* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] BOARD MEETING OF [I.ROLL CALL] SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026. UM, CHARLES, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? SURE. CHAIRPERSON. EVA ALLGOOD. HERE. MEMBER DAVE TON HERE. MEMBER TOM. UH, SPIRE ALTERNATE? NOT, UH, NOT HERE. UH, PATRICK DIGGINS HERE. AND JOLIE CHAN? HERE. DANIELLE OVITZ NOT HERE, RIGHT? NO, HE'S NOT. BECK KIM? NOT PRESENT TONIGHT. LINDA WHITEHEAD, VILLAGE ATTORNEY HERE AND VILLAGE PLANNER. PATRICK CLEARY HERE. AND BUILDING INSPECTOR CHARLES OZZI. I AM HERE. YOU FORGOT. WOULD I REMEMBER RICHARD BASS? WHO'S, OH, I FORGOT. RICHARD . RICHARD BASS ON HIS WAY. I THINK THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, NEXT [II.APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR AUGUST 20TH, UH, MEETING. AND I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE I TURN TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. UM, SO ON PAGE FIVE, UH, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH AT THE END THAT SAYS THE SLOPE IS GOING TO BE HEATED WITH A STEEP SLOPE STABILIZATION EROSION CONTROL MIX. CLEARLY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED NOT HEATED OR SEATED. OR SEATED. SEATED SEATED. OKAY. UM, THEN ON PAGE 12 WHERE I'M SPEAKING, IT SAYS, WELL, WE CAN'T PUT CONDITIONS ON THE PROJECT REQUIRING A CERTAIN TYPE OF PLANTING. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, I CERTAINLY SAID WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS MARK ON THE PROJECT FOR ME. HMM. YOU'RE GONNA MARK THAT UP FOR ME. I'LL GIVE IT TO MARY. SURE, SURE. I CAN HAND THIS TO YOU WHEN THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. AND THEN I SEE THEY PROBABLY WILL FIGURE THIS OUT WHEN THEY DO THE REVISIONS TO THE MINUTES, BUT, UM, TWICE WHEN BOARD BOARD MEMBER KIM WAS SPEAKING, SHE REFERS TO THE, IT SAYS HERE, GAINES XX ASKS, 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE WAS SAYING, BUT THAT'S THE GINSBURG GARDEN OR THE GINSBURG PARK. UM, SO THAT'S REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND THEN ALSO FEMALE VOICE. THAT'S ATTORNEY WHITEHEAD RIGHT AFTER THAT. UM, SPEAKING AND THEN ALSO FURTHER DOWN ON THAT PAGE, UH, WHERE I SAY, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. KAREN, THERE'S NO KAREN ON THE BOARD. THAT SHOULD BE LISA. SHE JUST SPOKE. UM, AND THEN I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE. NO, TWO MORE. UM, ON PAGE 21, IT SAYS THAT AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PARAGRAPH, WHEN MICHAEL WHEELER, THE LICENSED ARBORIST IS SPEAKING, THE THIRD SENT 1, 2, 3 FOURTH SENTENCE SAYS THE TREE SHOULD BE PERSEVERED. OBVIOUSLY THAT SHOULD BE, BE PRESERVED. UM, THE, THE TREE THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED IS ACTUALLY ON CITY PROPERTY. AND THEN THE FINAL THING I CAUGHT WAS ON PAGE 67 TOWARDS THE END, UM, THE ENGINEER. IT SAYS JIM GIBBONS ENGINEERING, THAT'S JIM GIBBONS. G-I-B-B-O-N-S. SO THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT I CAUGHT DO. ALSO, THERE'S UM, A NUMBER OF PLACES WHERE MEMBER DIGGINS IS REFERRED TO AS ACTING CHAIR. YES. DIGGINS. WHICH IS PROBABLY LEFT OVER FROM FROM THE . EVERY SINGLE TIME HE'S YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THESE WEREN'T CHECKED BY . RIGHT. BUT NO, I KNOW WAS OUT. SO THESE WEREN'T CHECKED. SO THESE ARE THE REALLY ROUGH, ROUGH DRAFT. YEAH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I DID WANT TO JUST YEAH, I HAD FOUND THAT. I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT. YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA TAKE THESE IN THERE? YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, SO WITH THAT, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOROUGH REVEAL . 71 PAGES OF MINUTES THIS TIME. IT WAS A LONG MEETING. UM, SO WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 20 I AMEND AS AMENDED. YES. SO MOVED. SECONDED. SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SEE UNANIMOUS. OKAY, THOSE ARE APPROVED. UM, SO OUR, UH, WELL I ACTUALLY WANT TO JUST ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP FROM A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THE LAST MEETING. THIS HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES. I UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY ON EVENINGS. LIKE LAST TIME WHERE WE HAD A PACKED ROOM, LITERALLY STANDING ROOM ONLY, THAT'S A CONSTRAINT OF THIS SPACE. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, A LOT OF AGENDA ITEMS. THERE WERE SOME TIMES WHERE PEOPLE WERE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY COULDN'T HEAR. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST REITERATE THAT IF SOMEBODY TOWARDS THE BACK CAN'T HEAR, PLEASE JUST RAISE YOUR HAND. 'CAUSE WE ARE TAKING NOTE OF THAT AND WE'LL JUST KNOW TO LEAN IN CLOSER TO THE, UM, [00:05:01] MICROPHONES OR DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. I KNOW THERE'S ALSO, THERE WAS THE REQUEST TO ANGLE THE, UM, SCREEN THAT'S BEEN DONE THIS EVENING. SO I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, WE, WE KNOW THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS ON THIS ROOM, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST. UM, IF YOU JUST SIGNAL, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO, UM, SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE IF THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. AND AGAIN, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN THE ROOM IS PACKED, BUT WE'LL TRY OUR BEST. UM, OKAY. SO WITH THAT, OUR [III.OLD PUBLIC HEARINGS] FIRST MATTER OF THE EVENING IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION OF RTB WASHINGTON LLC FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, CREATING ONE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH 20 PARKING SPACES AND A PUBLIC ACCESS MUSE ON TWO EXISTING BUILDING LOTS LOCATED AT NINE DASH 17 WASHINGTON AVENUE. SAID, PROPERTY IS IN THE MRC ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4 7 0 DASH 48 DASH 37 AND 38 ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS. UM, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, UM, ON THE STAIRS AND THE AREA LEADING DOWN FROM THE PROJECT TO THE VILLAGE LOT. UM, AND WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT SOME MODIFICATION. SO, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT LED TO BRIEFLY UPDATE US ON ANY CHANGES MADE AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. SURE. HAPPY TO. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF. MY NAME IS JACOB AMIR. IT'S AARON AND STEINMETZ. UM, CHRISTINA GRIFFIN AT CJ ARCHITECT. CAN CAN PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN IN A SECOND. UM, AND RICHARD QUIGLEY, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. AND ALSO TALK FOR A MINUTE. I JUST WANNA GIVE A VERY BRIEF RECAP. I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST TIME. I HEARD IT WAS A RUM AND I HEARD THERE WERE THINGS GOING ON. SO IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD APPEARED BEFORE YOUR BOARD, BEFORE THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IN THE JULY MEETING, THEN CAME BACK TO YOUR BOARD. UM, THE, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, I THINK THE BOARD IS COVERED, UM, THE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT OR SITE SIDE OF THIS PROJECT. AND LAST COUPLE TIMES WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE HILLSIDE AT THE ZOR PARKING LOT. UM, SO, AND, AND I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VILLAGE ABOUT WHAT THEY MAY WANT, WHAT THEY MAY BE INTERESTED IN. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND CHRISTINA CAN PUT UP IN A SECOND. BUT ESSENTIALLY, AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY CREATIVE LANDSCAPING SORT OF DESIGN WHERE THE PORTA JOHN, THE, UH, THE BOOKS AND THE CLOTHING BIN ARE WILL WE PROPOSE AND WE'LL DISCUSS WITH THE VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AS PART OF THE EASEMENT PROCESS. UM, ON THE SIDE OF HILLSIDE TO THE EAST OF THE STAIRWELL, THE STAIRWELL IS THE SAME CONFIGURATION AS YOU'VE SEEN IT, BUT THERE WILL BE A BENCH AT THE BASE AND A BENCH AT THE MIDPOINT. UM, LIGHTING WILL BE AT THE STAIRS ILLUMINATED, UM, DARK SKY COMPLIANT. AND THERE WILL BE A, UM, AN ASPHALT OR, OR, OR A PATH, UH, CURB, EXCUSE ME, THAT RUNS ALONG THE, THE THREE BINS IN THE PORTA JOHN AND IN FRONT OF THE STAIRS, WHICH IS HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE. SO WE'VE ACCOMMODATED WHAT, WHAT WE THINK THE VILLAGE IS INTERESTED IN. UM, WE'VE MOVED THE PORTA JOHN AND THE BOOKS BIN AND THE CLOTHING BIN ONTO HILLSIDE IN AN ALCOVE SURROUND WALL SURROUNDED THAT OBVIOUSLY FREE FREES UP PARKING SPACES. THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT ADDS PARKING SPACES AND IT PROVIDES THE, UM, AMENITIES, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THE STAIRWELL IS ILLUMINATED. SO I THINK OVERALL IT COMBINES ALL OF THE, I THINK, CONCERNS AND THE ELEMENTS AND RETAINS THE ESSENTIAL NATURE OF THE MUSE, WHICH IS AN ACCESS POINT DOWN TO Z PARKING LOT AND TO THE METRO NORTH. SO IT'S A, YOU KNOW, I I I MEAN, JUST I, I'LL JUST REITERATE I SAW IT. I, I IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT CREATIVE DESIGN. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT, WE CAN PULL IT UP. SURE. PLEASE DO. CHRISTINA, YOU THANK YOU, JUDGE. OKAY. MY NAME'S CHRISTINA GRIFFIN. I'M A PRINCIPAL OF CJ STUDIO ARCHITECT. UH, THIS IS OUR LATEST PLAN SHOWING THE STEPS GOING UP TO THE MUSE. UM, THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DEVELOPED BY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UH, RICHARD, UH, QUICKLY. SO [00:10:01] HE'S GOING TO, UH, TAKE YOU THROUGH THE DRAWINGS, RICHARD. SURE. UM, THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE THERE IS, UH, COMING FROM THE MUSE, UM, STEPPING DOWN TO A PLATFORM, THEN TO ANOTHER SET OF STEPS, THEN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S ANOTHER PLATFORM WITH A BENCH, AND THEN ANOTHER SET OF STEPS GOING DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. THE WAY THAT THE STEPS ARE OFF ALIGNED IS DELIBERATE. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU STAND AT THE BOTTOM OF SET OF STEPS AND YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT UP AND THERE'S NO JOGS BACK AND FORTH, IT COULD SEEM A LITTLE OVERWHELMING. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE DESIGN OVERVIEW OF WHY THE CONFIGURATION TOOK PLACE. AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A STEP THAT'S HANDICAP A BENCH THAT'S HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE, UM, AND, UH, WILL EVENTUALLY TIE INTO, UM, WHATEVER THE FUTURE IS DONE IN TERMS OF TYING INTO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. AND IT'S FLUSH WITH THE PARKING LOT AT THE BOTTOM AS WELL. SO A PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR OR A PERSON'S HANDICAP COULD EASILY MANEUVER TO GET TO THE BENCH AND SIT THERE, UM, DURING FARMER'S MARKET OR WHATEVER. UM, BASICALLY, UH, THREE FLOWERING DOGWOODS, WHICH, UH, ARE NATIVES, WHERE OUR WHOLE IDEA HERE WAS ALL NATIVE PLANTS. SO WE HAVE NATIVE PLANTS IN TERMS OF THEIR TREES, THE SHRUBS AND THE PERENNIALS THAT ARE POLLINATOR, UH, ATTRACT. UM, THE OVERALL SLOPE IS GONNA BE DONE BY SOIL EROSION, SEDIMENTATION CONTROL, EROSION CONTROL MIX. IT TURNS INTO A VERY, VERY NICE AND ATTRACTIVE LOOKING, UM, VEGETATION COVER. UM, IT WILL BE SEEDED, IT'LL BE COVERED WITH JUDE MESH, WHICH IS A MESH THAT COVERS AND KEEPS THE SOIL IN PLACE. UM, AND MOTHER NATURE TAKES ITS PATH. THANK YOU. UM, I, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE TRUSTEES WHEN THEY BROUGHT, KICKED IT BACK TO US, IS JUST THE, THE, WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE NUMBER OF TREES, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT DOING THAT WELL, BUT REMOVING THEM COULD BE PROBLEMATIC IN THE INTERIM UNTIL THINGS GROW. SO COULD YOU DESCRIBE HOW THE SLOPE WILL BE STABILIZED? YEAH. UM, WE HAD, UM, OUR ARBORIST CONSULTANT ARBORIST HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, AND HE EXPLAINED THAT THE CONDITION OF THE TREES, THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT SLOPE THAT'S WORTH SAVING. THEY'RE DANGEROUS OTHER THAN THE TULIP TREE HAZARDS. UM, THEY'RE DYING. THEY DON'T LOOK GOOD. SO THE SLOPE IS GONNA BE GRADED OUT TO THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THOSE CONTOURS. AND, UH, THAT WILL BE, UM, SEATED. UM, AND THE JU NASH WILL COVER THAT, AND THEN IT WILL NATURALLY GERMINATE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT DESIGN IS GOING TO STABILIZE THE SLOPE FROM THE OUTSET WHEN YOU REMOVE THOSE TREES? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN YES. THAT THOSE TREES ARE HOLDING A LOT OF THINGS TOGETHER. IT'S S THEY MAY NEED TO BE REMOVED, BUT THEY COULD ALSO, IT'S TIME SENSITIVE TOO. WE'D WANT TO DO IT AT THE RIGHT TIME OF THE YEAR. WE'RE NOT GONNA WANNA DO THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST, DO THAT MIDDLE OF THE SPRING OR THE MIDDLE OF FALL. MM-HMM . UM, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR BEST GERMINATION, UH, SUCCESS. OKAY. THE, UH, SEED MIX IS, IS PRODUCED BY A GROUP CALLED PINELANDS NURSERY. UM, THEY'RE ONE OF THE BIGGEST, BEST IN THE COUNTRY THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN, IN NEW JERSEY. UM, AND THEY'RE VERY WELL KNOWN FOR THEIR SUCCESS IN THESE NATIVE, UM, SOIL PLANTING AND STABILIZATION METHODS. OKAY. SO, AND THAT'S GONNA HANDLE THE POTENTIAL RUNOFF. ABSOLUTELY. UM, FOR THE VEGETATED SECTION AND THEN THE STAIRS. I KNOW WE WENT OVER THIS LAST TIME, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, I THINK, UM, YOU'RE GONNA, WHAT ARE, CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT THE MEASURES ARE FOR DEALING WITH WATER COMING DOWN THE STAIRS? WELL, WE ADDED PERMEABLE PAVERS IN, IN THOSE AREAS THERE WHERE YOU SEE, UH, THE HATCHING MM-HMM . UM, WHICH IS GONNA HELP IT. UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER HERE WHO CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL AND QUANTITY OF [00:15:01] WATER THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA ADD ANY MORE OR CONTRIBUTED ANYMORE TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OF THIS HILL. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT IN THE LETTER ABOUT IT, NOT IT, A LOT OF THE RUNOFF IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF BY THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK THE CONCERN IS JUST NOW WE HAVE STAIRS THAT COULD HAVE WATER RUNNING DOWN THEM. SO I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE PROJECT TEAM IS DESCRIBING HOW YOU'RE HANDLING THAT. I KNOW YOU HAVE MEASURES, BUT THE, AS FOR THE POINT OF ALL OF US, WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR EXPLANATIONS FOR HOW THAT, EXCUSE ME. SO, SO I CAN FINISH MY SENTENCE. OH, I'M SORRY. UM, WE JUST, WE WANNA MAKE SURE ALL OF US UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE THINGS ARE BEING HANDLED, BECAUSE THESE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT WE, WE NEED TO REVIEW AS PART OF OUR PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS. AND WE NEED TO ASSURE THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THAT WE'VE HAD THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND THEY'LL BE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS. SO, SO MAY I BRING THOMAS KAHANEY UP HERE, WHO IS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT, AND HE'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN THE OVERALL STORM WATER, UH, ISSUES? GOOD EVENING. UM, AGAIN, I'M THOMAS HANNEY WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING. THE PORTIONS, THE UPPER PORTIONS OF THE STAIRS HERE, UM, WILL, THE WATER WILL RUN OFF INTO THESE PERAL PAVER AREAS. UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SURFACE AND GET TREATED UNDERNEATH THE, UH, IN THE STONE STORAGE BENEATH. UM, THE LOWER PORTION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION OF THE SITE IN RELATION TO THE PARKING LOT. THERE'S NO FEASIBLE WAY TO CAPTURE THIS SMALL, UM, STAIR AREA. SO THAT WILL RUN OFF AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE RUNOFF IN THE PARKING LOT. IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IT IS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF WATER, UM, COMPARED TO WHAT THE PROJECT IS REMOVING FROM THE NO BUILD CONDITIONS. DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY HOW MUCH THE TWO PLATFORMS CAN ABSORB? LIKE WHAT'S THE RANGE INCHES PER HOUR RATING FOR THAT PARTICULAR PER PERME PA PERMEABLE PAVING STONE? SURE. SO THE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY GONNA COME DOWN TO THE STONE STORAGE BENEATH IT. MM-HMM . UM, USUALLY WE WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES. UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A NORMAL RAINFALL EVENT OF A FEW INCHES, SAY FIVE INCHES, UM, YOU'RE WELL WITHIN THAT STONE STORAGE AREA. OKAY. ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON DRAINAGE PLANTING, SOIL EROSION? UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT'S BEEN, UM, RESPONSIVE TO THIS BOARD'S FEEDBACK, UM, LAST MEETING. UM, I THINK IT'S A CREATIVE AND INTERACTIVE DESIGN. I, I KNOW THE APPLICANT ALSO ADDRESSED IN ITS SUBMISSIONS A COUPLE OTHER IDEAS THAT THIS BOARD PROPOSED, WHY THOSE IDEAS MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL. PRACTICAL. I THINK THOSE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, ARE REASONABLE. UM, SO I, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE SUBMISSION TONIGHT. YEAH, I'D CONCUR WITH DAVE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, WOULD ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY. UM, OH, AND PATRICK, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T ASK YOU IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS. TWO CLARIFICATIONS. SO WE KEEP REFERRING TO THOSE AS PLATFORMS. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT CONSTRUCTED PLATFORMS. IT'S LIKE A PATIO AT GRADE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE A TERRACE OR A STRUCTURE. IT'S A, IT'S A PATIO ON GRADE, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT. OKAY. JUST CLARIFICATION. AND THE OTHER TWO ISSUES, UM, RICHARD, THOSE DOGWOODS, UM, THE BENCHES BELOW THEM, I GET THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HILL, BUT ARE THOSE INTENDED TO BE SHADE BENCHES? WELL, IT'S FAKE. GOTTA COME UP WITH MICROPHONE. SORRY, . AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN IN THE RECORD. RICHARD WIGLEY IQ LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. UM, THE, UH, WE, WHAT WERE WE ADDRESSING HERE? WE'RE ADDRESSING AGAIN, THE BENCHES. YEAH. THE SH SHADING, THE BENCH SHADING. YEAH. SO, UM, THIS IS A NORTH FACING SLOPE. YEAH. UM, THE SELECTION OF THE PLANT MATERIAL, UH, IS, IS, UH, FLOWERING DOGWOOD, WHICH DOES VERY, VERY WELL IN THE SHADE. SO IT, IT WON'T BE ANY HINDRANCE ON THEIR GROWTH. UM, THEY'LL GET TO 30 FEET IN HEIGHT AT MATURITY. SO, UH, AND AND HOW LONG WOULD THAT, SO MY POINT BEING, AM I GONNA SIT ON A SUNNY BENCH AND IT'S GONNA BE UNCOMFORTABLE? WELL, YOU'RE NEVER REALLY GONNA SIT ON A SUNNY BENCH. IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE NORTH, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, [00:20:01] THEY'RE AS GROWING AND IT REALLY IS GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT CALIPER WE PLANT THEM AT. SO YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST A, A LARGER CALIPER PROBABLY MAKES SENSE IF THE SLOPE CAN SUPPORT THAT. JUST SO THE SHADE, I MEAN, THE BOTTOM BENCH IS IN A SEA OF ASPHALT DOWN THERE. IT MIGHT NOT BE COMFORTABLE IN AUGUST. SO THE MORE POTENTIAL FOR SHADE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON ANOTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE HILL. YES, UNDERSTOOD. IS HELPFUL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO, UM, RICHARD, YOU MISSED THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THANK YOU FOR COMING. I KNOW YOU HAD A MEETING, UM, THAT HELD YOU UP, BUT, UM, WE'RE JUST TOWARDS THE END OF DISCUSSING THE CHANGES ON THIS PROJECT. AND, UH, I, WHAT I WANNA DO IS ASK, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS ANSWERED. SO, UM, IS THE, ARE BOARD MEMBERS COMFORTABLE WITH US, UM, REFERRING THIS BACK OVER TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES? THEY HAVE TO APPROVE, UH, A RESOLUTION, UM, SINCE IT'S VILLAGE OWNED PROPERTY, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, THIS PART OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN, UM, HAVE PATRICK WRITE UP, UM, THE TERMS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING ON THE RESOLUTION. SO, UM, IS EVERYONE, SHOULD WE MAKE IT A, A CONDITION UPON RESOLUTION ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE DIAMETER OF THE TREES? YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER OF CONDI. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO, THIS PROJECT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONDITIONS DISCUSSED. SO INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY VOTING TONIGHT, UM, I THINK WHAT THE CHAIR WAS SAY SUGGESTING WAS THAT, UM, PAT PREPARE A RESOLUTION THAT WE'LL LIST ALL THESE CONDITIONS INCLUDING, UM, SOME MORE DETAIL FOR THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THE SIZE OF THE TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS WE STARTED GOING THROUGH THEM TODAY. UM, SO THAT, SO WHAT I WILL SAY, THE APPLICANT'S BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE IN PUTTING A LOT OF THAT MATERIAL RIGHT ON THE PLANS DON'T NEED THE CONDITIONS IF THEY'RE ON THE PLAN. SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US THROUGHOUT MM-HMM . SO JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND FOR PROCEDURAL PURPOSES, SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS THAT, IS THAT A CONDITIONAL FINAL OR IS THAT A CONDITIONAL RESOLUTION? WE GO BACK TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO DEAL WITH THE EASEMENT AND THE VILLAGE LAND AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR A PROPOSED FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL. CORRECT. OKAY. RIGHT. SO THIS, THE APPROVAL OF THIS BOARD IS FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THAT SITE PLAN IS CONTINGENT UPON A BOARD OF TRUSTEES GIVING A, GIVING YOU PERMISSION TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, RIGHT. SO GO GET THAT AND THE APPROVAL, THE RESOLUTION POTENTIALLY GETS ADOPTED AT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. SO DO WE NEED TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH FOR THE RESOLUTION AND THEN AFTER THAT GO TO THE TRUSTEES? OR CAN WE START THE PROCESS? YOU, YOU CAN START THE PROCESS WITH THE TRUSTEES RIGHT. BETWEEN NOW AND THAT MEETING. OKAY, GREAT. AND AT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING, YOU DON'T NEED TO BRING THE TEAM, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION. OH NO, THEY'LL BE HERE. I'LL BE HERE. . . WELL, DO YOU HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN HANG OUT WITH US, ? NO, I'D LOVE TO BE HERE. MEANTIME, DO WE WANNA ASK THEM TO GIVE US JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THIS IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE TREES THAT INFORMATION ON THE, UM, DRAINAGE UNDERNEATH THE, THAT PLATFORM AREA AND, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I CAN'T, AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE PROVIDED LIKE A CONSTRUCTION PLAN. I KNOW IT WAS DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SEQUENCING. YEAH, THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY, FOR CONSTRUCTION ON THIS, IF YOU COULD GIVE US THAT SO IT CAN BE INCORPORATED IN, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M FINE. I THINK WITH THE FIRST TWO, MY CONCERN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN IS IT MIGHT REQUIRE THE TRUSTEE'S INPUT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS WITH THE TRUSTEE IF YOU ADD IT AS A CONDITION ADDRESS WITH THE TRUSTEES AND THEN COME BACK TO THAT? SO J OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE REFERENCE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE CAN ESTABLISH A CONDITION THAT YOU PROVIDE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, FOR EXAMPLE. YES. THIS BOARD LIKES TO KNOW ABOUT THAT STUFF. AND IN THIS CASE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT A BIG TREE THAT MIGHT NEED, IF IT'S TOO BIG, IT WILL FALL DOWN THE SLOPE. SO THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE OF CONCERN. SO IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, BUT IT, IT WOULDN'T DELAY YOUR PROJECT NECESSARILY. WE COULD DO THE OTHER WRITING AHEAD OF THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. THE SEQUENCING THAT WE WERE REFERRING TO WAS WHAT WAS JUST TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE TREES COMING DOWN AND STABILIZING THE SLOPE AND THE TIME RESTRICTION ON THE TIME OF YEAR. RIGHT. THAT TYPE OF, AND THERE WAS ALSO CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING ALSO. THERE WAS ALSO, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE TULIP TREE THAT WILL BE, UM, PRESERVED THAT IT, THERE, THERE ARE MEASURES TAKEN TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT ISN'T DAMAGED BY THE CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'D WANT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION AS WELL. SURE. YEAH. AND THE ONLY THING, THOMAS, THAT'S A LITTLE TRICKY IS THAT AS OPPOSED TO A NORMAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, IT'S ON YOUR SITE AND IT'S ALL YOU, IT'S, THIS IS ON SOME VILLAGE PROPERTY, SO THE WAY YOU FUSS [00:25:01] AROUND ON OUR PROPERTY, WE CARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO KNOW ABOUT THAT AHEAD OF TIME. SURE, HAPPY TO. OKAY, THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME, . ALRIGHT, SO, UM, NEXT WE HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN THE APPLICATION OF MEYER PROPERTIES. ONE NORTH STREET LLC FOR INTERIOR ALTERATIONS TO AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING, INCLUDING CONVERTING THE EXISTING FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR OFFICES INTO FOUR DWELLING UNITS AND THE BASEMENT OFFICES INTO COMMERCIAL SPACE AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT LOCATED AT ONE NORTH STREET. SAID PROPERTY IS IN THE MRC ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS SBL 4.30 DASH 21 DASH ONE ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS. AGAIN, WE DISCUSSED THIS MATTER LAST MONTH AND THE APPLICANT HAD A FEW THINGS TO ADDRESS. UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT THE REVISIONS, UM, THAT YOU'VE MADE FOR THE APPLICANT PRESENTS? I JUST WANNA LET YOU, THE BOARD KNOW THAT THEY HAD COME TO THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD THIS PAST MONDAY NIGHT. THEY MADE OUT, THEY, THEY HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION. A LOT OF, A LOT OF DETAILS WERE DISCUSSED AND THEY WILL BE PRESENTING BACK TO THEM NEXT MONTH WITH, UH, WITH A FEW CHANGES AND SOME MORE DETAILS. BUT THEY, THEY HAD A VERY POSITIVE MEETING WITH THE A RP. THANK YOU. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. UH, JIM GIBBONS WITH GIBBONS ENGINEERING, UH, COMING BACK BEFORE, UH, THE BOARD TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOW UP FROM THE ARCHITECT'S REVIEW BOARD AND THE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD DISCUSSION. UM, SO WHAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER, UM, IS BASICALLY A COMBINED PLAN SHOWING SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, UH, CONCERNS. UM, WE HAVE WORK TO DO, WE JUST MET WITH THE A RB ON MONDAY. UH, WE PLAN ON RESUBMITTING EARLY NEXT WEEK SO I CAN SHARE SOME CONCEPTS AND SOME OF THE, THE BREADTH. BUT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO MAKING THIS PROJECT LOOK, UH, AS, AS BEAUTIFUL AS POSSIBLE FOR THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN THE ZONE. UM, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE INTERRUPT ME. OTHERWISE I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE PROCESS AND THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. PLEASE DO. SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING SITE PLAN UP HERE. UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL NONCONFORMING PARKING. AND WHAT WE DID IN THE PROPOSED, WE WIDENED THE SPACES, UH, WE FOLLOWED WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THE, UH, OFFICE SPACE IN THE BASEMENT VERSUS A RETAIL SPACE. AND WE'VE OPENED UP THOSE SPACES TO, UH, NINE FEET WIDE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFORMING. BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, THE BOARD AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE CONSULTANTS TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE PARKING, UH, SITUATION AS POSSIBLY A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING SITUATION. UH, SO TO THAT END, WE HAVEN'T MOVED ON ANY VARIANCES BECAUSE WE, WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE OPINION OF THE, UH, THE VILLAGE IS ON THAT. UM, SO THIS IS A REDUCED PARKING PLANT. WE HAD, UM, QUITE A FEW SPACES AND I BELIEVE WE REDUCED EVERYTHING BY NINE AND, UH, ADDED AN A DA SPOT OVER HERE. UH, CREATED THE BEST PLAN WE COULD WITH THIS, UH, SITUATION AND, UH, AND PROVIDED THAT, UH, SO THAT'S OUR, OUR PROPOSED, UM, PARKING PLAN. UM, IN ADDITION TO THIS, THIS, UH, MODIFICATION, WE, WE PUT SOME, UH, NEW TREES OVER HERE INSTEAD OF A FENCE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, SHADING. SO THERE PROPOSED TO BE FOUR FOOT, UH, ARIDES. AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, JUST A VERY, UH, SOLID PANEL, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, UH, FOR THE BOARD. UM, OVER HERE WE'VE DONE SOME PAVING. UH, WE'RE GONNA MODIFY THIS TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, MAKE THAT STRAIGHTER, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE A RB MEETING. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA RECONSTRUCT THE STAIRS, UH, PUT SOME PAVERS AND, UH, CLEAN UP THE STAIRS AND THE PLATFORM. AND WITH THE RESULTS OF THE A RB MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A, UH, UH, A CANY OVER THAT WITH SOME COLUMNS. UH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO TO SOME ELEVATIONS FOR THE BOARD. UM, BUT THIS IS THE LAST ELEVATION DISCUSSED WITH THE, THE A RB, UH, SUGGESTIONS CAME THAT WE WOULD SHOW THIS NOT SO MUCH AS A CANTILEVER, BUT JUST BRING IT DOWN AND, AND DEVELOP THIS MASSING, UH, WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND TO OPEN UP THE CANOPY, PUT SOME COLUMNS AND GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE [00:30:01] SUBSTANCE FOR, UH, FOR THE BUILDING. UM, I GUESS THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS IN THE FRONT. THESE ARE BRAND NEW, UH, PROPOSED UNITS. THEY'LL HAVE, UH, SPECIFIED GRILLS. THE A RB ASKED US TO REALLY DIG INTO THE, UH, WHAT TYPE OF GRILLS, THE COLOR. SO WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT A A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE. THIS IS A, UH, DEPICTION OF THE ARBOR RIGHTIES OVER AT THE, UH, NORTH END BY THE PARKING SPACE. UM, WE DID SAY FOUR. THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR HERE, BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPACING A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. UM, THIS IS AN ELEVATION LOOKING FROM THE, THE RIVER SIDE, WHICH IS OUR, UH, WEST SIDE, LOOKING AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND THEN THE, UM, THE BRAND NEW, UH, STAIRS, WR IRON RAIL SYSTEM. AND AGAIN, UH, A RB SUGGESTION WAS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT A CANOPY WITH, UH, SOME COLUMNS THERE. SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. UM, THIS WAS JUST A, UH, AN ADD IN, UH, OF WHAT A COMPRESSOR, UH, WHERE THE LOCATION COULD BE. BUT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE A RB. AND THEN IN THE REAR ELEVATION, UM, WE'RE REMOVING, UH, BATHROOM WINDOWS AND WE'RE DEVELOPING WHAT THESE PANELS WILL REALLY LOOK LIKE. SO WE'RE GONNA DETAIL THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE, PROVIDE SOME COLORS AND, AND GET BACK TO THE A RB AND, AND ALSO TO THIS BOARD. UM, HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF WHAT WE, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE. AND THEN, UM, UH, RICHARD, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING. SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND WE REALIZED THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SYMMETRY IN THE PLANTINGS. THERE'S A, NOT, NOT A LOT OF, UH, OF, UH, INTEREST IN THE, THE PLANTINGS RIGHT NOW. IT'S, IT'S VERY MESSY. SO, UM, WE PUT SOME NOTES THAT WE'RE GONNA CLEAN UP, BUT WE WE'RE GOING FOR SYMMETRY, WE'RE GOING FOR SPECIFIC PLANTING LOCATIONS AS PER THIS, UH, SCHEDULE AND, AND TO, UH, CLEAN IT UP AND REMOVE, OF COURSE, A, UH, A SIGN HERE THAT WAS USED FOR THE COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENTS OF THE PROPERTY. BUT NOW IT'S A, UH, A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WITH ONE, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, RENTER IN THE BASEMENT. SO THAT'S OUR INTENTION WITH THE LANDSCAPE. AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO, UH, TO THE LIGHTING, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY REAL WASHING OF THE, THE LIGHTS OVER INTO WARBURTON. THERE'S TWO EXISTING LIGHTS HERE AND HERE. THEY'RE GETTING REMOVED. THERE'S A, UH, STREET LIGHT OVER HERE THAT PROVIDES MORE THAN ENOUGH LIGHT FOR THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UM, WITH THE CANOPY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LIGHT, UM, JUST POINTING DOWN ONTO THE PLATFORM AND THEN A LIGHT AT THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, AND THEN TWO LIGHTS ON THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PHOTOMETRICS, WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING ANY LIGHTING LEVELS THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE HASTINGS CODE. UM, THAT'S A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT WE, WE HAVE AND, UH, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, LOVE TO HEAR 'EM. AND IF YOU WANT ME TO REFER TO ANY PAGE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU. THANKS. I THINK THIS TIME I'LL START WITH PATRICK IF YOU WANT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. UM, JUST, UM, A BRIEF QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THE, THE HVAC EQUIPMENT ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON, ON THE WEST SIDE. YEAH. RIGHT. THAT ENCROACHES INTO THE TRAVEL AISLE. UM, AND YOU HAVE A DIMENSION ON THAT. SO YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY COMMITTING TO A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT YOU MAY NOT HAVE ORDERED OR SPECIFIED YET. SO JUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. IF, IF, IF, IF IT'S ON THE PLAN, THAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE. AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT 13 FEET, WHICH IS ADEQUATE. BUT IF THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS SIX FEET TALL LONGER, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM ON THAT OUTBOUND TRAFFIC AISLE. SO BE AWARE YOU'RE COMMITTING TO THAT BY SHOWING IT ON THE SITE PLAN. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR ME TO SHOW THE BOARD EXACTLY THE DIMENSIONS AND, BUT MY POINT IS YOU'RE BEING HELD TO THAT. YEAH. WHAT WE SHOW HERE, MAKE SURE YOU SHOW 'EM YOU COULD DO IT. YEAH, WE'LL TAKE CARE. THAT'S ADDRESS THAT A RB, THAT UNIT'S GONNA BE MOVED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. OH GOOD. YEAH, WE WE'RE VERY UNHAPPY WITH IT ON THE WEST SIDE. YEAH. SO THEY, THEY ARE. AND THE DESIGN TEAM IS, HAS AGREED THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. GREAT. AND I HAVE NO OTHER REAL ISSUES WITH THIS. THE SITE IS THE SITE, BUT THE ONE OTHER POINT, JIM, IS THE, THE, IT'S UNCONVENTIONAL TO HAVE ANGLED SPACES AND THEN 90 DEGREE SPACES. YES. I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T WORK, BUT IT'S UNCONVENTIONAL. SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE WITH RESPECT TO THAT, BUT, UM, YEAH. UM, I JUST POINTED OUT, I, I UNDERSTAND MR. CLEARY. [00:35:01] SO I SPOKE AT LENGTH WITH MY CLIENT. I THINK THE EASE OF, OF COMING OUT OF THE, THE, UH, PARKING LOT IN THE BACK. I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR SPACES THAT ARE PRETTY EASY TO JUST DRIVE OUT AND NOT HAVE TOO MUCH, UM, TROUBLE. SO THESE TWO SPACES CAN COME OUT EASILY. RIGHT. AND PUT IN YOUR PROPOSED PLAN. I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE. YES. THAT WOULD BE SO THAT'S, SO THESE TWO WOULD COME OUT EASILY. YEAH. UH, ASSUMING THEY BACK IN AND THESE TWO AND THEN THESE, THESE OTHERS WOULD, YEAH, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T WORK. IT'S JUST A LITTLE WEIRD. AND A GUY IN THE ANGLE SPOT MIGHT DENT THE GUY'S BUMPER, YOU KNOW, OR THE SIDE OF THE CAR THAT'S IN THERE AT THE 90 DEGREE SPACE. SO, YEAH. SO WITH THE, ORDINARILY WHEN YOU'D SEE THAT IN A PARKING LOT, THERE'D BE CURBS OR SOME SEPARATION. THIS IS PROBABLY JUST PAINT, UM, TO SEPARATE IT. SO AGAIN, I'M, IT PAINT SEPARATION, NINE FOOT, UH, WIDTH. BUT WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT. I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S, IT'S A BALLARD YOU'D PUT THERE OR SOMETHING TO JUST MAKE SURE THE EDGE OF THAT SPACE DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE, THE 90 DEGREE SPACE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? YEAH, RICHARD? UH, CAN YOU GO TO THE LANDSCAPING PLANT PLEASE? SURE. WELL ACTUALLY STAY ON THAT, UH, FOR A SECOND. UM, GO BACK TO THE PARKING. OH, TOO FAST. . WELL, COMPUTER FAST FINGER. . ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE IT BACK. SO HERE'S OUR PROPOSED PARKING, RIGHT? SO THE, THE, THE EXISTING CURB CUT IS, IS GREATER THAN YOU, YOU NEED. DID YOU REDUCE THE CURB CUT, UH, IN THIS PLANT? CAN WE REDUCE THE CURB CUT HERE? UM, WE DID NOT REDUCE IT HERE. 'CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF WELL ESTABLISHED. IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. UH, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, BUT THIS IS THE ONE WE, WE WORKED ON. I THINK THE MESSAGE FROM LAST, UH, MEETING WAS THIS, THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON. SO WE TOOK A BETTER LOOK AT THAT. RICHARD'S RIGHT ON THAT. SO IF I'M COMING IN WALL BURTON THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE PARKING SPACE AND THE WIDTH OF THE, OF THE CURB GUT. YEAH. IT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO NARROW THAT. WELL ALSO, THIS IS THE, THE ENTRANCE OF OUR DOWNTOWN. UM, SO AS I COME IN FROM BROADWAY AND MAKE THE RIGHT ON MORE BURTON, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN OVERLY WIDE CURB CUT, UH, ONE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, IT'S ALSO SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS. UM, MY SECOND QUESTION IS THAT HATCHING THAT'S, UH, BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET? THAT, WHAT IS THAT? I THINK THOSE ARE, UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE PAVERS. I DON'T THINK IT'S GRASS. IT'S EXISTING. UH, IF THEY'RE EXISTING, YOU REALLY SHOULD REVISIT IT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S REALLY UNATTRACTIVE. THE TOWN PUT THOSE IN THERE, THEIR PAVERS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A RIGHT OF ONE, BUT THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY UNATTRACTIVE. AND, UH, I KNOW THEY WERE PUT IN BY THE VILLAGE PROBABLY DURING, YOU KNOW, THE, WHEN ALL THE, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY THEY PUT IN THE SAME TYPE OF PAVERS. SO IT DATES THAT AREA, BUT IT'S REALLY UNATTRACTIVE AND IT'S NOT WELL MAINTAINED. UH, REMOVING THEM AND JUST MAKING A STRIP OF GRASS, UH, WOULD BE NICER GRASS OR SOMETHING. BUT RIGHT NOW ABOUT NEW PAVERS. NEW PAVERS, YOU GOTTA TALK TO THE MICROPHONE. YOU CAN'T TAKE. BUT I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WALK DOWN THERE TONIGHT OR SOME OTHER NIGHT. IT JUST, IT'S NOT AN, AN INVITING ENTRANCE TO HASTINGS. IT'S A COUNTY ROAD COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY. SO THEY'D HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING IN IT. SO CAN I ALSO GIVE YOU THE HISTORY OF WHY IT'S FUNKY LIKE THAT? OKAY. MM-HMM . SO ONCE UPON A TIME, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, UM, THE WHOLE CONFIGURATION IN THAT AREA WAS DIFFERENT. UM, WARBURTON CAME STRAIGHT WHERE WAGNER PARK IS NOW WAS ACTUALLY THE ROAD AND THERE WAS AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE AND IT CAME UP AND DID THIS AND THIS, I KNOW I'M NOT REALLY EXPLAINING IT WELL, , BUT, UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT WHOLE AREA IS KIND OF ODD. THE WAY THE RIGHT OF WAY IS SORT OF AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINES, BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE ROAD USED TO BE. MM-HMM . SO WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT, WAR BURTON CAME STRAIGHT DOWN. WIL NOW CURVES TO THE RIGHT. IT WAS JUST A YOU DON'T REMEMBER THAT, DO YOU? NO, I SAW, I STILL DRAWING. I SAW A DRAWING NOTE THOUGH. IT WENT STRAIGHT. YEAH. AND [00:40:01] FULLY WAGNER PARK IS WHERE THEY HAD LIKE A LITTLE, THAT LITTLE ISLAND THING GOING ON. FULLY UNDERSTAND. IT JUST, IT'S NOT WELL MAINTAINED. IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE. IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO OUR DOWNTOWN. PLEASE DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I'LL LOOK OKAY. IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN YOU THOUGHT. IT'S NOT PAVERS, IT'S JUST BLACKTOP. IT'S JUST LITTLE STRIP OF AS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BLACKTOP. IT'S NOT EVEN THE ANTIQUATED BRICK PAVERS, IT'S JUST A PIECE OF ASPHALT. AGAIN, I I I JUST KNOW IT'S UNATTRACTIVE AND I THINK THAT IT'S, IF WE'RE DOING A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, IT'S AN ENTRANCE OR, OR DOWNTOWN, IT COULD JUST BE A TOUCH. NICER . I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. NO WORRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SOUNDS GOOD. . UM, AND JUST ON A SIMILAR NOTE, UH, JUST A COMMENT FOR CONSIDERATION THAT PLANTING AREA, THE LARGER PLANTING AREA, I GUESS TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AREA IT LOOKS LIKE. AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THERE REALLY SPECIAL. AND YOU KNOW, AS RICHARD SAID, IT'S A GATEWAY TO OUR VILLAGE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE PLANTINGS THAT MAYBE WE DON'T SEE ELSEWHERE OR OF COURSE THAT ARE NATIVE OR A WATER FEATURE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT REALLY, UM, DRAWS THE EYE, YOU KNOW, TO THE PROPERTY. SO, WHICH, UH, SPECIFIC AREA DATA, I GUESS IT'S THE EAST SIDE, NOT CLOSER TO THE RIVER, BUT THE LARGER CURVE PLANTING AREA, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT IN THE, THE SIDE SIDELINE FOR, FOR DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS COMING BOTH WAYS. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AREA JUST FOR CONSIDERATION. I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE PROPERTY REALLY SPECIAL AND AND REALLY WANT IT TO BE A WATER FEATURE OR YEAH, IT COULD BE A FOUNTAIN. I MEAN, IT COULD, IT COULD BE INTERESTING PLANTING, IT COULD BE LOTS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S A NICE CANVAS THERE TO WORK WITH AND, AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL. I THINK. AND I, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, DAVE. SAME. ALRIGHT. STATUE OF PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THERE. MAYBE , WE DON'T MIND. MAYBE A FLOWERING TREE OR SOMETHING TO CREATE SOME FLOWERING TREE SHADE. YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS AND SOUNDS GOOD. PRESENT THEM. GREAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? WHAT ABOUT IN THE AUDIENCE? DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANNA SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? UH, IN THE BACK . OKAY. UM, GREAT. SO, UM, I THINK WE STILL HAVE THE QUESTION, UM, CHARLES, ABOUT VARIANCES WHETHER THEY'RE REQUIRED. ARE YOU STILL WORKING ON I'M WORKING ON IT WITH OUR, OUR ATTORNEY AND OUR PLANNER. YEAH. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO, UM, IN THAT CASE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT READY TO REFER THIS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT RIGHT. THEY NEED TO REQUEST YET. SO, AND I WOULD POINT OUT MADAM CHAIRMAN, THAT UM, THE HAN MEMO FROM LAST MONTH HAD SOME FAIRLY MINOR TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT IT ALSO HAD A CAVEAT THAT SAID WE HAVEN'T FINISHED OUR REVIEW, SO WE NEED TO HEAR FROM DOUG OKAY. BEFORE YOU TAKE ANY FINAL ACTION ON THIS. OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT. I'LL SPEAK WITH HAN UH, TOMORROW. I'LL GIVE HIM A CALL AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY, GREAT. SO, UM, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING OPEN TO, THANK YOU MADAM EXPLORING THANK MEMBERS OF THE BOARD COUNCIL PLANNERS, BUILDING INSPECTORS. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. YOU GOT EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. ALRIGHT, SO WE [V.DISCUSSION ITEMS ] HAVE ONE, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM TONIGHT, WHICH IS TWO 90 DAY EXTENSIONS OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUBDIVISION. THE APPLICATION OF MORGAN FLESIG AND MARGARET LAVENDER FOR THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT AT THEIR PROPERTIES AT 1 0 1 AND ONE 11 SCENIC DRIVE. SAID PROPERTIES ARE IN THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT AND IS KNOWN AS 4.20 DASH 15 DASH THREE AND 4.20 DASH 15 DASH FOUR L THREE ON THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TAX MAPS. AND WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PROVIDE US WITH AN UPDATE? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. UM, I DID RECEIVE THE SURVEY THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, SHORTLY AFTER OUR LAST MEETING AND THEN IT'S JUST TAKEN ME SOME TIME TO, TO GATHER UP THE COMMENTS FROM THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES THAT IMPACT THIS. UM, I AM HOPEFUL AND, UH, FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS THE LAST TIME I NEED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU AND ASK . I HOPE FOR YOUR SAKE . YES. OKAY. UM, WELL WITH THAT, UM, DO ANY PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS REQUEST? NOPE. NO. OKAY. UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO GRANT TWO 90 DAY, UM, EXTENSIONS OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL? SO MOVED SECOND. THAT'S IT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PAGE. BETTER BE AT FLEISIG . YOU'RE ON NOTICE, SO, UM, RIGHT. UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE NO OTHER MATTERS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. IT'S [00:45:01] LIKE FEAST OR FAM FAMINE AROUND HERE. . WHY DOESN'T IT GET LIKE MORE EQUALLY DIVIDED? I KNOW. 30 MINUTES OR FOUR HOURS. THOSE ARE OUR TIMES. SO, UM, JUST, YEAH, JUST UH, AS A REMINDER, EVERYONE THERE, OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON OCTOBER 15TH. UM, AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND, RICHARD. ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. THAT WAS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.