* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Call to Order] [00:00:05] A CALL TO ORDER THE APRIL 23RD MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. UM, ARE ALL THE MAILINGS IN ORDER? I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY MY STAFF, SIR, THAT ALL THE MAILINGS ARE IN ORDER. EXCELLENT. IN THAT CASE, UH, WE HAVE TWO CASES TODAY. UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS HEAR FROM WHOEVER'S REPRESENTING EACH APPLICANT. UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC HERE, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT. UH, AND THEN WE WILL OH, GOOD. AND THEN WE WILL, UM, DISCUSS IT AND COME TO A VOTE. UM, WHEN YOU COME UP TO SPEAK, PLEASE JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. SO, UH, [Case No. 05-26 ] WE'LL GET STARTED WITH CASE NUMBER 5 26. ERIC AND EVA. OOH, I'M NOT GONNA DO THIS. RA UH, 50 HAMILTON AVENUE. GOOD EVENING. HELLO. HELLO. HI. AND NOW THE MOST EXCITING PART OF THE MEETING. THE DONGLE. . . YES. THERE WE GO. THAT'S PROMISING. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. HELLO, MY NAME IS EVA RA, AND I AM THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. AND, UH, UM, I AM REPRESENTING MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY FOR, UM, OUR OWN RESIDENCE. UM, 50 HAMILTON AVENUE IS A HOUSE, WHICH IS, UH, UM, LOCATED ABOUT MIDBLOCK BETWEEN MOUNT HOPE AND, UH, UM, ROSEDALE. UM, I PROVIDED NUMBER OF, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW THE STREET AND THE SURROUNDING HOUSES. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS SOMETIMES NOT EASY TO CAPTURE THE SITUATION, AND I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF YOU PERHAPS HAD A CHANCE TO GO DOWN THE STREET AND, AND GET A BETTER SENSE. UM, THE HOUSE THAT WE HAVE IS A, UH, UM, ONE STORY HOME BUILT IN ABOUT 1956. UM, UM, IT HAS TWO ISSUES WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE. ONE IS, IT IS A, UH, UM, IT IS ON A SMALLER SIZE. IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL THREE BEDROOM HOME. AND SINCE IT WAS BUILT IN 1956 AND HAVEN'T HAD MUCH WORK DONE SINCE THEN, UM, IT DOES SHOW A NEED FOR MAINTENANCE. UM, THEREFORE, UM, I STARTED, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, WAYS TO, TO ADDRESS THESE TWO ISSUES. AND, UH, UM, I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN THE APPROACH. UM, LOOKING AT THE SIDE PLAN, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE HOUSE HAS AN L SHAPE. THE, THE SCHEMATIC ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. AND, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, UM, A ONE STORY HOUSE, UM, THE WAY IT WAS BUILT, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ARE ALREADY PROTRUDING INTO THE REQUIRED SETBACKS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN HATCH RECTANGLE, THAT IS THE, UM, REQUIRED BUILDING BUBBLE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FRONT IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THAT. AND THEN THE BACK IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THAT AS WELL. UM, THE PROJECT, UM, CONSISTS OF MINOR CHANGES TO THE FRONT, UM, KEEPING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AS A ONE STORY RESIDENCE, ONE STORY STRUCTURE. THE BACK OF THE HOUSE HAS THE SECOND FLOOR ADDED ONTO IT, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE US WITH TWO ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEMATIC, THIS PART HERE IS THE TWO STORY. AND BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT MATCHES THE FIRST STORY, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE REAR SETBACK VARIANCE, UH, WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY THE RED RECTANGLE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE. UM, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BASICALLY REQUIRES A VARIANCE FOR AN ALTERATION OF A PREEXISTING, NON-COMPLIANT SITUATION. AND, UH, UM, WHAT I ALSO DID WAS I ADDED A SMALL, SORT OF A BALCONY, UM, AT THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE FOR SORT OF JUST DECORAT DECORATIVE PURPOSES. AND, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A, UH, UM, SIDE, UM, [00:05:01] SETBACK. AND, UH, UM, WE'RE EXTENDING SLIGHTLY INTO THE SIDE SETBACK AS WELL. WE HAVE A, UM, A DECK, AND THE DECK IS APPROACHED BY STEPS. YOU GO UP THE STEPS, YOU'RE ON THE DECK. THE DECK IS TINY. AND, UM, I'M ADDING A SMALL BUD, UH, MUDROOM ON THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH MAKES THE, WHICH FURTHER EATS INTO THIS SMALL EXISTING DECK. AND THAT'S WHY THE STEPS WERE MOVED FROM HERE TO THERE. AND, UH, UM, AND THEN THERE IS A NEW LANDING ON TOP OF THESE NEW STAIRS, UM, WHICH PROTRUDE COUPLE FEET INTO THE REQUIRED SIDE SETBACK. UM, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, UM, BOARDED BY THESE VILLAGE STEPS THAT RUN FROM HAMILTON TO JEFFERSON. AND THEN THE NEXT NEIGHBOR IS SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATELY FOR AWAY. SO, UM, THAT IS BASICALLY THE SITE PLAN. NOW, IF WE GO THROUGH THE FLOOR PLANS, WE WOULD SEE THE EXACT LAYOUT OF, OF THE CHANGE. UH, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS CONTINUE TO THE ELEVATIONS. UM, THESE ARE THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS. AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE CURRENT ONE STORY HOUSE WITH A BASEMENT AND THE SCHEMATIC HERE. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY SLOPES UP TOWARDS THE BACK. AND, UH, UM, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY ONLY A FEW FEET ABOVE THE TERRAIN. IT'S KIND OF PRACTICALLY SUNKEN INTO THE SLOPE. UM, SO FOR A SECOND, I'M GOING TO GO HERE AND, UH, UM, JUST SORT OF, UM, ZOOM IN ON SOME OF THESE PICTURES. THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE OF THE, AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, YOU SEE THAT IT'S BUILT LITERALLY INTO THE SLOPE. THERE IS A LITTLE PASSAGEWAY BEHIND IT, BUT THE, THE ROOF IS JUST A FEW FEET ABOVE THE BACKYARD. UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE IT IN THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, WHERE WAS THE ONE I'M TRYING TO GET TO, UM, THAT HERE'S OUR HOUSE, WHICH IS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, A HAMILTON ADDRESS. HERE'S THE SLOPE THAT CONTINUES UP AND UP AND UP. AND HERE IS THE NEXT HOUSE ON JEFFERSON, WHICH IS RIGHT ABOVE US. AND, UH, UM, THEN YOU CAN SEE HOUSES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, WHICH SIMILARLY ARE BUILT ON TOP OF THAT HILL AND ARE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS HOUSE, WHICH IS WHY IT FEELS VERY COMFORTABLE TO ADD THE SECOND STORY BECAUSE, UM, IT, UM, FITS WITH THE, WITH THE EXISTING, UM, TERRAIN. UM, SO THEN WHEN WE GO INTO BACK INTO THE ELEVATIONS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS ONE STORY BECOMES A TWO STORY, WHICH WOULD LOOK A LITTLE CONCERNING IF YOU DIDN'T SORT OF LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT TOLL PART OF THE, UM, HOUSE IS ACTUALLY WELL WITHIN THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES. AND, UH, UM, AND WAY BELOW, UM, EVERYBODY ON JEFFERSON. UM, IN FACT, I MADE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL SKETCH SINCE I SUBMITTED THE DRAWINGS. AND, UH, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, MASSING FROM THE BACK, IF YOU GO UP THOSE VILLAGE STEPS AND YOU LOOK DOWN STANDING ABOUT HALFWAY UP THE STEPS, YOU CAN SEE THAT BOTH OF THESE HOUSES ARE YOUR TYPICAL, THIS IS A ABOUT TWO STORY HOUSE. THIS IS ABOUT A THREE STORY HOUSE. AND, UH, UM, THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY OF THE SAME HEIGHT AND THE SAME BULK. UM, THE REASON WHY THE ROOF IS DESIGNED TO BE SLOPED IN THIS DIRECTION IS THAT IT GIVES US A, UH, A POSSIBILITY TO, UM, POTENTIALLY CONSIDER INSTALLING SOLAR PANELS. AND THIS IS THE ORIENTATION TO THE, TOWARDS THE SOUTH AND THE WEST, WHERE, WHERE THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE DONE. UM, HERE'S ANOTHER SCHEMATIC WHICH ADDRESSES THE FRONT YARD. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN GREATER DETAIL, UM, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE VARIOUS, UH, FRONT SETBACKS FOR THE DIFFERENT HOUSES ON HAMILTON. AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME HOUSES WHICH HAVE A SIMILAR FRONT SETBACK. SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE STREET, LIKE THIS [00:10:01] ONE AND THIS ONE, AND THIS ONE, AND THIS ONE. THESE ARE ALL CLOSER TO THE STREET. UM, AND THEREFORE SORT OF BUILDING UP ON THAT EXISTING FRONT SETBACK SEEMS PERFECTLY REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UM, AFFECT THE CHARACTER OF THE BLOCK. UM, AND UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT IN A NUTSHELL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. SURE. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON THE BOARD TO START? I, I HAVE ONE TO START. UM, THE IMAGE THAT YOU JUST SHOWED WITH THE SETBACKS AND THE GREEN SQUARE. YES. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO SEE. AS WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THAT WITH THE PROPOSED VARIANCES, OR IS THAT WITHOUT THE VARIANCES? SO, UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT, THIS IS CURRENT HOUSE. YES. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, THERE IS THE, THE, THE FRONT SETBACK IS IN FACT, IN FACT UNCHANGED, EXCEPT FOR ONE EXCEPTION. UM, SEE, HERE'S A, UH, UM, PROPOSED FIRST FLOOR, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, THERE IT IS, THAT'S THE RED LINE REPRESENTED ON THE, ON THE STREET SCHEMATIC. AND THEN THIS PART HERE IS UNCHANGED. THIS PART HERE IS OUT LIKE ABOUT 15 INCHES. AND THEN THIS PART, AGAIN, IS THE SAME AS HERE, EXCEPT THERE IS THIS LITTLE KIND OF JUST LIKE A LITTLE MINI DECK TO HAVE SOME PLANTINGS AND SOME SHRUBS OR FLOWERS OR TOMATOES OR SOMETHING THAT THE DEER CANNOT EAT. UM, SO IT'S JUST LIKE A MINI, UM, EXTENSION OF THAT FRONT LINE. IS THAT AN ENCLOSED SPACE OR IS THAT NO, IT'S, IT'S A BALCONY. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE ELEVATION, YOU SEE IT'S THIS PART HERE. SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THAT'LL CHANGE SLIGHTLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE LESS OF THE SETBACK ON THE CORNER THAT WILL HAVE THE BALCONY? UH, CAN THAT IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THAT, THAT SQUARE THAT YOU SHOWED? NO, IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THAT SQUARE. IF I WAS GOING TO REFLECT IT IN THAT SQUARE, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS, UH, UM, YOU WANT, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS YOU WOULD SEE THE LITTLE SHAPE OF THE BALCONY. SORRY. YOU WOULD SEE IT, RIGHT. YOU WOULD SEE IT RIGHT THERE, THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE SHAPE RIGHT IN THAT CORNER, WHICH WOULD, UM, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. AND WITH THE BALCONY, WILL IT BE SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU HAD POINTED OUT THAT ARE, HAVE A SMALLER SETBACK? OR IS IT EVEN IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT. YES. LESS, LESS THAN, LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NEIGHBORS, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT. UM, IT'S ALSO, UM, THIS HOUSE IS, YES, IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS, IT'S BASICALLY SET ON TOP OF A, UH, UM, THE FRONT LAWN IS REALLY, UM, A MINI, UM, SORT OF A MINI HILL. AND SO, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT HERE, IT, IT HAPPENS RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S SORT OF, YEAH. A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE WAY. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND ONE MORE QUESTION, AND THEN I'LL SEE IT. I DON'T WANNA, I WANT OTHERS TO HAVE A CHANCE. YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE, TO THE BACKSIDE. YES. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SECOND FLOOR, YES. I'M, AS I'M ASSUMING POTENTIALLY YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR LIGHT. HAS THERE BEEN NOTICE TO ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS? AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY LETTERS FROM ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS IS HERE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I WILL ADDRESS THAT. AND THE LIGHT DOES COMPLY. OH, IT DOES. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. SO THERE'S NO VARIANCE REQUESTED FOR COVERAGE, FAR OR HEIGHT, CORRECT. COMPLIANT. CORRECT. THEY'RE ALL COMPLIANT, YES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION, WHICH IS THAT THE NEIGHBORS ABOVE US WILL HAVE NO CHANGE TO THEIR LIGHT BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPH, UM, IT'S REALLY JUST USEFUL TO GET A GOOD LOOK AT IT. UM, THIS HOUSE HAS A MAIN FLOOR HERE, SECOND FLOOR ABOVE. IT HAS A DOUBLE HEIGHT BASEMENT, AND IT HAS A FOUNDATION, WHICH IS A BASEMENT HEIGHT. SO IT'S ABOUT FIVE STORIES HIGH, ALL TOLD, WHICH IS NOT UNIQUE IN THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, MANY OF THESE HOUSES, SEVERAL OF THESE HOUSES ON [00:15:01] JEFFERSON ARE THE SAME. IF YOU SEE THIS HOUSE HERE, IF THIS HAS A SECOND FLOOR ADDED TO IT, IT IS STILL BELOW THE NEIGHBOR'S BASEMENT. THANK YOU. WELCOME. AS A QUESTION ON THE, THE MINI DECK. YES. UM, HOW MUCH WILL IT ENCROACH ON THE SIDE VERSUS THE FRONT? HOW, HOW IS THE NEW EXTENSION ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE ADJACENT TO YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? YES. SO WE HAVE A, UH, GENERAL GENEROUS, UH, SIDE SETBACK. THE CURRENT SETBACK THERE IS 27 FEET. AND, UM, THE PROJECTION IS, UM, MAKING IT ABOUT, UH, THREE FEET LESS. SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20, UM, FOUR FEET. UM, SO IT, IT PROJECTS ABOUT, I WOULD SAY, FOUR FEET TO BE SAFE. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT SIDE? NO, IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THAT SIDE. IT'S, IT'S COMPLIANT BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIDE SETBACKS RUNS WHERE THE DOTTED LINE IS. YES. AND SO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS HERE IS WELL INSIDE THAT SETBACK. IT'S CLEAR OF THE SITE SETBACK, YES. BUT ENTIRELY WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. YES. IT'S ENTIRELY IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, BECAUSE THE FRONT YARD RUNS RIGHT HERE. SO THEN THIS HAPPENS IN THE FRONT. UM, I WAS HOPING TO HAVE NICE LARGE WINDOWS, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR CORNER OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEN THERE IS SOME CONCERN WITH THE PRIVACY. SO, UM, THE BALCONY IS A WAY OF HAVING SOME PRIVACY WITHOUT HAVING TO CUT OFF THE FULL HEIGHT WINDOWS, WHICH BRING IN THE DAYLIGHT. UM, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SETBACK ALONG THE VILLAGE STAIRS. YES. ON THE NORTH SIDE. YES. UM, IT'S A TWO FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT. YES. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO NOT BEING AN ENCROACHMENT. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE? OKAY. I WILL, UM, REFER BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE SIDE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSE, UM, IT WOULD BE THIS HERE. UM, OKAY. AS SOON AS I ZOOM IN, I LOSE IT. UM, RIGHT HERE. UM, SO I HOPE YOU CAN SEE IT. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, THIS IS THE DECK, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN ALSO SEE IT HERE. HERE'S THE DECK, AND HERE ARE THE STEPS THAT GO UP. AND, UH, UM, THE DECK IS SMALL, AND WITH THE ADDITION OF THE MAD ROOM, IT'S SHRINKING. SO THE IDEA IS TO SIMPLY SWAP THE STAIRCASE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SAME WALL, BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXISTING FRAMED WALL, WHICH BASICALLY HOLDS THE STEPS. AND, UM, IF WE, INSTEAD OF APPROACHING THE STEPS LIKE THIS, IF WE CONTINUE ANOTHER THREE FEET AND JUST WALK UP THE HILL ON THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE SLOPE, WHICH IS THERE, THEN WE REGAIN THE STAIRCASE SPACE AND WE CAN ADD IT TO THE DECK. BUT WE'RE A COUPLE OF FEET INTO THE, UM, DECK. UM, THERE IS AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION IF THIS WAS NOT A DECK, BUT IF IT WAS A PATIO, IF IT WAS A STRUCTURE ON GRADE, IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD ACTUALLY NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE. I JUST, YES, IT WOULD, EVEN AS A PATIO, A PATIO CAN'T, CAN'T PROTRUDE INTO A SIDEBAR SETBACK OR ANY SETBACK. OKAY. SO THEN MAYBE THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION. IT LOOKS ON THE SUBMITTED PLANS LIKE THE STAIRS, THE PROPOSED NEW STAIRS ARE STILL WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA. AM I YES. UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECT. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE, YES. SO THE DECK GOES BEYOND THE NEW STAIRS, UM, AND INTO THE REQUIRED SETBACK BY TWO FEET. IT'S A 12 FOOT. I HAVE TO REALLY, UM, GO BACK TO THAT SIDE PLAN TO, UH, RIGHT THERE. YEAH. IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT PLAN, ACTUALLY, NO, IT'S, THEY, THEY ARE BOTH ALIGNED. SO THEY ARE BOTH PROTRUDING, BUT BECAUSE THESE STEPS ARE MEANT TO BE ON GRADE. RIGHT. SO THEN, UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ANY WALKWAY ON GRADE IS, UM, STAIRS ON GRADE WOULDN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE. NO. OKAY. JUST THE DECK ITSELF. YEAH, THERE. SO THE STAIRS ARE ALIGNED, UH, ALIGNED WITH THE, UH, DECK, BUT BECAUSE THE STAIRS ARE A WALKWAY ON GRADE, THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THE VARIANCE. UM, BUT THE SITE, UM, EXTENSION OF THE DECK DOES, IS THE EXISTING STAIR COMING OUT. THE EXISTING STAIR IS COMING OUT. AND, AND SO [00:20:01] IS THAT JUST A DRAFTING ERROR THAT THE STAIRS ARE SHOWN REMAINING? UM, YES. OKAY. YEAH. UM, THE STAIRS ARE, UM, SHOWN CORRECTLY ON THE FLOOR PLAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE ARE THE EXISTING STEPS, AND HERE THEY ARE NOT. INSTEAD THE DECK IS LARGER. AND THEN HERE ARE THE PROPOSED STEPS AND THE PROPOSED LANDING, WHICH IS THE PART THAT REQUIRES THE SIDE VARIANCE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT, THAT HELPS. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO MAYBE JUST BUILDING ON THIS ONE, I THINK, UH, OF THE, OF THE FOUR VARIANCES, PERSONALLY, I'M, I'M LESS CONCERNED WITH THE CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT I THINK THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SO FAR, THE, UH, I THINK YOU CALLED IT THE TERRACE ON THE, INTO THE FRONT YARD OR THE PORCH OR PATIO. AND THIS ONE ARE THE ONES THAT I, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT MORE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE DO, THE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS TO UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW TO APPLY THE RULES WHEN THE SITE IS IRREGULAR. BUT THIS IS A FULL 10,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE. YOU HAVE A FULL A HUNDRED FEET OF WIDTH. THERE AREN'T, UM, THE SAME SORT OF COMPELLING REASONS. WE SOMETIMES SEE WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE VARIANCES, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE SITE IS UNDERSIZED, IT'S DOESN'T MEET ONE OF THE WIDTHS. SO EVEN IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS ONE, THE PART THAT ENCROACHES IS NOT SO MUCH THE USABLE PART OF THE DECK, AT LEAST AS THIS IS LOOKING. AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU MADE THAT DECK BACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE, AND, UH, I THINK PART OF WHAT'S DOING, PART OF WHAT'S MAKING IT COME AS FAR AS IT IS, IS IT'S MATCHING THE WIDTH OF THE STAIR. BUT IF YOU PUT IN A THREE FOOT BY THREE FOOT LANDING AT THE TOP OF THE STAIR, THAT WAS PART OF THE STAIR SYSTEM, AND THEN STEP FROM THAT LANDING, UM, UP IN THIS PICTURE, YOU MEAN LIKE THAT? YEAH, YEAH. THEN YOU, YOU WOULDN'T BE LOSING ANYTHING MUCH IN TERMS OF USABLE SPACE BECAUSE THAT IMPLIED LANDING IS THERE ANYWAY. RIGHT. IF YOU COME UP THE STAIRS, YOU HAVE TO BE IT, BUT IF YOU MOVE THAT FROM THE DECK TO THE STAIR SURFACE, IT WOULD BE COMPLIANT AND YOU WOULD JUST LOSE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S MAYBE LIKE SIX SQUARE FEET OF DECK. SO I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A COMPLIANCE SOLUTION HERE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE AND DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING IN TERMS OF USABILITY OR, OR THAT SORT OF THING. AND AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE HERE TO BALANCE YES. THOSE TWO THINGS. AND THIS SEEMS LIKE ONE WHERE I'M NOT SURE A VARIANCE IS NECESSARY. UM, AND, AND IF YOU SAY TO ME THAT MAKES A BIG DEAL TO ME, IT'S GONNA RUIN THE WHOLE DECK. WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I'M, I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE THAT. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE A SOLUTION. UM, AND, UM, IF I GO WITH THAT, UM, SOLUTION, THEN THIS, UM, SCHEMATIC, WHICH SHOWS THE SIDE VARIANCE BEING THIS LONG RECTANGLE WOULD REALLY BECOME BASICALLY HALF OF THE RECTANGLE. AND IT'S THE IN CBT LITTLE, UH, UH, RECTANGLE, BECAUSE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, THE, THE LANDING BECOMES PART OF THE STAIRS, I THINK IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY TO HAVE ONE AT ALL. THAT'S RIGHT. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING IF I, IF I GO ALONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, SO THEN WE WOULD BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, REVISE OUR, UH, UM, OUR ASK FOR HALF OF THAT RECTANGLE. I WOULD SAY THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE. WHAT HAPPENS IS, CURRENTLY THE DECK ALREADY HAS A SIMILAR, UM, LAYOUT. AS YOU CAN SEE. IT HAS THAT LITTLE BITE OUT RIGHT THERE. AND IT'S JUST BEEN VERY ARBITRARY AND ANNOYING. AND IT DOES LIMIT THE USABILITY OF THIS ADJACENT AREA. SO, UM, YES, WE COULD, UM, CUT BACK AND NOT HAVE THAT EXTENSION IF THE BOARD FEELS THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR. YES. UM, EVEN IF SHE WAS TO MAKE THAT A PLATFORM, A GROUND LEVEL PLATFORM, IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE A VARIANCE. YEAH, I WAS, IT'S NOT PART OF THE WALKWAY. I WASN'T SUGGESTING, I WAS JUST THINKING, WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I WAS THINKING IF IT WAS PART OF THE STAIRS, IF IT WAS THE LANDING AT THE TOP OF THIS GROUND, STAIRS WOULD STILL BE A, A WOODEN PLATFORM. WELL, IT WAS MADE OUTTA THE STAIR MATERIAL. YEAH. EVEN IF I SEE THE STAIRS ARE ON, GREAT, THEY ARE NOT WOOD FRAMING STAIRS. RIGHT. THE STAIRS ARE PART OF THE WALKWAY, BUT THE LANDING IS NOT, THE LANDING IS A PLATFORM THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED STRUCTURE. WELL, PRESUMABLY YOU'RE ONE RISER FROM THE TOP OF THE STAIR TO GET ON THE DECK MM-HMM . BUT IF YOU CONTINUED UP THE HILL MM-HMM . AND PUT IN ONE MORE GROUND STAIR, YOU COULD GET TO [00:25:01] THE DECK LEVEL AS PART OF THE STAIR SYSTEM WITHOUT A STRUCTURE. WITHOUT A STRUCTURE. I GOT YOU. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRAVELING ON GRADE FURTHER. NO, I, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A GROUND LEVEL STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD NONCOMPLIANT ALSO. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN ON GRADE, LET'S SAY CONCRETE OR STONE, UH, LANDING, I THINK THE STAIRS. I THINK WHAT, LISTEN, WE'RE NOT, WE, WE, IF WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DESIGNING A PROJECT, SO YEAH. WE, WE WON'T DO THAT. I THINK THE SUGGESTION, THE QUESTION BEING ASKED IS, IS THERE A COMPLIANCE SOLUTION HERE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE SIDE VARIANCE THAT WOULD, MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT THIS MINUTE. WE, WE CAN KEEP TALKING AND MAYBE NOT EVERYONE AGREES. UM, SO WE CAN, WE CAN PAUSE IT THERE. BUT I, I'M IN THE QUESTION PART. I'M, I'M IDENTIFYING THAT AS A QUESTION FOR ME. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, UM, ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT OR UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A TINY DECK. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A SPACE FOR A SMALL TABLE AND A BARBECUE, AND THIS AREA IS A WAY TO GET UP TO THE HOUSE AND MAYBE HAVE ONE OR TWO CHAIRS TO SIT ON. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD USE FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES, UH, BUT WE COULD LIVE WITHOUT IT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD AGREES THAT THAT SHOULD BE OMITTED. SO YOU'RE SHOWING A TRELLIS THERE, YOU'RE NOT SHOWING FURNITURE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IN POINT OF FACT YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY USE THAT ENTIRE SQUAREISH SHAPE BETWEEN THE MUDROOM AND THE TOP OF THE STAIRS THAT HAS A TRELLIS OVER IT AS A YES. THAT WAS AS A USABLE SPACE. CORRECT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OF THAT, THAT PORTION OF THE DECK THAT'S ENCROACHING WITHIN THE SIDE YARD THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING? UM, YES. SO THAT'S, UH, UM, I DON'T HAVE A DIMENSION, UH, BUT I IT IS, UM, TWO FEET IN ONE DAY. YEAH, ABOUT TWO BY 10, ABOUT 20 ISH OR SO. EVA, SO ARE TALKING ABOUT A 20 SQUARE FOOT ENCROACHMENT TO THE SIDE YARD, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, UM, THE VARIANCE IS, UH, THE SIDE VARIANCE IS TWO FEET AND, UH, UM, THE LENGTH OF THE AREA IS ABOUT 10 FEET. OKAY. SO IT'S ABOUT 20 SQUARE FEET. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? AND THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC? UM, JUST A REAL QUICK ONE, UH, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE. I WANTED TO, AND YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THIS, UM, THE OTHER DECK THAT'S ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? UM, THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO, UH, TO HAMILTON. YES. UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE YOU'RE REQUESTING LIKE THE, THE LARGEST VARIANCE FOR THAT. UM, IS THAT, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOUR WALKWAY AND THAT DECK, HOW FAR IS THAT DECK ABOVE THE, THE WALKWAY THAT YOU HAVE THERE? OR, OR WOULD THOSE STEPS, DOES IT BECOME AT THE SAME LEVEL AT SOME POINT? IT'S ABOUT THREE STEPS ABOVE THE WALKWAY. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU APPROACH THE HOUSE ON A SLOPE, UM, SO YOU ARE GOING, UM, YOU'RE GOING UP THIS WAY, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THEN IF THERE IS SOMETHING HERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR LEVEL, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIKE ABOUT THREE STEPS ABOVE OR BE BELOW AND THEN ABOVE THE RIGHT. YEAH. YOU TWO OR THREE FEET OF THE, SO CURRENTLY WITH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT SPACE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT SPACE. RIGHT. IT'S, AND JUST THE CORNER OF THEIR ROOM. RIGHT. AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO ADD A DECK AT THAT, AT THAT CORNER. YES. AS YOU CAN SEE. UH, WHICH, WHICH WILL BE BOTH FACING HAMILTON AND THEN ON THE YEAH. SIDE OF THE HOUSE. IT'S LIKE A LITTLE WRAP AROUND BALCONY AS WELL. UM, AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE STREET. I KNOW THAT LIKE SO MANY HOMES IN, IN HASTINGS, THERE ARE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE, TO THE STREET THAN YOURS ARE, YOU KNOW, YOURS ACTUALLY OCCUPIES A SLIGHTLY LARGER FOOTPRINT, NOT AS TALL, BUT A SLIGHTLY LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSES. CORRECT. UM, BUT UH, YEAH, I JUST, I WANTED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE LARGEST VARIANCE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AS, AS THEY'RE ASSESSING THE VARIANCES AT HAND. THE QUESTION ISN'T, ISN'T NEED. IT'S WHETHER THE BENEFIT SOUGHT BY THE APPLICANT, UM, AS BALANCE, WHETHER THE BE THE BENEFITS, AS BALANCE OF THE DETRIMENTS WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE APPLICANT'S NEED, IT'S WHAT WILL THOSE IMPACTS BE IN RELATION TO THE BENEFITS. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHERE THE FIVE FACTORS COME IN, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A GOOD SEGUE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. SURE. OKAY. SHALL WE COME UP [00:30:01] OR? YES, SPEAK. OKAY, GREAT. COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. OH, ALRIGHT. SO I AM JUST ABOVE, WE, UH, IT'S 41 JEFFERSON AVENUE. AND SO COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME TOO, PLEASE? LER AND JANE. JANE . JANE . SO I DON'T, I KIND OF PREPARE SOME, SOME OF THESE THINGS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ZONING BOARD IS TAKING LOOK AT MAYBE SOME OF IT BEHIND, I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU GUYS LOOKING, BUT, UH, THE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED SAID THAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW YOU CAN DECIDE THAT IT IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO RENDERINGS, THERE'S NO MATERIALS PRESENTED, SO YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW IT LOOK. RIGHT. SO I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST, I MEAN, I WOULD POSTPONE THE SECOND IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SHOULD BE DECIDED. I MEAN, IT'S, UH, UH, STORM WATER STEEP SLOPES. RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PAVING SOMETHING AND THERE'S NO WAY OF UNDERSTANDING HOW THE WATER WILL BE MANAGED BECAUSE THIS, UM, PASS IN BETWEEN HAMILTON AND, UH, JEFFERSON DURING THE RAIN IS BASICALLY NIAGARA FAULT. MR. LER, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH STORM WATER THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE HANDLED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. PERFECT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. RIGHT. I JUST, I JUST WANT, BUT I DO WANNA, I DO WANNA REASSURE YOU THAT ANY NEW PROJECT AND, AND THE BUILDING SPECTRUM CAN SPEAK TO THIS WILL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING'S ENGINEER, THE VILLAGE ENGINEER. AND, UM, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, GENERALLY IMPROVE STORM WATER FROM AN EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BRING IT UP TO THE MODERN STANDARD. PERFECT. I, I, I DO KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHY I'M ADDRESSING IT RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IT. SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S NO RENDERING. YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW. THE SECOND IS ONLY BUILDING, THERE IS A, A MEASURING A, THERE, THERE'S A DIMENSION OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR HOW IT WAS DERIVED. THERE IS NO INDEPENDENT OF VERIFICATION BECAUSE IT'S QUITE A, A TASK TO FIGURE OUT THE HEIGHT BASED ON THE SLOPE BUILDING AND WHAT IT IS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ALSO ADDRESSED AND MAYBE THIS IS A REASON TO COUNT MR. MR. CHAIR. YES. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU, SIR. SO BEING THAT THIS PARTICULAR ADDITION IS GONNA BE SO CLOSE TO THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT ALLOWED, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN AS-BUILT HEIGHT SURVEY GIVEN TO THE VILLAGE. AND IF IT'S NOT, IF IT GOES OVER, IT'S GONNA BE EITHER IT HAS TO BE FIXED OR IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD, CONSTRUCTION WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO BE HALTED AT THAT POINT. IT WOULD HAVE TO EITHER BE ADDRESSED OR COME DOWN OR COME TO THIS BOARD FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER VARIANCE. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S EASIER TO DO IT BEFORE, RIGHT? AS PROPOSED, THE HEIGHT COMPLIES. YEAH. AS, AS, AS THE ARCHITECT IS SHOWING IT, IT, IT IS COMPLIANT, BUT BEING THAT IT IS CLOSE TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE HEIGHT WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE HEIGHTS ARE MAINTAINED. RIGHT. AND BEING AN ARCHITECT, INTERESTING PARTY, I WOULD SUGGEST TO DO SOMEBODY WHO IS A, UH, A THIRD PARTY, IT WOULD BE DONE BY THIRD PARTY. UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PREFERABLY BE DONE IN THE FRAMING STAGES. OKAY. ONCE THE FRAMING IS COMPLETE, IN CASE THERE IS AN ERROR OR, OR AN OMISSION OF SORTS, IT CAN BE HANDLED AT THAT TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK HERE. PERFECT. WHICH, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE HAD THAT SITUATION IN THE PAST AND IT WAS CAUGHT AND IT WAS FIXED. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, SO MY TWO MOST, MY COMMENTS ARE PROXIMITY TO THE RIGHT WAY OF THE, THAT YOU MENTIONED THE PEDESTRIAN PASS. THE PEDESTRIAN PASS IS USED ABOUT 60 PEOPLE A DAY, AND IT IS BY KIDS AND BY ADULTS GOING TO THE STATION AND HAVING THE DECK 10 FEET FROM THE PAST, WHICH IS FROM HERE TO THERE, IT'S 10 FEET. HAVING FURNITURE AND DINNER AND MOVING CLOSER TO THE PAST IS NOT REALLY [00:35:01] COMFORTABLE EITHER FOR THEM, I THINK, OR FOR ANYBODY PASSING BY. SO I WOULD SUGGEST REALLY LOOKING IN, UH, AT, AT VARIANCE IF IT'S REALLY NECESSARY BECAUSE IT, IT JUST, IT JUST THERE, IT JUST VERY, VERY CLOSE IN GENERAL. I THINK IN ADDITION ALSO CAN BE DESIGNED VISIT THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. THERE'S NO REASON TO BUILD ON TOP OF THE YEAH. OVER HERE THERE'S NO REASON TO BUILD ON THE EXISTING FOUNDATION. YOU CAN DESIGN AND COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING. AND THAT, SORRY, LEMME JUST SAY IT'S NOT CHANGING. NO. TO BE CLEAR, OUR REQUEST IS THAT, UM, IT BE EXAMINED SO THAT THE, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE VARIANCES. 'CAUSE FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD AT THIS HEARING, UM, MOST OF WHAT'S REQUIRING THE VARIANCE IS, UM, ENTERTAINMENT SPACE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT TRUE LIVING SPACE. SO I THINK AN EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE BECAUSE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WITHIN THE TOWNS LIKE HASTINGS, MANY THINGS HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED, LOTS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN VARIANCES FOR SETBACKS AND SO ON. BUT IT DOESN'T, THAT DOES NOT JUSTIFY GIVING ADDITIONAL VARIANCES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MAKE SURE THAT THEY AND THE NEIGHBORS ALL HAVE PRIVACY AND THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING AN EXISTING PROBLEM WORTH. RIGHT. AND THAT'S KIND OF LEAD ME TO THE LAST POINT, WHICH IS, UM, THE POINT THAT WAS MADE THAT THE BUILDING IS TOO SMALL. PART OF THE, THE REASON THAT THE BUILDING IS TOO SMALL, THAT THE APPLICANT IS RUNNING THE BUSINESS OUT OF THE BUILDING. SHE'S AN ARCHITECT. SHE HAS HER OFFICE THERE, WHICH INCLUDES PROBABLY TABLES, PRINTERS, PEOPLE VISITING AND IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, WHICH IS NOT REALLY WHAT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. AND I'M KIND OF ENCOURAGED PORT NOT TO ENCOURAGE THIS BEHAVIOR. RIGHT. BUT GIVING MORE VARIANCES AND INCREASINGLY THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THIS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, THERE'S MORE HOME FACE TO FACE, WHICH WILL LEAD TO POSSIBLY PEOPLE VISITING THIS OFFICE, PARKING ON THE STREET WITH NO PARKING. THERE'S NO PARKING THERE. IT'S A NARROW TWO-WAY STREET WITH NO PARKING AND WITH THE SIDEWALKS, BUT NO SIDEWALKS AND THE STAIRS WITH KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL. SO I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH REASON FOR A LOT OF VIRUS. NOW YOU CAN, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, NOTHING AGAINST KIND OF WORKING AND BUILDING THE SECOND STORY, BUT IT HAS TO BE COMPLIANT. I YOU CAN, YOU CAN SOLVE IT EASILY. OKAY. SO WE'D LIKE TO ENTER THIS INTO THE RECORD. OKAY. WE'LL PROVIDE A WRITTEN COPY TO YOU RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, UM, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS ONE, A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU SAID AND THEN GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT, UM, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEANS FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE. SO HASTINGS DOES HAVE A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ZONING ISSUES. MM-HMM . SO HEIGHT, BULK, MASSING, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO IT'S, IT'S UM, NOT NECESSARY FOR US TO SEE RENDERINGS OR MATERIALS. SOMETIMES THEY'RE HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTION. SO AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHARACTER, AND YOU'LL HEAR US TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER, IT'S FROM A BULK ZONING PERSPECTIVE. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT USE HERE. UM, LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE HOME OFFICES. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S OUR JURISDICTION AS WELL. AND FINALLY, JUST FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING, UM, THERE IS A SPECIAL PIECE OF THE CODE, WHICH IS PART OF THIS APPLICATION FOR EXTENSION OF EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS. AND THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME RECOGNITION THAT REUSING EXISTING WALLS AND FOUNDATIONS IS, UM, A BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, A, A, A REASONABLE BENEFIT. SO AGAIN, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A VERY COMMON REQUEST IN THE VILLAGE. DO YOU WANNA REPLY? SO, UM, FIRSTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY NEIGHBORS FOR COMING TO THIS MEETING AND PARTICIPATING AND SORT OF, UH, UM, ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER FOR, FOR THE SAME GOAL, WHICH IS, UH, UM, WHICH IS MAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE BEST THING [00:40:01] CAN BE. I UNDERSTAND THEY, UM, CAN HAVE, UM, CERTAIN TECHNICAL, UM, COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE WORK ON THEIR HOME. THEY RENOVATED, EXPANDED AND PUT A WHOLE LOT OF NEW SPACE AND WORK INTO THEIR HOUSE. SO THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THINGS WORK. SO THAT'S ALL GOOD. THEN I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON MY, UM, OFFICE BEING IN THE HOUSE. UM, SO THERE'S A SECTION OF THE CODE WHICH ALLOWS ARCHITECTURAL OFFICES TO BE PART OF OUR RESIDENCE. SECONDLY, UH, WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS HOUSE, UH, THERE WAS A GARAGE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. AND I CAME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND I FILED FOR THE OFFICE BEING THERE. AND I GOT A, UH, A PERMIT TO DO THAT. AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE RECORD AS EXISTING LEGAL ARCHITECTURAL OFFICE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO PRIOR TO THE TIME THEY HAVE PURCHASED THEIR HOME. UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, DISTANCE TO THE STEPS AND THE WALKWAY, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, BLOCK, YOU CAN SEE THAT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE WALKWAY THAN OUR HOUSES. UM, THEREFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TERRIBLY LOGICAL TO SAY THAT BY HAVING A TWO FOOT OF A LANDING WE WOULD BE ENCROACHING ON THE SIDEWALK WHERE THEIR ENTIRE, UM, THREE STORY RESIDENCE IS CLOSER TO THE WALKWAY THAN WE ARE. UM, SO I DON'T FIND IT VERY LOGICAL. UM, AND AS YOU SAID, UM, THE, THE, UM, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE MASSING AND SIZING AND SETBACKS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, WHICH IN HASTINGS WOULD COME UNDER A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION. AND THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? ALRIGHT. I THINK IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, MAYBE WE START TO DISCUSS THESE RELATIVE TO THE FACTORS. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? MM-HMM. YEP. OKAY. SO, UM, AS THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY REFERENCED, UM, WE WEIGH, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR VARIANCES BASED ON FIVE FACTORS. AND WE TYPICALLY GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE AS A BOARD AND, UH, DISCUSS ANY CONCERNS THAT ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE WITH ANY ONE OF THEM. IN THIS CASE, I THINK YOU CAN DISCUSS A CONCERN, AND IF IT'S TARGETED TO ONE OF THE FOUR VARIANCES MORE THAN THE OTHERS, YOU CAN IDENTIFY THAT AS WELL. SO THE FIRST FACTOR IS WHETHER AN UNDESIRABLE CHANGE WILL BE PRODUCED IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES WILL BE CREATED BY THE GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCES. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT? WE HAVE FOUR VARIANCES AS WELL. RIGHT. UM, WHICH ARE ABOUT THE REAR YARD SETBACK EXTENSION OF EXISTING VARIS. THERE, IT'S NOT NUMBERED ON THE AGENDA, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE. SO THERE'S FIVE IS A, IT'S MISSING A, I SEE. OKAY. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WAS CONFUSING. YEAH, IT CONFUSED ME TOO. 'CAUSE I SAID FOUR. OKAY. IT IS FIVE. SO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, UM, REAR YARD SETBACK, AND THEN EXTENSION OF EXISTING NONCONFORMITY, AND THEN THE SIDE YARD, AND THEN AGAIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO THE DECK. SO SEPARATE, UM, SEPARATE VARIANCES FOR THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING. UH, THE, THE ENCLOSED SPACE AND THE DECK. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THE, I THINK THE FIRST THREE DEAL WITH THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING, THE FRONT, UH, THE, THE, YEAH. THE FRONT YARD IN TERMS OF YES. THE FIRST THREE DEAL WITH THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING, I BELIEVE. AND THE LAST TWO ARE THE DECKS. ARE THE DECKS. I THINK THAT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO RECOGNIZE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THE FIRST ONE ISN'T NUMBERED PROPERLY. UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IMPROVING THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. IT'S GOING FROM 20.9 TO 21.5. SO THEY ARE INCREASING AND THEN THE REAR YARD SETBACK ISN'T CHANGING FROM EXISTING CONDITIONS. OKAY. AND THEN NUMBER THREE RELATES TO THE FRONT AND THE REAR, WHICH ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES AT THE PROPERTY, WHICH ARE BEING EITHER MAINTAINED OR THEY'RE BEING IMPROVED. BUT AS EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, BECAUSE THE HEIGHT IS INCREASING, IT'S, UH, INCREASING THE VOLUME OF NON-CONFORMITY, BUT NOT THE FOOTPRINT. IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILDING IN SPACE THAT'S, IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE NONCONFORMING. SO THEY'RE INCREASING THE NON-CONFORMITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY INCREASING THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ENCROACHMENT HORIZONTALLY. HORIZONTALLY. RIGHT. OKAY. THEY'RE NOT GETTING CLOSER TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. OKAY. AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO THOSE TWO VARIANCES. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WITH THE SMALLEST VARIANCE ALSO WITH THE, THE NORTH SIDE, UM, ALONG THE, THE STAIRS. UM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER ENCROACHMENTS ON THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, [00:45:01] UM, FROM GRANDFATHER CONDITIONS. I, I THINK THAT TWO FEET HERE, TWO FEET THERE, YOU HAVE A SLOW EROSION OF, OF PUBLIC SPACE THAT I THINK, TO ME, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A JUSTIFICATION FOR IT HERE, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THAT THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS. UM, I JUST WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ERODING PUBLIC SPACE. THIS IS STILL ON THEIR PROPERTY. IT'S GETTING CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE'RE NOT, I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE PHRASING THINGS. IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE PUBLIC SPACE. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK, BUT IT'S STILL WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY ENTIRELY. YES. UH, THE EROSION IS FROM THE, THE, THE BUFFER, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THE SETBACK IS GETTING SMALLER, DIMINISHING THE SETBACK. YES. FROM 12 TO 10 FEET CORRECT. IS A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE. AND I THINK IT MAKES THE EXPERIENCE, UH, PARTICULARLY IF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MORE YOU HAVE, UH, MAKE THE EXPERIENCE OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY DIFFERENT, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MY INITIAL REACTION. SO, UM, I GUESS I, I HAVE A BIT OF AN OPPOSITE VIEW. I, I, I DON'T VIEW THE EXTENSION OF THAT DECK TO BE, UH, SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO REQUIRE ITS ELIMINATION AND DOING A LANDING AND THEREFORE CREATING AN IRREGULARLY SIZED DECK WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO GET ON A LANDING AND THEN SORT OF MAKE A, A, A SNAKE PATH TO THE ENTRANCE OF YOUR MUD ROOM, I THINK WOULD BE, UM, A DETRIMENT THAT, UM, IS NOT OUTWEIGHED BY THE, THE BENEFIT OF KEEPING THAT TWO BY 10 FOOT PIECE OF, UH, SPACE. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I THINK I'M, PERSONALLY, I'M COMFORTABLE ON THE FIRST THREE, THE MASSING ONES. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE THERE. I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AND MAYBE WE'LL SEE IT IN THE VOTE ABOUT, UM, THIS DECK ONE HERE THAT IN TERMS OF THE FRONT ONE, YOU KNOW, I, UM, I, I DO THINK THAT IT WAS HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT DIAGRAM TO SEE WHERE THE OTHER HOUSES, UH, ARE RELATIVE TO THE FRONT YARD. SOME OF US WALKED THE STREET, I'M SURE. UM, I, BECAUSE THAT IS RELATIVELY A LOW ELEMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT TO YOU AND TO THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY'S POINT. I, I, I DON'T SEE THE DETRIMENT OF THAT ONE. THERE'S, THERE'S NOBODY HERE THERE. SO I THINK WE'VE, IF I, WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY AND, AND JUMP IN ANYONE ON THE BOARD, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ON THE FIRST FACTOR, MAYBE WITH A CARVE OUT OF THE SIDE YARD FOR SOME PEOPLE. IS THAT A FAIR, CAN I ASK ONE, ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT? I'VE WALKED THOSE STAIRS MANY TIMES, UH, AS RECENTLY AS YOU KNOW, A WEEK AGO. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME TREES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN MAYBE IN YOUR BACKYARD, MAYBE IN YOUR BACKYARD. I, I'M NOT SURE. UM, BUT THERE IS, IS THERE, JUST FROM, FROM MEMORY, IS THERE ANYTHING TREE WISE, SHRUB WISE, BETWEEN THAT STAIRWAY AND THE SECTION OF THE DECK THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE? THERE'S ACTUALLY A SMALL DOGWOOD TREE. YES. WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF A GREENERY THAT, UM, I KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT HERE, BECAUSE THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN BEFORE THE TREES WERE OUT. UM, BUT, UM, THERE IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, UM, UM, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE IT HERE. YEAH. UM, THERE IS, UH, ONE THING I WOULD QUICKLY LIKE TO SAY, WHICH IS, YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A TREE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS FULL AND GREEN AND, UH, UM, YEAH. WOULD YOU HAVE PLANNED, UM, STEPS ALLOW THAT TREE TO STAY? YES. AND IN FACT, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO ADD MORE SMALL TREES. WOULD THE BOARD WANT TO CONSIDER, WOULD YOU BE OPEN BUFFER? WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO PLANTING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING? YES, ABSOLUTELY. WOULD THE BOARD FEEL THAT SOME OF ITS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROXIMITY TO THE SIDEWALK BE ALLEVIATED OR MITIGATED IF ADDITIONAL SCREENING WERE INSTALLED BETWEEN THE DECK AND THE SIDEWALK TO ACT AS A BARRIER? BECAUSE THAT COULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL POTENTIALLY. YEAH, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR TO MAKE A PART OF THE RESOLUTION. IT WOULD BE PART OF THE RESOLUTION. I MEAN, INTERESTINGLY, I THINK THAT IS AS MUCH FOR YOUR BENEFIT AS THE PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON MY WISHLIST. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT THE STEPS THAT THE STEPS ARE HEAVILY USED. THEY'RE WONDERFUL. WE ALL LOVE THEM. PEOPLE USE THEM FOR FUN, FOR EXERCISE, FOR COMMUTING, FOR EVERYTHING. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THEY ARE IN A VERY BAD CONDITION. AND I WOULD LOVE IT IF THE VILLAGE WOULD DO SOMETHING TO REPAIR THEM. UM, YESTERDAY MORNING I WOKE UP WITH A CHILD STANDING ON THE STEPS AND CRYING BECAUSE SHE MISTEPPED AND TWISTED HER FOOT, UH, AT LIKE SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING. SO THEN I STAYED WITH HER FOR A MINUTE UNTIL HER DAD CAME TO PICK HER UP SO SHE COULD HOBBLE HER WAY HOME. [00:50:01] UM, AND, UH, THE STEPS ARE, UH, SORT OF A LOCAL MINI TREASURE, AND I WISH THAT VILLAGE WOULD SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO FIX SOME OF THEM THAT NEEDED. WHILE WE, UH, WE, AS WE SAY THIS A LOT, NOT OUR JURISDICTION, BUT IT'S IN THE RECORD. NOTED, COMMENT NOTED. UM, OKAY. IS THERE, CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE SECOND FACTOR? SO THE SECOND FACTOR IS WHETHER THE BENEFITS SOUGHT BY THE APPLICANT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY SOME METHOD FEASIBLE TO THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE OTHER THAN AN AREA OF VARIANCE. AND I, I DO THINK WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WITH REGARDS TO THE SIDE DECK. UM, BUT I'M PERSONALLY NOT PARTICULARLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS ONE IN ANY OF THE OTHER VARIANCES. I AGREE. I'D AGREE WITH THAT, JOSH. WHETHER THE REQUESTED VARIANCE AREA VARIANCE IS SUBSTANTIAL. UM, I THINK THE ONE THING WE CAN SAY ABOUT THE SIDE VARIANCE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS IT'S NOT A LARGE VARIANCE FROM A NUMERIC NUMBER. UM, UH, I MEAN, THEY, RICHARD, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS MORE, UH, THE VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE LARGEST VARIANCE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE. YEAH, FOR SURE. I DO WANNA POINT OUT, I, I ASKED THIS QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING, BUT IT IS, UM, IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THERE ARE NO REQUESTED VARIANCES FOR COVERAGE OR FAR TH THIS IS NOT AN OVERBUILT HOUSE. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR TO COVER MORE OF THE LAND. THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO BUILD MORE THAN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. SO WE CAN ALL HAVE OUR PERSONAL IMPRESSIONS OF, UM, WHAT'S A BIG HOUSE, BUT BY ZONING, THIS HOUSE IS NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT AS OF RIGHT. AND AGAIN, SUBSTANTIALITY IS MEASURED IN TERMS OF THE NUMERICAL VALUE OF, OF THE VARIANCES, THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED, BUT ALSO IMPACT. SO YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT'S NUMERICALLY SUBSTANTIAL, BUT THE IMPACT MAY OR MAY NOT BE LARGE. WE DISCUSSED A SCREENING, A CONDITION OF SCREENING THAT MIGHT HELP MITIGATE SOME POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THE VARIANCE. UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE SUBSTANTIAL FACTOR, UH, FOR WHETHER THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT OR IMPACT ON THE PHYSICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DISTRICT? UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE HEARD FROM, FROM SOME NEIGHBORS, UM, WE'VE WALKED THE STREET, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS. UM, I THINK, AGAIN, WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THAT IMPACTS THE STAIRS. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST QUESTION ON THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE DECK TOWARD THE STREET, UM, WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK WOULD, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IT HAS THE ADVERSE EFFECT. YEAH. I THINK MAYBE THAT'S THE KEY TO BOTH OF THESE. I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED, UM, USING THAT FRONTWARD FACING DECK AS A, UM, PLANTED SPACE, NON DEER SALAD BAR. YOU HAVE MY SYMPATHIES. UM, IT'S GOING IN THE RESOLUTION. THAT'S IT. THAT'S GOING IN THE RE I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH, HOW MANY DEER SALAD BARS WE'VE PLANTED SALAD. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE WE'RE, WE'RE MAYBE TALKING ABOUT A CONDITION FOR THE SIDE YARD THAT WOULD INVOLVE PLANTING. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU COULD ALMOST THINK OF YOUR DECK AS A PLANTER, UM, IN A SENSE. UM, AND YOU'RE JUST SORT OF RAISING THE GROUND PLANE OF THAT PLANTER. UM, AND I THINK THAT YOU COULD ARGUE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE GOING, THAT THAT'S A BENEFIT. IT SCREENS YOU, BUT IT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDS SOME, SOME PLANTING TO THE, TO THE STREETSCAPE. ALMOST A LANDSCAPE ELEMENT. YEAH. TREAT IT MORE LIKE A LANDSCAPE ELEMENT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE FOURTH ONE? ALSO A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER. SO IT'S PRESUMED TO HAVE NO ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE FINAL ONE IS WHETHER THE ALLEGED DIFFICULTY WAS SELF-CREATED, WHICH CONSIDERATION SHALL BE RELEVANT TO THE DECISION OF THE BOARD OF APPEALS, BUT SHALL NOT NECESSARILY, UH, PRECLUDE THE GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCE. WE, WE SAY A LOT THAT, THAT THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF SELF-CREATION IN ALL OF THESE. WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE WANTING TO CHANGE YOUR ENVIRONMENT. UM, I THINK THE, THE TASK FOR US IS TO BALANCE THAT AGAINST THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY. ANY, BUT ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO BRING THIS TO A VOTE. I THINK THE POTENTIAL RESOLUTIONS THAT SOMEBODY COULD BRING WOULD BE TO APPROVE ALL THE VARIANCES AS NOTED. WE COULD APPROVE THEM WITH A CONDITION. MM-HMM . UH, THE ONE THAT WAS SUGGESTED WAS PLANTING IN THE SIDE YARD. UM, THE, WOULD THE, OTHERWISE WE COULD WHAT, WHAT OTHER, I MEAN, WHAT OTHER POTENTIAL OPTIONS OF THERE? SO I, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON, ON THE BOARD'S INCLINATION. IF THE BOARD FEELS THAT IT'S INCLINED TO GRANT THE VARIANCES AS PRESENTED, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION. IF, IF THE BOARD'S OF DESIRES, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T FEEL THAT IT'S INCLINED TO GRANT CERTAIN VARIANCES, [00:55:01] IT CAN GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPTION TO COME BACK. IF IT WANTS A REDESIGN, IT COULD, IT COULD DENY, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS, I GUESS, ON HOW YOU WANNA PROCEED. YOU COULD APPROVE HALF THE APPLICATION, BUT IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK, IT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE RIGHT. BENEFICIAL. SO, I MEAN, SO THE APPROVALS COULD BE ONE AT A TIME GOING DOWN ONE AT A TIME. RIGHT. SO THE FIRST, THE FRONT YARD, THE REAR YARD AND THE 2 95 55 A, THEY ALL RELATE TO THE ADDITION. RIGHT. SO YOU COULD DO THOSE IN ONE BLOCK. YEAH. IN MY OPINION. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE OTHER TWO RELATE TO THE DECK IN THE FRONT PORCH. YEAH, LET'S DO THEM IN THREE BLOCKS. I THINK THAT WILL BE THE MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY. UM, SO WOULD SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION ON THE FIRST THREE, UM, UH, VARIANCE REQUEST, WHICH IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK RELATED TO THE BUILDING, THE REAR YARD SETBACK RELATED TO THE BUILDING MASS AND THE EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY? BETH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU, YOU, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE IN TWO BLOCKS AND THE SECOND WAS, BUT YOU SAID THREE BLOCKS. I THINK I'M GONNA DO, I THINK WE SHOULD DO EACH OF THE TWO PORCHES. OKAY. UM, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. GOOD LUCK. UH, THANK YOU. UH, IN A CASE NUMBER 5 26, UM, ERIC AND EVA BORA BORA, THANK YOU. 50 HAMILTON AVENUE RELIEF FROM THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THE VILLAGE CODE SECTIONS 2 95 68, F1, A, B, AND C WITH 2 95 55 A AND 2 95 20 B SIX FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIRST AND SECOND STORY EDITION SIDE YARD DECK EXTENSIONS WITH PERGOLA AND NEW FRONT YARD DECK. LET ME PAUSE THERE. JUST DO THE, YEAH, WITHOUT, UH, ALTHOUGH THIS IS JUST FOR THE, UM, SECOND, FIRST AND SECOND STORY EDITIONS. UH, NOT, NOT, UH, VOTING CURRENTLY ON THE DECK EXTENSIONS, UH, ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED AT 50 HAMILTON AVENUE SET PROPERTY IN THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT AND KNOWN AS SBL FOUR POINT AD DASH 74 DASH 20 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS. UM, VOTE TO APPROVE NON-CONFORMING DETAILS FOR THE ADDITIONS AS FOLLOWS. FRONT YARD SETBACK EXISTING 20.9 FEET, PROPOSED 21.5 FEET REQUIRED 30 FEET PER 2 95 DASH 68 F1 A. THE VARIANCE REQUIRED IS 8.5 FEET. SECOND REAR YARD SETBACK EXISTING AND PROPOSED 25.3 FEET REQUIRED 30 FEET, UM, PER 2 9 5 68 F1 B. THE VARIANCE REQUIRED THERE IS 4.7 FEET AND 2 95 DASH 55. A EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, BOTH FRONT AND REAR YARD SETBACKS. WOULD ANYONE CARE TO SECOND THAT? I SECOND IT. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA JUST TAKE A VOTE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. RICHARD. APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVED APPROVE. OKAY, SO THOSE PIECES ARE THROUGH NOW I WANNA DO, UH, IF IT'S OKAY, THE FRONT YARD DECK SETBACK DECK. UM, CAN WE GET A MOTION FROM SOMEONE TO APPROVE, UM, THE, THE LAST VARIANCE ON THE LIST? I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, IN, IN THIS CASE, SINCE WE'RE BREAKING IT APART, DO I NEED TO NO, YOU DON'T. NO. LET ME DO THE FIRST PART AGAIN. NO. NOPE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE TO GO FOR THE TEAM. , UH, UH, MOTION, UH, TO IMPROVE, TO APPROVE, UH, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO DECK EXISTING NA PROPOSED 16.5 FEET REQUIRED 21 FEET, 2 9 5 DASH 20 B 24 FEET. 24 24 FEET, PARDON ME? UH, 2 9 5 DASH 20 B SIX, UH, WITH 2 9 5 DASH 68 F1 A. THE VARIANCE REQUIRED 7.5 FEET. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ISN'T THAT THE ONE WE'RE GONNA DO? THE CONDITION OR NO? NO, NO. THIS IS THIS, THIS IS THE FRONT. THIS IS, THIS IS THE FRONT, THIS IS FRONT YARD. GOT IT. YEP. A SECOND. OKAY. RICHARD, APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVED. APPROVE. OKAY. THAT BRINGS US TO THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS THE SIDE YARD. UM, I, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, IT SEEMS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS WILLING, I THINK THE, UM, THE MOTION SHOULD BE TO APPROVE THIS WITH CONDITIONAL PLANTING. HOW CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT CONDITION? UM, AND, AND IT'S A, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE, ARE WE ABLE TO SAY, IS THIS GONNA BE AN EVERGREEN BECAUSE PEOPLE USE THIS ALL YEAR ROUND. RIGHT NOW THE DOGWOOD MAY BE IN BLOOM, BUT DOGWOODS ARE PRETTY SKINNY. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE USE THAT YEAR ROUND, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WORTH CONSIDERING THAT IT BE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS CONDITIONED THAT IT IS LIKE AN EVERGREEN AND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE NORTH AND, WELL, I GUESS IT WOULD BE EAST AND WEST. UH, BUT, BUT RUNNING A, THE, THE RUNNING ALONG THE STAIRS, [01:00:01] YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DISTANCE DOES THIS NEED TO COVER IN ORDER TO BASICALLY GIVE, NOT JUST SIDE TO SIDE, BUT YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN EXTENSION FROM THE, FROM EACH SIDE IN ORDER TO BLOCK THE, THE DECK AND IN PERPETUITY. YEAH. THOSE ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON, SO WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH EVERGREEN SCREENING? YES. IF I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING MR. GRIFFIN. RIGHT. UH, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE TERRAIN IS SORT OF SLOPE NEXT TO THE DECK. CORRECT. THEN THERE IS A RETAINING WALL. YEP. SO THEN THE TERRAIN POPS UP AND CONTINUES UP MM-HMM . SO, UM, IN A MATTER OF A FEW STEPS, YOU'RE BASICALLY ABOVE THE HOUSE AND ABOVE THE DECK. AND, UH, UM, IT'S NOT REALISTIC TO ENTIRELY TAKE THIS, UM, IT IS OUT OF THE VIEW. I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU PLANTED A TREE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THIS SORT OF A, A DEBATED SECTION, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE COVERING THE SPACE BETWEEN THE DECK AND THE STEPS, UM, THAT IS WHAT YOU CAN REASONABLY DO. AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE NEW IMPACTS ARE BEING CREATED. THERE IS AN EXISTING DECK THERE, SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT VIEW'S NOT REALLY CHANGING. RIGHT. IT'S THAT NEW LITTLE PORTION THAT'S CREATING A NEW POTENTIAL. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. FAIR ENOUGH. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, BRIAN? NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. UM, DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT THE MOTION? AND I THINK THAT I, I THINK WE CAN ASK FOR AND GET SOME HELP FROM THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THE INTENTION OF EVERGREEN AND COVERING THE EXPANSE OF THE, UM, OF THE VARIANCE AREA. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. MAYBE ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS ON THAT END. , I'LL, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. UM, AND I ONLY HAVE TO DO THE SECOND PART, RIGHT? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE NON-CONFORMITY, UH, ADDRESSING THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, EXISTING 14.1 FEET WITH THE VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR TWO FEET WITH A CONDITION THAT THERE WOULD BE EVERGREEN PLANTINGS THAT WOULD COVER THE, UM, AREA OF THE VARIANCE THAT WE ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT. THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SCREEN THE NEW 20 SQUARE FEET OF DECKING WITHIN THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD SETBACK. IS THAT FAIR? SAY THAT AGAIN. AND ALSO THAT WOULD SCREEN THE NEW 20TH SQUARE FEET OF, OF DECK AREA BEING ADDED INTO THE EAST SIDE YARD SETBACK AND MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY, THE SCREENINGS WOULD BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY AND COVER THE AREA OF THE NEW SIDE PORCH OF 20 FEET. YES. SIDE DECK OF SIDE DECK. 20 FEET. 20 FEET BE, YEAH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? I SECOND THAT. RICHARD. APPROVE. APPROVE, DENY, APPROVE. APPROVE. OKAY. FOUR TO ONE, THE MOTION CARRIES. UM, SO ULTIMATELY ALL OF THE VARIANCES HAVE PASSED. UH, GOOD LUCK. AND, UH, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR A VERY THOROUGH REVIEW AND VERY DETAILED THINKING. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MY NEIGHBORS FOR KEEPING AN EYE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKING SURE THAT, UM, IT STAYS THE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, GONNA CALL THE [Case No. 06-26 ] NEXT CASE, WHICH IS 6 26. JOHN AND KATE BATO AT 44 40 45. AMHERST DRIVE WAS HERE. OH MY GOD. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT, HI, I'M KATE BODO. UM, LEGALLY ALAN BOTO . I RESIDE AT 45 AMHERST DRIVE, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT A SHED IN THE BACK CORNER OF OUR YARD FOR STORAGE. SO, UM, WE, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU SUBMITTED AND MOST OF THE BOARD HAS ACCESS TO THEM HERE. UM, I THINK IN THE, UH, THE NAME OF EXPEDIENCY. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION THAT WAS MOST CENTRAL TO ME. YOU'VE ASKED FOR RELIEF FROM THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS. UM, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, AND THE QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHY WOULDN'T WE PLACE THE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU PLACE THE SHED IN A COMPLIANT LOCATION? IN OTHER WORDS, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR THOSE? BECAUSE, WELL, THERE'S SEVERAL FACTORS. ONE IS THAT WE, WE LOSE YARD SPACE. WE HAVE PETS, WE HAVE A CHILD AND NEIGHBORS. IT'S VERY COMMUNAL, SO THE [01:05:01] KIDS ARE ALWAYS RUNNING AROUND. SO WE'D LIKE IT OUT OF THE WAY WHERE NOBODY'S GONNA RUN INTO A CORNER. UM, AND SO WE DON'T LOSE USABLE YARD SPACE. UM, THE OTHER REASON IS, ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE IT'S LEAST VIEWABLE FROM THE STREET. IT WON'T BE VIEWABLE, VIEWABLE FROM THE STREET AT ALL SO THAT IT WON'T DISRUPT ANYBODY'S VIEWS. UM, OUR NEIGHBOR, WELL, ACTUALLY I AM NOT VERY TECHNICAL ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, BOTH NEIGHBORS WHOSE PROPERTY BORDERS HOURS ALSO HAVE STRUCTURES. SO IT ALSO AESTHETICALLY FITS RIGHT IN THERE PARALLEL TO, UM, THE HOUSE AT OLD BROADWAY. AND ACTUALLY THE SHED IS, UH, ASSUMING WE ARE ALLOWED TO PUT IT THERE, BUT THE, OUR PLANS FOR THE SHED ARE, UM, TO PURCHASE IT FROM THE SAME PLACE AS THEIRS. AND IT'S THIS, IT'S THE SAME SHED. SO AESTHETICALLY THAT WOULD, UM, GO WELL. AND THEN OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR ON WARREN STREET, THEY HAVE, UM, QUITE A LARGE STRUCTURE AND SO WE SEE THE BACK OF IT AND IT'S JUST A CEMENT KIND OF WALL, SO IT WOULD THANK YOU, . SO WE WOULD ALSO BLOCK SOME OF THAT, WHICH ISN'T THE PRETTIEST TO LOOK AT FOR US. UM, SORRY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JUST AS I NOTICED THERE WERE A LOT OF LETTERS OF NEIGHBORS OF SUPPORT MM-HMM . UM, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS THAT THOSE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WROTE THE LETTERS? YES. THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, DIRECTLY NEXT TO US, 41 AMHERST. I DIDN'T MENTION THEM, UM, BUT ONE OF THE LETTERS IS FROM THEM AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT OUR PROPERTY BORDERS THE BROADWAY HOUSE AND THE AMHERST HOUSE. UM, BUT YES, IT'S ALL FROM THEM. DID WE RECEIVE ANY LETTERS OF, UM, THE ONES THAT YOU WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE RIGHT, WITH THE APPLICATION? NOTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT. AND NONE OF THOSE WERE, THEY WERE ALL IN SUPPORT. ALL IN SUPPORT. ALL IN SUPPORT, YES. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE COMPELLING ARGUMENT IS THAT IF YOU MOVED IT UP TO, TO UM, FIT INTO THE SETBACKS, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY EXPOSE MORE OF IT TO YOUR NEIGHBOR. MM-HMM . YES. UH, THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE PART OF YOUR, YOUR ARGUMENT. UM, ANY, AND THERE'S NOBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ? NO, I'M HER ARCHITECT. OH, OKAY. I I ASSUME YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAPPY TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. HI, I'M, I'M MADELINA CASTRO, HER ARCHITECT. UM, I LIVE AT 55 ROSEDALE AF. UM, SO THE OTHER REASON IS ALSO THE, THE GRAVE START SLOPING UP. AND SO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE SORT OF FLATTEST PART OF THE, OF THE YARD. AND IF WE START MOVING IT OVER, EVEN JUST A FEW FEET, YOU START CUTTING INTO THE, INTO THE GRADE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT OR START OR BUILD IT HIGHER, WHICH THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO AVOID. SORRY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? UH, I THINK WE CAN QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THE FACTORS, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SURE. UM, SO WHETHER THE UNDESIRABLE CHANGE WILL BE PRODUCED IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES. I THINK THE ARGUMENT BEING MADE HERE IS THAT IT'S IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEARBY PROPERTIES ARE, UH, IN SUPPORT. UH, WHETHER THE BENEFITS SOUGHT BY THE APPLICANT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY SOME METH, UH, METHOD FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE. OTHER THAN THE AREA OF VARIANCE, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? YOU MEAN, AS ALWAYS, IT'S POSSIBLE TO PUT THE SHED WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, OR WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA? UH, NOT NECESSARILY BETTER, BUT POSSIBLY . UM, WHETHER THE REQUESTED AREA VARIANCE IS SUBSTANTIAL. AGAIN, THAT'S RELATIVE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF FEET THERE. WHETHER THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT OR IMPACT ON THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DISTRICT. I THINK THE ARGUMENT WAS MADE THAT OTHER LOCATIONS WOULD HAVE A MORE DETRIMENTAL EFFECT. AND FINALLY, UM, WHETHER THE ALLEGED DIFFICULTY WAS SELF-CREATED, UM, WHICH WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT EARLIER IN THIS MEETING. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I CAN MAKE A MOTION. UH, CASE NUMBER ZERO SIX DASH 26. JOHN AND KATE BATO [01:10:01] 45 AMHERST DRIVE. SOME MOTION FOR VARIANCE SOUGHT FOR NONCONFORMITY OF A SHED. AS FOLLOWS, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REAR YARD, UH, WHICH IS PROPOSED AT 4.5 FEET, THE REQUIREMENT OF EIGHT FEET PURSUANT TO 2 95 DASH 68 F1 B, THE VARIANCE REQUIREMENT IS 3.5 FEET. NUMBER TWO, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SIDE YARD, WHICH IS PROPOSED AT SEVEN FEET WITH A REQUIREMENT OF EIGHT FEET PURSUANT TO 2 95 DASH 68 F1 C. AND THE VARIANCE REQUIREMENT IS ONE, ONE FOOT. AND THEN WE'LL WANT TO SECOND THAT. I'LL SECOND. ALRIGHT. QUICK ROLL CALL. RICHARD. APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVED APPROVE. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU'RE APPROVED. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, NEXT ORDER [Approval of Minutes ] BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MARCH 26TH MEETING. WHO WAS HERE? ALRIGHT. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, EVERYBODY GOT A QUORUM TO VOTE? WE HAVE A QUORUM TO VOTE. UM, ANY EDITS OR CHANGES OR COMMENTS? UM, WAS I HERE HERE? UH, YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE. I WASN'T HERE. NO, UH, BECAUSE I, I WAS HERE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH. . I I BELIEVE BRETT WAS SITTING THERE LAST TIME. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. BUT I THINK WE STILL HAVE FOUR TO VOTE, RIGHT? THE THREE HERE LAST MONTH WE MIGHT HAVE THREE. YEAH, NO, I CANCELED, BUT IT SAYS I WAS HERE. MAYBE THAT'S SO WE'LL FIX THE MINUTES, BUT SO WE'VE GOT THE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT FOUR, WE'VE GOT THREE. SO WE'RE GOOD. YEAH. BUT THAT I SAY BE A CHANGE, WHICH WAS I DIDN'T ATTEND, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL REMOVE YOU. THANK YOU. SO ALL. SO WITH THAT CHANGE TO THE CORRECT ATTENDANCE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CHANGES? NO. ALRIGHT. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? WITH THAT CHANGE? I'LL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MARCH MEETING. YOU CAN JUST SAY MARCH. MARCH MEETING. I SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT. APPROVE. APPROVE. APPROVED. APPROVE. UH, NOPE. I WASN'T HERE. OH, YOU WEREN'T HERE. RIGHT. GOT IT. ABSTAIN. ABSTAIN. GOT IT. . THREE VOTES TO APPROVE. IT CARRIES. IT CARRIES. UM, NEXT MEETING IS [Announcements] MAY 28TH. AND I THINK ALL WE NEED NOW IS A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. I THINK WE'LL JUST INFORMALLY AGREE TO THAT. . THANK YOU EVERYBODY. SO I WILL NO LONGER BE A RESIDENT OF HASTINGS. NEXT MEETING. OH, SORRY. OH YEAH. REOPENING. I, WE WANNA REOPEN THE RECORD TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. UH, ALTHOUGH BRIEF, UM, ENJOYED HAVING HERE, BRIEFER THAN I THOUGHT WOULD BE, WE, UH, ACCELERATED OUR DESIRE TO A NEED TO, UH, TO MOVE UPSTATE TO A HOUSE THAT WE'VE BEEN RENOVATING FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. AND, UH, PUT OUR HOUSE ON THE MARKET. AND IT'S HAPPENED IN INGS, WE SOLD IN TWO DAYS. WOW. WOW. UH, A LOT FASTER THAN WE THOUGHT. AND, UH, BE SAD LEAVING THIS TOWN AFTER 28 YEARS. WOW. WOW. WHERE ARE YOU GOING? UH, NEAR COBANK, NEW YORK. IN COLUMBIA COUNTY. OH. OH YEAH. MY AUNT HAS A HOUSE AT CO LAKE. YEAH, IT'S BEAUTIFUL THERE. NICE. UM, ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, AGAIN, PRECIOUS WANNA ADD TO THE, TO THE MINUTES, UH, RECOGNITION AND APPRECIATION FOR YOU. WE WILL, WE WILL MISS YOU AND WE'LL BE BACK TO BEING SHORT. WE HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER, ANOTHER MEMBER. UM, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANKS EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. GOSH, YOU ARE THE HARD COPIES OF YOUR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.