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WELCOME TO THE[I. ROLL CALL]
PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF, UH, DECEMBER 12TH, 2025 OF THE VILLAGE OF HASTINGS ON HUDSON BOARD.WHAT DID I SAY? DECEMBER 18TH.
UM, MARY ELLEN, WOULD YOU DO ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRPERSON.
PRESENT BOARD MEMBER RICHARD BASS IS ABSENT.
BOARD MEMBER DANIEL BERKOVITZ.
BOARD MEMBER ANGEL CHEN IS ABSENT.
ALTERNATE BOARD MEMBER THOMAS SPIRE.
PRESENT ALTERNATE BOARD MEMBER? RICHARD MARTIN.
VILLAGE ATTORNEY LINDA WHITEHEAD.
HERE BUILDING INSPECTOR CHARLES MOZZI HERE.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE CAN APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER BOARD MEETING.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVED AND WE SECONDS IT SECOND.
OKAY, PATRICK, AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[III. OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS]
HAVE AN OLD PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA.UM, AND IT'S THE VIEW PRESERVATION ADVISORY IN SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION OF RTB WASHINGTON LLC FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, CREATING ONE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH 20 PARKING SPACES AND A PUBLIC ACCESS NEWS ON TWO EXISTING BUILDING LOTS LOCATED AT NINE DASH 17 WASHINGTON AVENUE.
AND SAID PROPERTIES IN THE MRC ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.70 DASH 48, DASH 37 AND 38 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAP.
UM, AS MANY PEOPLE MAY KNOW, UM, THIS MATTER HAS BEEN ON OUR AGENDA SEVERAL TIMES AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED SOME ADDITIONAL MATERIAL.
UM, OUR REVIEW AT THIS TIME IS REALLY FOCUSED ON INITIALLY ON THE VIEW PRESERVATION AND WOULD LIKE, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT THE ADDITIONAL MATERIAL IN THE SUBMISSION? SURE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR OF BOARD MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS JACOB AMIR FROM ZIN AND STEIN, PLEASED TO BE HERE ON, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
SO AS, UH, MADAM CHAIR YOU'VE MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN ON SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, I'M JUST GOING TO CUT DIVE INTO THE, TO THE VIEW PRESERVATION FOCUS ON THE SOUTH BUILDING.
AND I BELIEVE THE UPDATED WAS PROVIDED TO YOUR BOARD ON THE SOUTH BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED ALL OF THE BULKHEADS, UM, TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE COMMENTS BY THE BOARD, BY THE PUBLIC LOOKED AT IT.
SO I BELIEVE, AND THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THAT UNDER 2 95, 82 C OF YOUR VILLAGE CODE, THE VIEW PRESERVATION CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET, UH, BY THE REMOVAL OF THE BULKHEAD BULKHEAD.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I I, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS IN THAT REGARD, UM, I, I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOUR BOARD WILL ACCEPT THE VIEW PRESERVATION HAVING BEEN SATISFIED AND THE RECOMMENDATION GIVEN TO THE ZONING BOARD ON A REFERRAL.
I'D LIKE TO JUST MENTION QUICKLY THE VARIANCES THAT ARE ULTIMATELY GONNA BE ASKED OF THE ZONING BOARD IF AND WHEN YOUR BOARD REFERS IT OUT.
SO LEMME JUST TAKE A PAUSE AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT ME TO GO TO, I, UH, I THINK JUST TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT WE NORMALLY DO, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU JUST PUT THE, UM, IMAGE UP AND SHARED IT WITH THE AUDIENCE AND BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, WHAT THE, THE REVISED PLAN LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN, THIS IS A CONCERN OF OURS THAT WE'VE BEEN MENTIONING.
SO NOW THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED IT IN THIS WAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL GREAT TO, UM, GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN WE'LL GO ON.
SO LEMME LET CHRISTINA, THANK YOU.
I'M CHRISTINA GRIFFIN, PRINCIPAL OF CJ STUDIO ARCHITECTS.
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE REVISED DRAWINGS THAT WE SUBMITTED.
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TYPICALLY THIS COMES UP, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU SURE SOMETHING'S HAPPENING.WAIT, THAT IS NOT THE IMAGE THOUGH.
CAN YOU HEAR? MAYBE, IS THERE, THERE WE GO.
MAYBE WE COULD WALK BY HER SCREEN AND HAVE FLASHLIGHT SCREEN
YEAH, YOU TRY DUPLICATING YOUR SCREEN ON YOUR SCREEN.
AND HOW DO I DO THAT?
ALSO IT'S IN THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN H IT'S USUALLY TWO.
WHAT'S THIS? CORD? NOT NO, I HAVE IT IN MY HAND.
IS LOCAL GOVERNMENT AT WORK? YEAH.
YOU MAY WANNA JUST UN THANK WHAT'S, SO I THINK WHILE WE'RE WAITING WE COULD, PATRICK, WE COULD, WE COULD DISCUSS THE ENGINEER'S REPORT, UM, SINCE IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
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CHRISTINE, YOU WANNA UPDATE? YEAH.
SO WHY DON'T WE USE THE TIME WHILE THEY'RE STILL FIGURING THAT OUT, LET'S USE THE TIME.
UM, I WAS GONNA ASK OUR VILLAGE PLANNER TO, UM, PROVIDE US WITH ANY COMMENTS, UM, SUMMARIZE THE MEMO, ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU HAVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
LINDA SPOKE TO DOUG SO SHE CAN ANSWER.
YEAH, I SPOKE, I SPOKE TO DOUG.
SO, UM, HIS COMMENTS ARE BASICALLY THE, THE SAME COMMENTS THAT HE'S HAD, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY, UM, DESIGN DETAILS MM-HMM
UM, ON THE BIGGER ISSUE NOW THAT THEY'VE, HE'S COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'VE SIZED THE DRAINAGE CORRECTLY, PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, NONE OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT AT THIS POINT.
IF WE'RE JUST AT THIS POINT OF SETTING THEM TO THE ZONING BOARD, WHEN THEY EVENTUALLY COME AT, COME BACK AND THEY'RE FINALIZING THE SITE PLAN, SOME OF THESE CAN BE ADDRESSED, BUT HE SAID THEY'RE ALL, NONE OF THEM ARE GONNA CHANGE THE SITE PLAN.
AND HE'S NOTED THAT THEY CAN BE HANDLED MANY OF THEM AT THE BUILDING.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, SO WE HAVE PROJECT MAGIC OF TECHNOLOGY.
I'M GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH OUR LATEST SET OF DRAWINGS THAT WE SUBMITTED SHOWING THE REMOVAL OF THE BULKHEADS ON THE, UH, SOUTH UNITS.
UM, I'M GONNA TAKE SHOW YOU, UH, OUR PRIOR SUBMISSION.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF THE SOUTH UNITS WITH THE BALL KITS.
UH, AND THIS, THE NEXT DRAWING IS WHAT WE SUBMITTED.
THIS IS THE REVISION SHOWING THE ELIMINATION OF THESE BULKHEADS.
AND INSTEAD OF, UH, STAIRS IN BULKHEADS TO THE ROOF DECKS, UH, WE'VE PROPOSED A FLUSH RETRACTABLE SKYLIGHT ACCESS DOORS.
UM, WE DID EXTENSIVE, UM, STUDY OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO SEE HOW WE COULD MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON VIEW AND AVOID BULKHEADS.
WE FINALLY CAME UP WITH SOME IDEAS THAT WE THINK WILL WORK FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT, UH, ELEVATION WITHOUT, UM, THE BULKHEADS I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN GREEN IS THE EXISTING OR THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY PROPOSE BUILDING IS NOT, IS VERY SIMILAR IN HEIGHT.
IT'S JUST ABOUT, UH, JUST SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING TWO STORY BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
AND THIS, THIS SLIDE IS JUST SHOWING OUR PRIOR ELEVATION OF THE SOUTH UNITS ABOVE AND THEN DOWN BELOW THE CURRENT ELEVATION WITHOUT THE BULKHEADS.
THIS IS OUR, UM, PLAN OF THE ROOF DECKS SHOWING, UH, THE STEER TO THE ROOFS.
BUT THESE STEERS ARE ACTUALLY BELOW A RETRACTABLE SKYLIGHT UNIT AND THEY ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE, UM, THE ROOF LEVEL.
THERE'S A SECTION HERE TO THE RIGHT JUST SHOWING THIS HOW THE SKYLIGHT UNIT WORKS.
UM, IT OPENS UP, UM, UH, WITH ELECTRONIC, UM, DEVICES.
UM, AND THIS IS A VIEW OF THE SKYLIGHT.
WE ARE PROPOSED FOR THESE UNITS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE ROOF.
UM, WE HAVEN'T MADE A FINAL DECISION ON THE ONE WE'RE USING, BUT THIS IS THE IDEA TO REALLY HAVE MINIMAL HEIGHT ABOVE THE ROOF.
UM, THIS IS A DETAIL SHOWING THAT ON ONE SIDE OF THE SKYLIGHT IT'S ONE FOOT ABOVE THE ROOF AND THE OTHER SIDE'S ONE FOOT FOUR INCHES.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW, UM, IMAGES HERE JUST SHOWING DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL SETTLE ON THE ONE THAT WE WANT FOR THE PROJECT AS SOON AS WE GET APPROVAL.
I ALSO HAVE UPDATED, UM, IMAGES OF THE, UH, VIEW PRESERVATION STUDIES.
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IS THE MOCKUP OF THE BULKHEAD THAT WE HAD SHOWN YOU PREVIOUSLY.I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THIS AS A COMPARISON WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
THE NEXT, AND THIS IS TAKEN FROM 4 87 WAR BURTON AVENUE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING WITHOUT A BULKHEAD.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW THAT WE HAVE SHOWING THE MOCKUP OF THE BULKHEAD WHERE OUR, FROM OUR PREVIOUS, UH, SUBMISSION, THIS IS TAKEN FROM 47 WAR BURTON ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THIS IS TO THE TOP OF THE RAILING ON TOP OF THE SOUTH UNIT BUILDING.
THIS IS A VIEW TAKEN FROM 43 45 OR BURTON OF THE MOCKUP OF THE BULKHEAD.
AND THIS IS A VIEW WITH THE BULKHEAD REMOVED.
THIS IS THE TOP OF THE RAILING OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AT THE SOUTH UNITS.
AND THAT IS THE EXTENT OF OUR PRESENTATION, UM, TO SHOW YOU THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE.
WE REALLY HAVE LISTENED TO YOU AND WE REALLY TRY TO GET, UH, A SOLUTION THAT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE THE ROOF DECKS, BUT ALSO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT ON THE VIEW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT WE APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION, I, UH, I KNOW THAT YOU ALSO MENTIONED SOMETHING IN YOUR SUBMISSION ABOUT ADDRESSING THE CONCERN ABOUT THE FURNITURE THAT MIGHT BLOW IN THE WIND.
SO IF YOU WOULD JUST DESCRIBE, UM, YOUR SOLUTION TO THAT.
THERE IS HURRICANE, UH, RATED RESISTANT FURNITURE AND THERE IS A, UM, OFFICIAL THAT HAS MENTIONED FOR THAT KIND OF FURNITURE.
AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS PLACED ON THE ROOF HAS FOLLOWS THOSE REGULATIONS PROBABLY BE IN THE HOMEOWNER'S AGREEMENT.
UM, THAT WAS HELPFUL, THANK YOU.
I I'M GOING TO, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION, UM, AS A BOARD, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I DO WANT TO INVITE, UM, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANNA SPEAK ON THIS MATTER TO, UM, SPEAK NOW.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE OATH GO.
AND PLEASE, UM, SIGN IN, SIGN IN.
UH, WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE TO, TO APPROVE THE VIEW.
UH, WE REALLY, WE REALLY WANT THIS PROJECT TO GO FORWARD AND WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT, IT, IT, IT'S BECOMING ACCEPTABLE TO MYSELF AND, AND MY CLIENT.
UH, WE THANK MR. CHANG FOR, FOR THE CONCEPTION THAT HE'S MADE.
AS FAR AS OBJECTS UP THERE, YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR HOMEOWNER'S AGREEMENT YOU WANT.
THINGS ARE GONNA GET BLOWN OFF THIS ROOF.
THE ROOF USE ITSELF IS, IT IS A PROBLEM.
UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER REALLY TO ME HOW HEAVY YOUR UMBRELLA STAND IS.
IT'S GONNA BLOW AROUND EE EVERY CHAIR.
EVERYTHING IS GONNA COME OFF THAT ROOF TONIGHT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 60 MILE AN HOUR GUSTS TONIGHT.
THAT STUFF'S GONNA COME UP ONTO MY BUILDING AND MR. KIRK CHART'S BUILDING.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REMAINING PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, WE'RE VERY ENCOURAGED BY BY EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED AND WE'RE ENCOURAGED BY THE PROCESS.
UM, I WANNA SAY ONE OTHER THING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS APPLICATION.
THIS ROOM AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER ARE WHERE ALL MEETINGS SHOULD HAPPEN.
THERE SHOULD NOT BE MEETINGS IN THE COURTROOM FOR VILLAGE TRUSTEE, FOR BOARD OF TRUSTEES, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ANYTHING.
THEY SHOULD ALL BE ON AN EQUAL FOOTING WITH EVERYBODY HERE AND IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
THE COURTROOM IS A PLACE FOR ADJUDICATION AND INTIMIDATION AND PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE TO GO AND STAND UP IN FRONT OF THE BENCH AND TRY TO SPEAK.
ALL MEETINGS SHOULD BE HELD IN THIS KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
UH, LOOKS LIKE, ALRIGHT, SO WE CAN DIVE INTO OUR DISCUSSION.
UM, THOUGHTS, UM, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT CHANGES? WELL, I GUESS I'LL START.
I, I'VE BEEN THE ONE, UH, TRYING TO PROD YOU TO USE THE
UH, THE, THE ONES YOU SELECTED ARE VERY SLICK AND THEY LOOK, THEY LOOK PRETTY COOL.
UM, AND IF THE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY ARE, UM, RATED FOR THIS USE AND IF THEY'RE DESIGNED WELL, I MEAN, I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING AND I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL, UM, MADE THAT CHANGE.
NO, I'LL JUST SECOND THE COMMENTS THANKING,
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UM, UH, THE, THE, UH, PEOPLE ON THIS PROJECT FOR CONTINUING TO WORK TO IMPROVE IT AND TO ADDRESS FEEDBACK THEY'VE GOTTEN FROM THIS BOARD.UM, I WENT ON THE RECORD THE LAST MEETING AND SAID I WAS PREPARED TO TO APPROVE IT WITHOUT THESE CHANGES.
WITH THESE CHANGES, IT'S BETTER.
UM, AND I'M ALSO MINDFUL OF THE COMMENTS OF RICHARD BASS WHO ISN'T HERE, UH, BUT WHO ALSO HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE BULKHEADS AND, AND I, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED THEM AND I THINK IT'S HIGH TIME WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE NOT APPROVING, I'M NOT APPROVING TO MOVE IT, MOVE IT ALONG TO THE NEXT PHASE.
I MEAN THAT, THAT EMPHASIZES MY POINT EVEN MORE.
WE HAVE, UM, UM, WE'RE AT A STEP WHERE, WHERE WE CAN, I CAN AT LEAST SAY IN GOOD CONSCIENCE WE CAN PASS IT OFF TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR, FOR THE OTHER BOARDS TO DO THEIR WORK.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO, TO OUR FINAL, IF THERE'S ANYTHING REMAINING, WE CAN STILL ADDRESS IT THEN.
BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO, UH, MOVE IT ALONG.
PERHAPS WHEN IT COMES BACK BEFORE US, AGAIN, IF WE DO MOVE IT FORWARD, WE CAN GET MORE CLARITY ON THE FURNITURE.
SOME SPECIFICS, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE PLANNING BOARD'S JOB TO REGULATE FURNITURE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL BETTER.
SO WE ARE NOT THE EXTERIOR DESIGN.
WELL, I THINK I DO WANNA, I DO WANNA CLARIFY THAT IT IS OUR ROLE TO, UM, CAREFULLY LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION AND ALSO OTHER SITE PLAN MATTERS.
AND SO, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S TAKEN A FEW MEETINGS IS PARTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT TOOK A WHILE FOR US TO GET THE RESPONSE THAT WE, UM, SOME OF US FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.
SO THAT I'LL, I'LL LET OTHERS SPEAK BEFORE I GIVE MY SUMMARY.
BUT ANYBODY ELSE COMMENTS? WELL, I THINK WITH RESPECT TO THE FURNITURE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE UPDATED DESIGN IS MUCH IMPROVED FROM A VIEW PRESERVATION PERSPECTIVE.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WITH THE FURNITURE.
YOU KNOW, WE RAISED THE SAFETY ISSUE LAST MEETING, BUT WE ALSO RAISED IT AS A POTENTIAL VIEW OBSTRUCTION ISSUE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE MOST RECENT SUBMISSIONS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE, THOSE VIEW LIES THAT YOU SHOWED A MOMENT AGO WITH THE, I THINK FROM A FIRST FLOOR VIEW WITH THE RED LINE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BULKHEAD COMES DOWN AND, AND THE VIEW IS NOT OBSTRUCTED.
BUT IF THERE WERE UMBRELLAS THERE, THERE WOULD BE I THINK A SIMILAR ISSUE POTENTIALLY.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE OR THE DECISION NOT TO MAKE CHANGES WITH THE FURNITURE FROM A VIEW PERSPECTIVE.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.
I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY, UM, CHARACTERIZES A DECISION ME TONIGHT ON THE FURNITURE.
I, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT SINCE IT'S COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD, UM, THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED LATER.
THERE'S GONNA BE ITERATIONS OF, OF IDEAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT AN UMBRELLA, FOR INSTANCE, THAT I, IF THAT'S NOT A FIXTURE, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CODE DEFINES THAT DIFFERENTLY AS OPPOSED TO A BULKHEAD, WHICH IS A FIXTURE.
AND, AND CERTAINLY, UM, AS WAS SAID, THERE ARE GONNA BE RULES IN PLACE.
LOOK, WE CAN'T, AS A MATTER OF PRACTICALITY, WE CAN'T AVOID EVERYTHING, RIGHT? I MEAN, SOME THINGS WILL HAPPEN.
I DON'T, I DON'T LIVE IN HASTINGS, BUT JUST AS BY WAY OF COMPARISON, I HAVE A, AN UMBRELLA ON MY DECK AND IT BLEW OVER.
I'M NOT, IT'S NOT ON THE ROOF, IT'S ON THE DECK.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE GLIB ABOUT IT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT JUST, THAT JUST HAPPEN FROM, FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF, UH, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
WILL THERE BE HURRICANE RAID? THEY CAN BE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED MORE THOROUGHLY AFTER IF AND AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD FOR, FOR THE, UH, VARIANCES YOU WANNA SPEAK.
HI, UH, NEIL DELUCA, PART OF THE OWNERSHIP GROUP OF RTB.
UH, JUST, UM, I THINK WE'RE NOT BEING, UH, CLEAR ENOUGH TO YOU GUYS AS TO WHAT, WHAT HURRICANE PROOF MEANS TO ME.
NO UMBRELLAS, NO PLANTS, CONCRETE FURNITURE.
WITH ALL THE RESPECT TO, TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A WIND OFF HUDSON AND IT'S MOVING CONCRETE, HURRICANE NORTH CAROLINA FURNITURE, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM.
HOWEVER, WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
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UH, BECAUSE WE HEARD YOU AGAIN TONIGHT, AS THIS IS MOVING ALONG, COME UP WITH A SERIES OF, UH, ALMOST LIKE, UH, WHAT WE'LL PUT IN THE HOA WHAT YOU CAN'T CAN AND CAN'T DO ON THE ROOF.CAN'T HAVE A LIVING, UH, PEPPER TREE UP THERE IN THE SUMMERTIME.
'CAUSE IT GROWS IN A BLOCK OF VIEW.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A A, UM, AN UMBRELLA OF ANY KIND.
UM, AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE, UH, WE'LL AGREE TO PUT IT AS, AS PART OF OUR FINAL APPROVAL DOCUMENTS FROM THIS BOARD, WHICH WILL THEN AUTOMATICALLY BECOME PART OF OUR OWNERSHIP OF OUR HOA DOCUMENTS.
SO EACH AND EVERY PROSPECTIVE BUYER WILL KNOW WHAT HE AND SHE CAN AND CAN'T DO ON THE ROOF.
UM, NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S IN A CONDITION OF OUR APPROVAL, BUT IT'S A CONDITION OF THE HOA DOCUMENTS.
UM, WE, WE UNDERSTAND YOU AND WE'LL MAKE IT BETTER.
AND BEFORE YOU GIVE US FINAL APPROVAL, WE WILL SUBMIT TO YOU A SERIES OF DO'S AND DON'TS AND MAYBE SOME CUT SHEETS ON THE ACTUAL FURNITURE TYPES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND LINDA, CAN I ASK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR GUIDANCE, THIS ISSUE WITH ROOF FURNITURE, BOTH FROM A VIEW PERSPECTIVE AND A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN, WHEN IS THE RIGHT POINT IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS BOARD TO SPEAK TO A CONDITION OR RESTRICTION THERE? OR IS IT NOT FOR THIS BOARD? IS IT SOME OTHER, FOR SOME OTHER VILLAGE? SO IF IT'S STRICTLY ON A VIEW ISSUE, I MEAN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON VIEW PRESERVATION.
THE ZONING BOARD ACTUALLY APPROVES YOUR PRESERVATION, UM, UNDER THE CODE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA SAY TO THE ZONING BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT OFFERED AND WE THINK THAT UMBRELLAS SHOULD BE PROHIBITED, UM, THEY CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION, YOU COULD ALSO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF YOUR SITE.
UM, AND, AND, AND THE RESTRICTIONS WITH RELATION TO THE FURNITURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A CONDITION THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO RECORD A DECLARATION, WHICH INCLUDES THESE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, ONLY HURRICANE PROOF FURNITURE, NO UMBRELLAS.
SO AS, AS THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING, THAT WOULD THEN BE IN A RECORDED DOCUMENT AND ALL PROPERTY, ALL UNIT OWNERS WOULD TAKE TITLE SUBJECT TO THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND THEY COULD BE ENFORCE BY THE CONDOMINIUM.
IT COULD ALSO BE ENFORCED BY THE VILLAGE.
YOU REALLY WANT THEM TO SELF ENFORCE IT.
UM, AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO SAY THAT A FURNITURE SHOULD EXTEND ABOVE THE PARAPET? THAT I THINK WOULD ADDRESS BOTH, BLESS BOTH VIEW ISSUE AND ALSO I THINK THEY SHOWED, UM, SOME OF THINGS.
HOW HIGH IS THE RAILING? UH, IT'S FOUR, IT'S THREE FEET, SIX ABOVE THE DECK.
SO WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UM, MOST FURNITURE IS BELOW THAT, BUT WE CAN CONSIDER, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT AS A RESTRICTION.
UH, WE SHOWED A SECTION JUST SHOWING THE COUCHES BELOW.
BUT UM, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE FURNITURE I THINK.
UH, BUT I THINK MOST FURNITURE WOULD FIT UNDER, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE NO HIGHER THAN THAT.
AND I BELIEVE THE RED LINE THAT THEY WERE SHOWING IS THE RAILING, RIGHT? YES.
SO, UM, THAT'S NOT THE ROOF, THAT'S THE ACTUAL RAILING.
SO IF THE FURNITURE IS BELOW THE RAILING HEIGHT, THEN IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
YEAH, I HAVE THE SAME THOUGHT AS MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER.
IF THERE WAS A RESTRICTION THAT THERE CAN BE NO FURNITURE ABOVE THE RAILING HEIGHT, THEN WE, THEN WE HAVE SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT FURNITURE IS NOT GONNA CREATE AN ADDITIONAL OR ANY VIEW OBSTRUCTION.
AND I THINK IT ALSO ADDRESSES THE SAFETY ISSUE, UM, BROADLY MM-HMM
AND REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, FURNITURE ISN'T GONNA TAKE UP THE WHOLE SPACE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, UMBRELLAS, GRILLS, THINGS THAT GET HIGHER AND YEAH, THEY CAN BLOW AROUND, BUT ALSO THEY COULD POTENTIALLY OBSTRUCT A VIEW IN WAYS THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR SENSE OF RIGHT NOW.
SO WE DID ALL THIS WORK TO GET TO, TO, I THINK A REALLY GREAT PLACE AND I'D HATE FOR SOME SORT OF DRIFT ON, YOU KNOW, ISSUES OF WHAT CAN BE UP THERE TO UNDO ANY OF THAT IMPORTANT WORK.
WELL, I, I'LL SAY THAT, UM, I, I DEFINITELY FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT NOW THAT IT ADDRESSED, UM, THE CONCERNS WE'VE BEEN RAISING.
UM, I THINK THAT IT IS AN ELEGANT SOLUTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE, WE WOULD WANT TO, UM, WHEN WE REFER THIS OVER TO THE ZONING BOARD, MENTION OUR, UM, WANTING TO HAVE THESE STIPULATIONS AROUND WHAT FURNITURE GOES UP THERE, WE COULD INCORPORATE INTO OUR PROCESS WHEN IT COMES BACK, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO I, I THINK WE CAN TALK WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS WE COULD HAVE IT ACTUALLY BE IN OUR REFERRAL AS AN ITEM TO JUST MENTION MAKE THEM AWARE.
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YEAH, I ALWAYS THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL WHEN WE'VE PUT UM, A LOT OF GOOD WORK INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, MODIFYING THE PROJECT ALONG THE WAY TO REALLY INFORM THE ZONING BOARD OF THAT PROCESS AND, AND WHERE WE LANDED SO THAT THEY GET THAT CONTEXT AND STARTING FROM SCRATCH, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR DELIVERY.
YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST ALSO COMMENT THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT'S DONE REALLY COMMENDABLE WORK IN FINDING A SOLUTION TO SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T SEE AS AN OBVIOUS SOLUTION.
SO THAT WAS REALLY SOMETHING KUDOS FOR IN THE INTERVENING PERIOD OF TIME.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FURNITURE ON THE ROOF, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BEYOND OUR REALM OF EXPERTISE, BUT NOT FOR THE PLANNERS IN NORTH CAROLINA, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO I THINK IF, IF THE APPLICANT SPENDS THIS TIME LOOKING AT STANDARDS AND, AND METHODOLOGIES BY WHICH THOSE FOLKS DEAL WITH THIS ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS, I THINK WE CAN GET SOME BETTER RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW YOU DEAL WITH STUFF ON ROOF, UM, IN IN HURRICANE PRONE AREAS, IN HURRICANE PRONE AREAS.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD JUST MENTION, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF A BUDDY ISSUE IS I'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN THESE SORT OF BULKHEADS BEFORE.
UM, SO ANY BUILDING CODE ISSUES WITH THE STAIRWAYS AND SO FORTH ALSO WOULD OFFER THAT SOMETIMES SKYLIGHTS LEAK, THEY'RE NOT THE BEST PIECE OF THING TO PUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROOF.
SO THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED, WHAT, HOW IT'S WEATHERPROOFED, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT'S LEAKY, HOW DO THEY FIX THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? NOW THEY BUILD SOMETHING AROUND IT BECAUSE IT LEAKS, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF EX UH, WORK BETWEEN CHRISTINA AND BUDDY TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, BY THE TIME IT'S ALL BUILDING FROM STUFF, BUT SORT OF ISSUES OF CONCERN, IT'S THINKING ABOUT WHAT COULD BE AN UNFORESEEN ONE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DEAL WITH WHEN THEY COME BACK FROM ZONE.
AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION, NOT WHICH ONE THEY'RE DOING.
AND WE, UH, AND INTEND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL SATISFIED AND OF COURSE, UM, THAT WE SATISFY, UM, CHARLES MOZZI, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THE STATE CODE AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN TAKING SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS FOR THIS TYPE OF ACCESS.
SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE, UM, APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY TO COME BACK AND YOU ARE GONNA GIVE US THE LIST OF VARIANCES.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AT THIS STAGE, UM, FOR YOU TO RUN THROUGH THAT.
AND WE CAN GET IT VERIFIED BY OUR, UM, TEAM HERE.
BUT
UM, SO THERE ARE, UM, SIX VARIANCES THAT THE, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THE FIRST IS UNDER YOUR CODE 2 95, 2 1 C.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE NORTH SOUTH MEUSE 17, A RANGE OF 17.5 TO 21.5 FEET ON THE EAST WEST MEUSE 15 FEET AND ON THE SIDE 12.4 FEET.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR A PARKING VARIANCE.
WE'RE 35 SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND 20 ARE PROPOSED.
UM, A VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING AISLE WIDTH WHERE 25 FEET IS REQUIRED AND 24 IS PROPOSED.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A NOMINAL ONE.
UH, ON, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, WEST SETBACK, 17 FEET IS REQUIRED AND WHAT IS PROPOSED IS, UH, ZERO FEET TO THE RETAINING WALLS AND DECK 5.3 FEET TO THE WEST UNIT AND ONE FOOT TO THE SOUTH UNIT.
AND ON THE EAST SETBACK, 13 FEET IS REQUIRED.
UM, AND WE'RE PROPOSING 12 FEET TO THE ELEVATOR WALL, 10.7 TO THE EAST UNITS, ONE FOOT TO THE EAST PATIO, 13.4 FEET, WHICH IS COMPLIANT TO THE SOUTH UNIT.
SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE THERE.
AND THEN ON THE WEST, UH, THE BULKHEAD ON THE WEST BUILDING JUST A, A HEIGHT, UM, 3.5 FOOT, UM, VARIANCE.
SO THOSE ARE THE SIX THAT, UH, THE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE GO TO THE ZBA, YOU SAYING BULKHEAD ON THE WEST BUILDING? ON THE WEST BUILDING, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE SOUTH BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH.
ANY COMMENTS FROM, UM, OUR PLANNER IN TERMS OF HOW WE SUMMARIZE IT? FEEL GOOD? WELL, I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE.
I, YOU'RE COM THOSE ARE, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THEM.
I WILL BE SENDING IT TO YOUR TEAM PRIOR TO PUTTING IN, UH, GOING
SO, UM, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH REFERRING THIS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL?
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NEXT STEP.THAT'S THE NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS.
UM, SO WE CAN ASK OUR, UM, PLANNER AND ATTORNEY TO DRAFT THE MEMOS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL AS WE DISCUSSED, UM, SUMMARIZING OUR DELIBERATION AND, UM, OUR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, AT THIS STAGE IN TERMS REFERRING THIS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL ON VIEW PRESERVATION.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A MOTION AND A VOTE.
UM, SO, UM, WE NEED A, SO WE NEED TO HAVE A, UM, JUST ON THE VIEW PRESERVATION.
A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO RE OKAY.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, UM, A REFERRAL OF THIS APPLICATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF THE FUTURE? THAT'S THE LEAST I CAN DO.
OKAY, SO IT IS NOW REFERRED AND I I BELIEVE WHEN, CAN YOU REMIND US WHEN THE NEXT MEETING IS THAT THEY BE ABLE TO GO TO? SO THE ZONING BOARD DOESN'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY 22ND.
SO YOU ACTUALLY MEET AGAIN BEFORE ZONING BOARD DOES, UM, WHICH MEANS YOU COULD ADDRESS SECRET.
SO I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MENTION THAT WE'LL, UM, ASK FOR A VILLAGE PLANNER PATRICK TO UM, PREPARE UH, A DOCUMENT FOR US TO DO, UM, SECRET DOCUMENTATION FOR NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND WE'RE OFF, WE'RE OFF TO THE NEXT STAGE
AND JUST SO THAT THE APPLICANT IS, SO THAT WE, SO THE NEXT MEETING, UM, YOUR BOARD WOULD TAKE UP, UH, A NEGATIVE NEGATIVE DECK COM CONSIDERATION.
[IV. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS]
UM, WE HAVE ONE OTHER AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING AND IT'S, UM, NOT REALLY A NEW ONE.UM, IT'S THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION OF EDWIN BALDWIN AND GILLIAN ANDERSON FOR THE REALIGNMENT OF AN EXISTING LOT LINE.
OUR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 73 AND 75 WASHINGTON AVENUE SAID PROPERTIES IN THE MR DASH 1.5 ZONING DISTRICT.
IT IS ALSO KNOWN AS SBL 4.70 DASH 51 DASH 14 ON THE TOWN OF REVER TAX MAPS.
PRIOR APPROVAL WAS GRANTED AND, UM, HAS EXPIRED.
UM, I'LL JUST SAY THIS, THIS, YEAH, THIS CAME BEFORE US AND WAS APPROVED, UM, QUITE QUITE A WHILE AGO, I THINK IN 23.
UM, AND UH, I'LL JUST SAY SUMMARY, IT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD LOT LINE CHANGE, WHICH AS I MENTIONED, WE APPROVED, UM, AND THE APPROVAL IS EXPIRED.
SO, UM, WE ARE BEING ASKED TO RE-APPROVE WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
IT'S NOT AN EXTENSION 'CAUSE IT'S TOO LATE FOR AN EXTENSION, BUT IT'S A RE-APPROVAL OF WHAT EXACTLY WHAT WE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
DO WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO, IS THE APPLICANT HERE, DO YOU WANNA SAY THE APPLICANT IS HERE? I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, I MEAN WE DON'T NEED TO FORWARD, WE'LL REMEMBER IT STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WELL, YOU WEREN'T ALL HERE, BUT THERE, THERE WAS A, JUST A VERY SHI SLIGHT SHIFT OF THE LOT LINE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
YEAH, I CAN JUST SAY I, I REMEMBER THE PROJECT.
AND BOTH, BOTH OWNERS ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
I WALKED AT THE END OF THE DAY.
YEAH, AS LONG AS YOU'RE STILL FRIENDS, IT'S THE LEAST TOM CAN DO.
UM, SO DOES ANYBODY OTHER THAN THOSE COMMENTS, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, SO IF THE BOARD'S PREPARED, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND YOU HAVE TO JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY.
IS THERE ANYONE, THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? OKAY, SO NOW WE CAN
RICHARD, WHO SECONDS IT I'LL SECOND.
YOU HAVE A YEAR THIS TIME? YEAH.
COME ON NOW ACTUALLY YOU HAVE MAKE ME CRACK THE WHIP.
YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS AND THEN YOU NEED EXTENSIONS.
OH, HOLD ON MALCOLM, HOW DO YOU HAVE WALK TO THE PODIUM OR YOU HAVE TO USE THE HANDHELD PLEASE AND SAY WHO YOU ARE.
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OKAY.SORRY TO BE JUST FOR THE RECORD.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS EVENING, BUT I'M SORRY.
DO YOU NEED, UH, SEPTEMBER MINUTES APPROVED? IT WAS ON, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE.
WE, WE WE ONLY HAVE THREE OF YOU.
THERE'S ALWAYS LIKE A THAT'S ONE.
BUT, BUT YOU NEED, AND SHE'S NOT HERE.
YOU NEED THE RIGHT CONSTELLATION FOR THOSE MINUTES.
WE GOT OUR WHITE WHALE DONE LAST TIME.
THINK YOU MEAN THE ONES THAT WERE A YEAR.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WHILE, BUT OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON JANUARY 15TH.
UM, I WILL, I HAVE A CONFLICT THAT EVENING, SO I WILL DESIGNATE SOMEBODY TO, UM, CHAIR IN MY PLACE.
AND IN THE MEANTIME I WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY HOLIDAY.
AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? DON'T MOVE.