* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:32] . HELLO EVERYBODY, AND WELCOME [I. ROLL CALL] TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING FOR JULY 16TH, 2026. CHAIR OLI GOOD IS AWAY. SO I WILL BE CHEERING TONIGHT'S MEETING. MARY ELLEN, CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL ACTING CHAIRPERSON? PATRICK DIGGINS, PRESENT CHAIRPERSON. EVA ALLGOOD IS ABSENT. BOARD MEMBER RICHARD BASS HERE. BOARD MEMBER DANIEL BERKOVITZ. HERE. BOARD MEMBER ANJALI CHEN IS ABSENT. BOARD MEMBER DAVID GUNTON. HERE. BOARD MEMBER LISA BECK. KIM HERE. PLANNING CONSULTANT. PATRICK CLEARY. HERE. VILLAGE ATTORNEY LINDA WHITEHEAD. HERE BUILDING INSPECTOR CHARLES MOZZI HERE. THANK YOU. COUNT . DO YOU WANT TO MINUTES? YES. UH, NEXT WE HAVE THE MINUTES. UH, REALLY, UH, AS OF YESTERDAY, WE DID NOT HAVE THE, WE, MY UNDERSTANDING, WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT MIX OF BOARD MEMBERS TO APPROVE EITHER SET, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, THEN WE'RE, UH, THEN WE'RE MOVING ON. WE HAVE ONE HEARING [IV. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS] THIS EVENING, THE VIEW PRESERVATION ADVISORY APPLICATION OF MAX NOTTO FOR VIEW PRESERVATION ADVISORY UNDER SECTION 2 95 DASH 82 TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A 90 SQUARE FOOT SECOND FLOOR ADDITION ABOVE THE EXISTING FIRST FLOOR OF A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING LOCATED AT 65 WASHINGTON AVENUE. SAID PROPERTY IS IN AN MR 1.5 ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL FOUR POINT 70 51 11 ON THE VILLAGE TAX MAP WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT. HI, MY NAME IS GABRIEL SEA. I'M THE ARCHITECT REPRESENTING MATT AND UH, LINDSAY HERE. UM, SO AS DESCRIBED, WE ARE PROPOSING A 90 SQUARE FEET ADDITION TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THEIR, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, TWO FAMILY RESIDENCE PART OF THE PROJECT TO CONVERT THIS, THIS HOUSE BACK TO A ONE FAMILY. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE HOUSE IS LOCATED HERE ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE, JUST FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM THE AQUEDUCT. UM, YOU'LL SEE WHEN I, WHEN I PULLED THE PHOTOS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WASHINGTON, AS WE PROBABLY ALL KNOW, IS A VERY, IS A VERY STEEP INCLINE. UM, SO THE HOUSE HAS FOUR HOUSES, GOT THE, YOU KNOW, STEPPING UP FROM IT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE, UM, TO THE AQUEDUCT. AND, UM, ALSO IN THIS SLIDE I HAVE, UM, THE, UM, PHOTO MAP OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE DID THE BEFORE AND AFTER TO, UH, REPRESENT WHAT THE ADDITION WILL IMPACT OR NOT TO PUBLIC, UH, EXPERIENCE. UM, JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE FLOOR PLANS AS AS THEY EXIST RIGHT NOW. UH, BASEMENT IS A, IT'S A SEPARATE UNIT THAT HAS AN ACCESS FROM THE BACK AND FROM THE, UH, BOTTOM OF THE PORTION, YOU KNOW, THE WASHINGTON AVENUES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE. UM, YOU HAVE A SMALL, TWO SMALL BEDROOMS, A LIVING ROOM, SMALL KITCHEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE BASEMENT UNIT, THE FIRST FLOOR UNIT. AS YOU COME THROUGH THE PORCH, YOU HAVE A STA THAT LEADS YOU UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR. YOU HAVE TWO BEDROOMS AND ON THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR YOU HAVE A KITCHEN ON THE, UH, UPPER AND LEFT SIDE AND UM, AND A SMALL BEDROOM ON THE RIGHT SIDE. AND THEN A DINING ROOM AND A LIVING IN THE LIVING ROOM ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, BISECTED BY THE STAIR. UM, SO WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO THIS PROJECT IS ADD A STAIR THAT CONNECTS THE BASEMENT TO THE FIRST FLOOR TO CONVERT THE HOUSE INTO A SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN ADD A, A, A BATHROOM, A HALLWAY, BATHROOM TO THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT'S ROUGHLY EIGHT BY NINE, UM, UH, FEET. AND UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE FOR, UH, THE VIEW PRESERVATION AS THE, AS THE HOUSES WITHIN THE VIEW PRESERVATION, UM, DISTRICT GABRIEL. CAN, CAN I JUST SAY, SO ARE YOU REMOVING THE KITCHEN FROM THAT LOWER THE UNIT? YES, WE ARE. OKAY. UM, THEN, UH, HAVE ELEVATIONS SHOWING HERE, UH, OF THE BACK AND SIDES OF THE HOUSE. THE WEST ELEVATION IS THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS AS YOU ARE IN THE DRIVEWAY. UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T PUT THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO REALLY CHANGE. AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE, ON THE PHOTO STUDY, THERE IS NO REALLY CHANGE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE, TO THE FACE OF THE HOUSE AND THEN SHOWING WHERE THE ADDITION IS GETTING, UM, PLACED. UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, IT'S LIKE A DORMER, UH, UM, ATTACHING TO THE EXISTING ROOF. AND, UM, AND THEN PROJECTING, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ABOUT EIGHT, EIGHT FOOT SIX I BELIEVE FROM THE FACE OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND AGAIN, JUST A SECTION TO SHOW, UH, [00:05:01] HOW WE ARE, ARE PROPOSING THIS ADDITION. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO CAN, UH, APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING OVER THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING ROOF RIDGE AND THEN THE, THE FOREST STUDIES. UM, THE FIRST STUDY HERE ON THE NUMBER ONE, YOU SEE THE, THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET, THERE IS NO REALLY CHANGE THE WHAT'S HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM, IT'S THE AFTER THE IMPROVEMENT, RIGHT? OR, UH, SO THERE'S NO REALLY CHANGE, UH, TO THE, TO THE, UH, FROM THE AVENUE SIDE. UM, FOR THE STUDY NUMBER TWO SHOWS FROM THE BACK, WHICH IS FROM THE, THE, UH, OWNER'S BACK PROPERTY FROM THEIR BACKYARD. YOU SEE THE ADDITION ADDED THERE AS IN THE WHITE BOX, THE SAME THING ON THE STUDY NUMBER THREE, AND THE STUDY FOUR, FIVE AND SIX. THERE IS NO REALLY CHANGE TO, UM, WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE STREETS AGAIN, FROM WASHINGTON. THIS VIEW ON, ON NUMBER FIVE IS AS IF YOU ARE CROSSING WASHINGTON, UH, AT THE AQUEDUCT, UH, POINT. AND THEN NUMBER SIX IS IF YOU ARE IN THE AQUEDUCT TRYING TO LOOK TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, YOU, YOU BASICALLY DON'T, DON'T EVEN SEE THE, THE, THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO VISIBILITY AND VEGETATION REALLY COVERS THAT. AND, AND THE, AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE NEXT TO IT, BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE, AND THE AQUEDUCT, THEY ARE, THEY'RE IN A HIGHER ELEVATION. SO THEY, THEY OBSCURE THE, THE HOUSE ALTOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT I HAD. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, JUST ON THE, ON THE PREVIOUS STUDY SLIDE, UM, DO THREE, CAN YOU ZOOM IN THERE? LEMME SEE IF I CAN DO THIS HERE. SORRY, LEMME JUST GET OVER HERE. THE PROPOSED CONDITION. SURE. HAVE, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TO WHAT EXTENT, IF ANY, THE VIEW FROM THAT WINDOW THERE AND THE, FROM THE, THE HILL IS OBSTRUCTED FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY? YEAH. YES. YEAH, THE, THE, THE ADDITION WOULD COVER OR PARTIALLY COVER SOME OF THE VIEW OF THE, OF THE, OF THE WINDOW. OKAY. DID YOU PROVIDE ANY VIEWS FROM THAT WINDOW? WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO, IT IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. UH, WE DID SEND NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROJECT AND I BELIEVE THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM, SPOKEN WITH THEM LAST NIGHT. COULD YOU COME UP AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? THANK YOU. , YOU'LL NEED TO GIVE, UH, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, MAX NODO 65 WASHINGTON. UM, BUT WE, WE, UH, SPOKE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, LAST NIGHT AS WELL TO TO TALK THROUGH IT. UM, AND THEY DIDN'T EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS WITH THE, WITH THE PARTIAL VIEW BLOCK THERE. UM, THEIR OPINION AS WELL IS THAT, UH, THE TREES, UM, ALREADY OBSCURE ALL THE VIEW. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF THE MOST TO THE EXTENT OF OUR CONVERSATION. SO BEYOND YOUR HOUSE, THE TREE IS OBSCURE, THE VIEW? YES. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S VISIBLE. LIKE, HOLD ON. AND LAST NIGHT WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU, YOU'VE ENGAGED THEM? UH, AFTER WE FOLLOWED UP, AFTER SENDING THE NOTICE OUT TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THEY WERE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE MOST BECAUSE IMPACTED BY THIS. AND YOU DIDN'T TAKE PICTURES FROM YOUR ENGAGEMENT, UH, OF LAST NIGHT? UH, NO. WE COULD FOLLOW UP AND SEE NORMALLY, UH, THAT'S ONE OF OUR, OUR DECISION MAKING, YOU KNOW, FACTS AND THAT, UH, SENDING NOTICE AND HAVING A CONVERSATION THE NIGHT BEFORE A HEARING AND NOT HAVING ANY PICTURES OF WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE OR EVEN ALLOWING SOMEONE FROM THE BOARD TO, TO VISIT THAT SITE. UH, WE SPENT ACTUALLY TOO MUCH TIME LOOKING OUT PEOPLE'S WINDOWS AND YOU PROVIDE NOTHING, UM, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UH, HEARSAY THAT THEY HAVE NO IMPACT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON HEARSAY WITHOUT HAVING ANY EVIDENCE. I MEAN, ON, THEY DID GET NOTICE, SO THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE IF THEY OBJECTED. WHO RECEIVED THE NOTICE? THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OR, OR THE TENANTS OF THE PRO OF THE PROPERTY? BOTH. SO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY RECEIVED THE MAILING NOTICE AND THEN WE STOPPED BY IN PERSON TO HAND OVER A MAILED COPY AS WELL TO THE, THE RESIDENTS THERE. WHEN DID THAT OCCUR? THAT WAS THE FOLLOW UP LAST NIGHT. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK LESS THAN 24 HOURS IS ADEQUATE NOTICE FOR PEOPLE. THE TENANTS DIDN'T GET THE NOTICE. THE OWNER GOT THE NOTICE. THE TENANTS JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. YEAH. OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE OWNER DID NOT INFORM THE RESIDENCE THERE. THE OBLIGATION IS TO NOTIFY THE OWNER. I UNDERSTAND. NOT THE TENANT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THE, YEAH, I THINK THE OTHER PHOTO THAT YOU HAVE THAT, I MEAN, YOU'VE TRIED TO SAY THAT THE TREES THAT ARE SORT OF BELOW YOUR HOUSE, PROBABLY ALONG THE AQUEDUCT. YEAH, SIR. I'M CHA BELOW SURE. FIND THAT. WHICH, WHICH PHOTO ARE YOU? UM, UH, LIKE DO THEY HAVE A VIEW THAT WOULD BE OBSTRUCTED? I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION. THIS ONE FROM FIVE, THAT [00:10:01] WAS FROM WHAT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEIR DESCRIPTION OF THE BEDROOM. UH, WE DIDN'T TAKE GO UP THERE AND TAKE A PHOTO, BUT THAT TREE LINE EXTENDS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE TREES THAT ARE DOWN THERE, THE TREES THAT ARE DOWN THERE. AND THERE'S ALSO THE OTHER HOUSE IS TALL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BACK OF THAT HOUSE BELOW US ALREADY EXTENDS, YOU KNOW, FURTHER OUT THAN OURS DOES. AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN YOUR EXTENSION AND THEIR WINDOW IS, UM, I WOULD SAY, LET ME JUST PULL UP MY PLAN. UM, I WOULD SAY IT'S ABOUT 16 FEET. 16, 16 FEET ONE, SIX. THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T BLOCK A NORTHWEST FACING VIEW FROM THAT WINDOW. AND THEY HAVE REAR WINDOWS AS WELL. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A, THIS IS A SUMMER VIEW. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF OF THE WINTER VIEW. WINTER VIEW. YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT WINDOW IS A BEDROOM OR A LIVING ROOM. WHAT, WHAT'S THE, IT'S A BEDROOM. HOW MANY BEDROOMS DOES THAT UNIT HAVE? THAT, THAT ONE WILL BE BLOCKED, I BELIEVE. JUST THAT ONE. OH, BUT THE, THE BEDROOM HAS ALSO A WINDOW THAT FACES NORTH, AS YOU CAN SEE, HAS TWO. UH, ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST CURIOUS, HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN THAT BUILDING? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND? I, I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND. IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN THE SINGLE APARTMENT THOUGH. I BELIEVE SO. YEAH. UM, THERE, THE TENANT IDENTIFY YOURSELF, , MARY ELLEN BALLANTINE, UH, THE TENANTS HAVE THE ENTIRE HOUSE. UM, AND IT'S THREE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. YOU'LL TELL US AFTERWARDS HOW YOU KNOW THAT ? YEAH, BECAUSE SHE KNOWS THEM. TASTINGS, . UH, WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK RICHARD IS, IS SORT OF HINTING AT AN OPINION. ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR, OR OBJECTIONS OR OPINIONS FROM THE BOARD? I GUESS IDEALLY IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO EITHER SEE, UH, VIEWS FROM THE, THE WINDOW THAT IS POTENTIALLY OBSTRUCTED, I THINK AS ALL, AS WELL AS VIEWS FROM THE OTHER WINDOWS FROM THAT BUILDING. I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE ALL THE VIEWS THE BUILDING HAS AND IF IT'S JUST THIS ONE THAT'S OBSTRUCTED, I THINK THAT'S POTENTIAL POTENTIALLY RELEVANT. OR IF THE OWNER WERE, IF THE OWNER WILL NOT GRANT ACCESS TO, UM, FURNISH THOSE VIEWS, THEN A LETTER FROM THE OWNER SAYING, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY COMING IN. SO WE KNOW THAT'S NOT AN OPTION. UM, OR A LETTER SAYING THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION OR A LETTER. THEY'RE NOT SAYING THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION. YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THEIR, IT'S NOT, IT'S OUR DECISION. IT'S NOT THE OWNER'S DECISION. SO, BUT I, ANY OF THE ABOVE I THINK WOULD PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. AND, UH, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IDEALLY. ALRIGHT. IS THAT WINDOW, DOES IT LINE, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THIS ANGLE. IS IT ACTUALLY LINED UP WITH THE ADDITION OR IS IT BEHIND IT IT LOOKS LIKE? WELL, IT'S PARTIALLY IT, I THINK IT, IT PROJECTS PAST THE CORNER OF THE ADDITION. OKAY. SO PARTIALLY IN THE WINDOW IT WILL BE COVERED BY, BY THE ADDITION. SO THE, THE VIEW FROM THAT WINDOW, WHATEVER VIEW THEY HAVE, WHICH WE DON'T, AND I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY HAVE A VIEW OF THE RIVER IN THE PALISADES. WE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT. WE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT. UM, BUT EVEN IF THEY DID, IT WOULD ONLY BE PARTIALLY BLOCKED. THAT'S CORRECT. BY THE ADDITION, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. IT MAY BE HELPFUL JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE VIEW STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED RECENTLY. UM, THESE SORTS OF MATTERS JUST TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT'S, THERE HAS BEEN SOME VIEWS SUBMITTED FROM THAT BUILDING? NO, NO, NO, NO. JUST IN GENERAL, THE SORTS OF STUDIES THAT ARE TYPICALLY INCLUDED. I'M SORRY, JUST FOR EXAMPLES OF THE SORTS OF STUDIES THAT ARE TYPICALLY INCLUDED. YEAH, TYPICALLY THE VIEW IS, IS FROM, UM, THE, UH, THE PERSPECTIVE WHERE THE, THE CONCERN IS ABOUT THE OBSTRUCTION, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE, WELL, I I I WAS FOCUSING ON THE PUBLIC VIEW, NOT MUCH OF THE PRIVATE, UH, NEIGHBORS AROUND UHHUH, YOU KNOW, RELYING ON THE NOTICES THAT WERE SENT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, UH, DID, UH, CONTACT THE HOMEOWNERS TO UH, UH, SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING. UM, BUT YEAH, IF WE, IF WE NEED TO CONTACT THE NEIGHBOR, WE WILL CONTACT THE NEIGHBOR AND EITHER GET A LETTER, NO OBJECTION, OR DO A, A ABUSE STUDY. THAT'S WHAT THE DEPARTMENT IS. AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THEY'LL LET YOU TO GET PICTURES FROM THAT WINDOW SO WE CAN SEE WHAT VIEW, IF ANY, THEY HAVE AND PICTURES FROM THE OTHER WINDOWS IF THEY HAVE OTHER VIEWS FROM OTHER WINDOWS. I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT FOR THE ANALYSIS. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. THERE'S NO OTHER WINDOW FACING THE BUILDING ON THAT. IT'S JUST THAT ONE. SO NO, THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT WERE, BUT THERE'S WINDOWS ON THE NORTH. I DON'T [00:15:01] KNOW IF THE BACK FACING WINDOWS ALSO HAVE VIEWS. THOSE HAVE VIEWS LOOKING NORTH, YOU WANNA SEE THE WINDOWS ON THOSE WINDOWS. I I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER, IF OTHER THERE ARE VIEWS OF THE PALISADES FROM OTHER WINDOWS. RIGHT. THEN I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE SORT OF TOTAL, IS THAT AN AIR CONDITIONER IN THAT WINDOW THERE? IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE REMOVED THE AIR VIEW ANYWAY. YEAH, THEY'VE BLOCKED THEIR OWN VEHICLE. WELL, I MEAN WE ALL, UNLESS YOU HAVE A CENTRAL, YOU DON'T HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BLOCK SOME OF YOUR VIEW. THAT'S TRUE. UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, UH, UNFORTUNATE THAT THE, THE LANDLORD IN THIS CASE DIDN'T CONTACT HIS TENANTS BEFORE YESTERDAY. IT WAS GOOD OF YOU TO GO THERE AND INTERACT WITH THEM. AND, UM, IF, IF THEY TRULY DON'T OBJECT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY MATTERS. IT TAKES ITS, IT HAS WEIGHT, UH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE I THINK THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT ANYBODY'S VIEW. IT'S, UH, I GUESS WE ARE, I GUESS EVERYBODY'S EXPRESSED A CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE TENANTS OF THAT BUILDING AND THEIR VIEW FROM THAT WINDOW. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'D LIKE IS FOR, FOR PHOTOS FROM THAT WINDOW, UM, SO THAT WE CAN CON CONFIRM THAT IT'S A PRETTY SMALL ADDITION. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA, I KNOW VERY SMALL. IT'S VERY SMALL. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO ADD INTO SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION. IF YOU IN THE PLAN VIEW HAVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND YOU CAN LOCATE YOUR ADDITION AND THE LOCATION OF THAT WINDOW AND PROXIMITY TO IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE HELPFUL FOR ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND CAN YOU SHOW US THAT ELEVATION OF THAT TOO? WHAT, WHAT'S THAT BACK WALL OF THE ADDITION DOING? IS IT FLAT? IS IT, DOES IT PEAK TO A ROOF? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? AND IT'S A FLAT, IT'S A FLAT. IT'S FLAT. IT'S FLAT, YEAH. YEAH, IT IS A BATHROOM, RIGHT? YEAH. I SEE. YEAH. UM, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE NEIGHBORING BUILDING HERE, BUT, UH, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN OVERLAY, TRY TO FIGURE WHERE THE WINDOW IS. YEAH. THAT WORKPLACE. BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MINOR ADDITION, BUT THIS BOARD HAS WRESTLED WITH VIEWS AND, AND THE LACK OF INFORMATION, UH, MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE. SO I, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FEEL. I DO THINK IT'S, I THINK SOMEONE SUGGESTED THIS, BUT, UM, THIS SEEMS LIKE A, IT'S, IT'S UNUSUAL FOR THERE TO BE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S AN IMPACT ON A VIEW AND THERE AREN'T, UH, OTHER PEOPLE, UM, SITTING HERE ADDRESSING AN OPINION ABOUT IT. AND SO, UH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING SITUATION. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH, I THINK IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO, TO BRING AN ADDITIONAL VIEW STUDY FROM THAT WINDOW, THAT'S GREAT. UM, BUT IN EITHER CASE, I THINK A LETTER FROM THE OWNER, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSING, UM, THEIR SUPPORT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOTABLE THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS RICHARD SAID, IT'S SORT OF HEARSAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO HAVE CONFIRMATION OF THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S FRANKLY SO RARE FOR THERE TO BE A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS AN EVEN PARTIAL OBSTRUCTION AND THERE ISN'T AN OBJECTION. YEAH, RIGHT. WELL, THEY'RE NOT LIVING THERE ARE THEY THOUGH? I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YEAH. THEIR INVESTMENT IS NOT LIKE THE TENANTS IN THE VIEW. I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE AGREEMENT. WE'D LIKE YOU TO COME BACK WITH, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, SOME ADDITIONAL VIEW STUDIES FROM THE NEIGHBORS, UH, BUILDING, UH, AND OR, YOU KNOW, UH, CONFIRMATION THAT THEY DIDN'T GUARANTEE ACCESS OR, OR THAT THEY DON'T OBJECT TO THE PROJECT. UH, I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, NEXT MONTH, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S A SMALL ADDITION AND OBVIOUSLY NONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WOULD OBJECT. SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A LONG TERM ISSUE, BUT I THINK THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD JUST FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE MM-HMM . THE LACK OF VIEWS. THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON IT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. UNLESS WE HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? WE HAVE NO OTHER MATTERS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. I'M SORRY, ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION THERE. YEAH, SURE. FROM THE OWNER OR FROM PRESIDENT? OH, GREAT QUESTION. EITHER BOTH. YEAH, I THINK I, I WOULD SAY I, I FEEL LIKE THE PHOTOS, PHOTOS FROM THAT WINDOW WOULD BE MOST IMPORTANT. AND THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ADDITION WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOW ARE PROBABLY THE TWO THINGS THAT WE MOST HELPFUL. BUT ALSO ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE TENANTS AND THE OWNER. THE LAW REQUIRES THAT, UM, THE VIEW PRESERVATION LAW BASICALLY REQUIRES THAT THIS BOARD HAS TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT HAS THE MINIMUM IMPACT ON THE VIEW OR BLOCKS THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF THE VIEW. SO THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT VIEW IS. ALRIGHT. YEAH. IT'S A DIFFICULT LAW TO ENFORCE AND WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT. AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY HARD ON OTHER, [00:20:01] OTHER APPLICATIONS. I MEAN, REASONABLY, I WOULD SAY, BUT WE WANNA JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT. AND I'D RECOMMEND ONE MORE ITEM. SO OFTENTIMES THE BOARD WILL ASK AN APPLICANT TO BUILD A MOCKUP OF HOW BIG THE FACILITY, WE DIDN'T NEED THIS IN THIS CASE, BUT IF YOU COULD TAPE OUT ON THE ROOF WHERE THE EDGE OF THAT SPACE WOULD BE WHEN YOU TAKE THE PICTURES SO WE GET A SENSE OF, OF WHERE THE, THE EDGE WOULD BE. AND IS THERE ANY EXAMPLES WE CAN SEE OF PRIOR? YES. YEAH. YOU, YOU'VE SEEN SOME, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU'VE DONE SOME ? YEAH. UM, THE MOST RECENT, WELL WE DID THE MOST RECENT ONES LAST YEAR WERE THE WASHINGTON MU BAND, BUT THOSE, THAT WAS A BIG PROJECT. THAT'S A BIG ONE. YEAH. AND THEN THE, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SMALLER ONES. THE YOUTH PROJECT WILL GIVE YOU A SENSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WERE PICTURES FROM THE WINDOWS WHERE THE VIEW IS IMPACTED. THEY DID PHYSICAL MOCKUPS AND SOME DIGITAL MOCKUPS. THAT'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN WE NEED HERE, BUT IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW OTHER APPLICANTS HAVE APPROACHED IT. AND, AND IF YOU GO UP AND GET, YOU KNOW, ARE ABLE TO GET TO THAT WINDOW AND SEE THERE IS NO VIEW. THAT'S THE SIMPLEST. YEAH. IF THERE'S NO VIEW TO BE BLOCKED, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE OTHER HOUSES WERE ALREADY BLOCKING IT, IN PARTICULAR, IF IT'S JUST THE TREES, THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER BECAUSE IT'S A SUMMER VIEW. YEAH, YOU MIGHT, THERE MIGHT BE A WINTER VIEW ON, ON THAT NOTE. UH, DO WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK HERE? IF, IF WE TAKE PHOTOS AND PROVE THAT THERE IS NO VIEW, CAN WE JUST SEND THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION TO, UH, JUST TO GAIN SPEED ON THEIR SCHEDULE? NO, THIS BOARD, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO VOTE. WHAT, UH, THIS, THIS IS A, WE HAVE TO VOTE AND IT HAS TO BE IN A PUBLIC HEARING. CAN'T BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION FROM ANYBODY UNDERSTAND, OR, OR AN APPROVAL IF A CONDITION, YEAH, TRY TO GO NOW, . SORRY. UM, MAKE SURE YOU TAKE PICTURES WHEN THE SKY IS FULL OF CANADIAN WILD FILES. SO THAT'LL HELP YOU ALL. SORRY, BUT WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THERE MAY NOT BE NO ZONING BOARD MEETING. HMM? IS THERE A ZONING BOARD MEETING NEXT WEEK? I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT AS SOON AS THIS IS DONE. OKAY. SO THERE THEY MAY NOT LOSE ANY TIME. OH, GREAT. THAT'S GOOD. . UH, OKAY. UH, MOTION. A MOTION TO ADJOURN. NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 20TH. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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