING WITH, WITH, IT'S A REALLY WELL RUN PROGRAM.
AND THEY, THEY TRY TO GET LIKE FOUR MUNICIPALITIES TO PARTICIPATE.
I WAS EMAILING WITH THEM TODAY AND EACH ONE COMES IN WITH A SITE.
SO THE HASTINGS GROUP WILL DISCUSS WHAT SITE YOU WANNA, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON AND STUDY.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY IT'S GREAT IS THAT
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THE YONKERS GROUP WILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL LEARN ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON YOUR PROBLEM.THEY CHOSE, THEY ADDRESS THE PROBLEM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT THAT WAY.
WHY DIDN'T WE DO THE YONKERS WAY? SO IT'S, THEY ENTER MIXING OF APPROACHES TO DEALING WITH, IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL THING.
EACH DAY TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, THIS TALKS ABOUT THE FINANCING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU DO THE SITE, HOW, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO DEVELOP A SITE, DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.
ARE THESE THE SAME PACE PEOPLE THAT ADVISE THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE? IT'S THE LAND USE CENTER.
I DON'T, IT'S THE LAND USE LAW CENTER.
IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE TOGETHER WITH HOUSING ACTION COUNCIL.
SO IT'S HOUSING ACTION COUNCIL DOES THIS COMBINED WITH THEM? I'M INTERESTED, LET ME JUST CHECK MY CALENDAR.
YEAH, I NEED TO KNOW BY TOMORROW BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TO FORWARD ANY NAMES.
I WILL LET PATRICK'S NAME, JUST LET ME KNOW BY TOMORROW.
AND THEN I'LL, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I THINK A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE ARE ALREADY SIGNED UP.
THE VILLAGE MANAGER, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER AT LEAST ONE TRUSTEE.
SO, SO ANYWAY, SO IT'S GONNA BE A NICE GROUP AND I WISH I COULD DO IT, BUT I CAN'T.
SO, UM, ALL SO YOU'LL LET ME KNOW WE'VE GOT PATRICK MINUTE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS ALL THREE WEEKS.
YEAH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO RUN THAT ONE BY THE BOSS.
YOUR, YOUR OFFICE HAS PARTICIPATED? YEAH.
NO, PETER HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? OUR NEXT MEETING IS UM, SEPTEMBER 18TH BY THE WAY.
SO WE GOT, SO YOU'RE BOTH NOT HERE SEPTEMBER 18TH.